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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:05 PM

Will Mahone 


Wish this kid luck. He's getting off pretty easy and I hope this experience scares him straight!

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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:16 PM

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WOW!  Congrats to Will!  Like you said, hopefully this is sufficient punishment to deter similar behavior in the future.


   

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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:50 PM

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Yeah, I was hoping for a result like that. Now for the controversial part ... does Kelly take him back?

I vote he does, if this really is first offense. Carlo and Tommy got to come back after they had felony charges and got them knocked down to misdemeanors. I dont' think Mahone not being on top of the depth chart should really play into the decision.

I had to offer my opinion here on this board, because I'm pretty sure BK isn't going to call me up and ask for it!biggrin
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:00 PM

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chinadude wrote: Yeah, I was hoping for a result like that. Now for the controversial part ... does Kelly take him back?

I vote he does, if this really is first offense. Carlo and Tommy got to come back after they had felony charges and got them knocked down to misdemeanors. I dont' think Mahone not being on top of the depth chart should really play into the decision.

I had to offer my opinion here on this board, because I'm pretty sure BK isn't going to call me up and ask for it!biggrin
It's possible he'll let him come back to finish his degree, but I doubt he'll play football at Notre Dame again. Maybe on the practice squad or something.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:22 AM

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Nobody  ever should be guaranteed playing time. And if you mess up like he did, you  should expect consequences. (I was in favor of Floyd sitting for at least a game or two.)  So if he doesn't  ever play again, that would be OK with me. He might not ever have played anyway! With the injuries and all, he wasn't exactly top of the depth chart. Dude will need his degree if he wants to turn his ship around, and he should be very happy if BK says, "OK, you can come back, but you're starting on the show team,and you will have some proving to do in order to get back on the field on Saturdays."

amruther24 wrote:
chinadude wrote: Yeah, I was hoping for a result like that. Now for the controversial part ... does Kelly take him back?

I vote he does, if this really is first offense. Carlo and Tommy got to come back after they had felony charges and got them knocked down to misdemeanors. I dont' think Mahone not being on top of the depth chart should really play into the decision.

I had to offer my opinion here on this board, because I'm pretty sure BK isn't going to call me up and ask for it!biggrin
It's possible he'll let him come back to finish his degree, but I doubt he'll play football at Notre Dame again. Maybe on the practice squad or something.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:46 AM

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Would he need to jump through hoops with res life to get back into school. Frankly I'd like to see this kid back not because of football but because I think being at notre dame might be good for him in the long run. Even if he doesn't play a down again, after this event, getting his degree and being around the nd community may turn his life around.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 8:19 AM

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It's the catholic thing to do.


sen75 wrote: Would he need to jump through hoops with res life to get back into school. Frankly I'd like to see this kid back not because of football but because I think being at notre dame might be good for him in the long run. Even if he doesn't play a down again, after this event, getting his degree and being around the nd community may turn his life around.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:16 AM

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You're assuming that he is willing to give up football. I bet he ends up at Cincy or some MAC school in Ohio.
sen75 wrote: Would he need to jump through hoops with res life to get back into school. Frankly I'd like to see this kid back not because of football but because I think being at notre dame might be good for him in the long run. Even if he doesn't play a down again, after this event, getting his degree and being around the nd community may turn his life around.
 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:54 AM

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IrishfromA2 wrote: You're assuming that he is willing to give up football. I bet he ends up at Cincy or some MAC school in Ohio.
sen75 wrote: Would he need to jump through hoops with res life to get back into school. Frankly I'd like to see this kid back not because of football but because I think being at notre dame might be good for him in the long run. Even if he doesn't play a down again, after this event, getting his degree and being around the nd community may turn his life around.
I think so too. That's kind of what I was alluding to. I think it's possible he comes back to ND to finish his degree and then 5th year transfers to a school where he will play in 2015.

He'd essentially do what he was likely to do anyway except he won't be a part of the team this season.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:29 PM

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He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:08 PM

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Sad, but this is the reality. It really is dependent on how good of a player you are and not the transgression. 
somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:22 PM

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Well hey, if you're not on the depth chart you should have to earn your right to compete for it. It's not unfair, it's life. But ND is going to do what's right for the situation and there are details none of us understand about this case so I will let it be.


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Sad, but this is the reality. It really is dependent on how good of a player you are and not the transgression. 
somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.


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Posted: 7/25/2014 4:46 PM

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If your criteria is used, ND could jettison players at the bottom of the depth chart on a yearly basis.

Player A -Bottom of the depth chart, maintains grades, no law trouble...
Then ND could be compared to (GASP...) the SEC teams that are accused of forcing bottom depth chart players off their teams.

somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:19 PM

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No, reread my post. Two strikes, so an under performing player is safe as long as they don't 1. break the law 2. flunk out.


C5hydro wrote: If your criteria is used, ND could jettison players at the bottom of the depth chart on a yearly basis.

Player A -Bottom of the depth chart, maintains grades, no law trouble...
Then ND could be compared to (GASP...) the SEC teams that are accused of forcing bottom depth chart players off their teams.

somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.

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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:26 PM

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I think he should be let back in school with mandatory counseling, no football activity for the season. If he  stays out of trouble, keeps his GPA up ect, and obviously continues counseling, BK should REVISIT THE IDEA of letting him back on in 2015. I would be ok with that. But really the most important thing at this time is the welfare of Will Mahone as a person. Nevermind football at this point.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:47 PM

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At the time, it was reported that Will was throwing around racial insults to the police as part of his out of control behavior. Classy. Is diversity sensitivity training part of any chance of a return to school? If not, it should be. I went to a diversity indoctrination at ND a few months ago and apparently ND has zero tolerance for this type of behavior. Apparently.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:08 AM

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Yes, but in Mahone's case it would be Kelly giving him his scholarship for this year only. He is not guaranteed his 5th year at ND, he would have to get in to grad school and then re-apply, so that gives Kelly an easy out to not give him his 5th. I believe we are under the scholarship quota for this fall, right? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. But, if we are under, why not give the kid his scholarship and let him get his degree? It's not like it's coming out of Kelly's pocket.


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No, reread my post. Two strikes, so an under performing player is safe as long as they don't 1. break the law 2. flunk out.


C5hydro wrote: If your criteria is used, ND could jettison players at the bottom of the depth chart on a yearly basis.

Player A -Bottom of the depth chart, maintains grades, no law trouble...
Then ND could be compared to (GASP...) the SEC teams that are accused of forcing bottom depth chart players off their teams.

somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.


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Posted: 7/26/2014 11:14 AM

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WM was a 2012 recruit, so he has a min 2 years of eligibility remaining. His 5th year would not take place until 2016. So he would be taking a spot from either a class of 2011 5th year senior or an incoming 2015 freshmen.
BlueGold419 wrote: Yes, but in Mahone's case it would be Kelly giving him his scholarship for this year only. He is not guaranteed his 5th year at ND, he would have to get in to grad school and then re-apply, so that gives Kelly an easy out to not give him his 5th. I believe we are under the scholarship quota for this fall, right? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. But, if we are under, why not give the kid his scholarship and let him get his degree? It's not like it's coming out of Kelly's pocket.


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No, reread my post. Two strikes, so an under performing player is safe as long as they don't 1. break the law 2. flunk out.


C5hydro wrote: If your criteria is used, ND could jettison players at the bottom of the depth chart on a yearly basis.

Player A -Bottom of the depth chart, maintains grades, no law trouble...
Then ND could be compared to (GASP...) the SEC teams that are accused of forcing bottom depth chart players off their teams.

somedude1981 wrote: He should not return to the team and here's why.

ND does not cut athletic scholarships due to player performance, however players are expected to maintain decent grades (remain eligible) and stay out of trouble with the law. IMO, when a player fails to accomplish one of these tasks, Coach Kelly should have every right to decide if he wants to allow the player to stay with the team, and he should be allowed to make that decision based on the players athletic performance. Think of it as two out of three strikes and you're out, with athletic performance being the third factor. Let's look at previous player incidents.

Mike Floyd-Elite talent, maintained grades, broke the law
Reese-Returning starter, maintained grades, broke the law
Calabrese-1st or 2nd on depth chart at position, maintained grades, broke the law
Golson-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades
Daniels-Returning starter, never in trouble with the law, did not maintain good grades

All players returned and they should have, because they all out performed others at their positions. In WM's case, he's underperformed athletically (bottom of depth chart) AND he was arrested, therefore two strikes. If he's allowed to return to the team he hogs up a scholarship for two more seasons, particularly over either a more deserving 2015 incoming freshmen or a 5th year from the 2011 class. However, WM should be allowed back into ND as a student and that should be his decision.


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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:21 PM

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But when Tommy and Carlo both had felonies lowered to misdemeanors they didnt sit out for a single game and I believe both started.  Not arguing, just saying.
chinadude wrote: Nobody  ever should be guaranteed playing time. And if you mess up like he did, you  should expect consequences. (I was in favor of Floyd sitting for at least a game or two.)  So if he doesn't  ever play again, that would be OK with me. He might not ever have played anyway! With the injuries and all, he wasn't exactly top of the depth chart. Dude will need his degree if he wants to turn his ship around, and he should be very happy if BK says, "OK, you can come back, but you're starting on the show team,and you will have some proving to do in order to get back on the field on Saturdays."

amruther24 wrote:
chinadude wrote: Yeah, I was hoping for a result like that. Now for the controversial part ... does Kelly take him back?

I vote he does, if this really is first offense. Carlo and Tommy got to come back after they had felony charges and got them knocked down to misdemeanors. I dont' think Mahone not being on top of the depth chart should really play into the decision.

I had to offer my opinion here on this board, because I'm pretty sure BK isn't going to call me up and ask for it!biggrin
It's possible he'll let him come back to finish his degree, but I doubt he'll play football at Notre Dame again. Maybe on the practice squad or something.

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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:22 PM

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amruther24 wrote:
IrishfromA2 wrote: You're assuming that he is willing to give up football. I bet he ends up at Cincy or some MAC school in Ohio.
sen75 wrote: Would he need to jump through hoops with res life to get back into school. Frankly I'd like to see this kid back not because of football but because I think being at notre dame might be good for him in the long run. Even if he doesn't play a down again, after this event, getting his degree and being around the nd community may turn his life around.
I think so too. That's kind of what I was alluding to. I think it's possible he comes back to ND to finish his degree and then 5th year transfers to a school where he will play in 2015.

He'd essentially do what he was likely to do anyway except he won't be a part of the team this season.
This makes the most sense and seems the most likely to me.

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