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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:12 AM

Nice summation of ND's June recruiting 



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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:33 AM

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I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.
 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:46 AM

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Mediocre has  been due to one thing.

No QB. 

the year we had a QB.  we played in the national title game and the #1 lights were fired up on campus. 



IrishfromA2 wrote: I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:01 PM

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Right, but that shouldnt be an issue this year. We've all heard the Tommy Rees excuse long enough, now its time for Kelly to take this offense to another level. He's got 2 QBs who fit the profile, a talented, deep OLine, a bevy of weapons at WR, a solid TE core and 2 elite-level RBs. These guys have all been trained in Kelly's 'system' so there should be no more reasons for putting up 28pts on Temple or 24pts vs Purdue or for running a 'dumbed-down' version of the offense.

If Kelly can't show that he can make this a top 20 offense, then guys like Malik Henry, Jawon Pass, Shea Patterson and other elite 2015-16 offense skill players will start looking at other schools.
remmuh80 wrote: Mediocre has  been due to one thing.

No QB. 

the year we had a QB.  we played in the national title game and the #1 lights were fired up on campus. 



IrishfromA2 wrote: I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.
 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:40 PM

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For someone as locked into ND recruiting for so long as Mike Frank, I'm really not sure why he's gushing so much at the summer visit list. It has seemed like a pretty typical list of visitors in terms of quantity and quality from previous seasons, at least since Weis took over.

Also, his notion that ND has finally caught with other major programs in terms of summer camps/events is wrong. While it's nice that ND has finally given it's 9th-12th grade camp a a nice marketing name to go against the Friday Night Light's of the world, ND is still lacking in terms of the amount of Summer Camps it holds. Here is a small list of what some programs, including ND, have and will hold.

FSU - Two three day high school camps, one in June and One in July, plus a one day high school linemen challenge camp.

Bama - Exact same set up as FSU

Michigan - High school camp in June, BBQ event in July

PSU - 3 senior camps, 2 junior camps plus a 7 on 7 camp

OSU - 3 day position camp in june, skill/big man camp, 3 individual one day camps in june, and a Friday Night Lights in Late July

ND -7on7/Line challenge which was held on 6/21 and the three day Irish Invasion which
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:31 PM

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2 elite-level RBs

IMO that seems like an overstatement. IMO you could not say that for Riddick/Wood, now Felix Jones and Darren McFadden- yes that would be accurate. 

I know you were not including Cam- who is best described as a solid veteran you can put out there. 

Folston- put up some his bigger yardage, but his break out game was versus a Navy defense that had high school size and could not stop anyone. 

Bryant- wow the hype on him has been something, like ND has the next Herschel Walker with him.

I would say a very promising trio of RB's is fair.
IrishfromA2 wrote: Right, but that shouldnt be an issue this year. We've all heard the Tommy Rees excuse long enough, now its time for Kelly to take this offense to another level. He's got 2 QBs who fit the profile, a talented, deep OLine, a bevy of weapons at WR, a solid TE core and 2 elite-level RBs. These guys have all been trained in Kelly's 'system' so there should be no more reasons for putting up 28pts on Temple or 24pts vs Purdue or for running a 'dumbed-down' version of the offense.

If Kelly can't show that he can make this a top 20 offense, then guys like Malik Henry, Jawon Pass, Shea Patterson and other elite 2015-16 offense skill players will start looking at other schools.
remmuh80 wrote: Mediocre has  been due to one thing.

No QB. 

the year we had a QB.  we played in the national title game and the #1 lights were fired up on campus. 



IrishfromA2 wrote: I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.


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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:44 PM

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somedude1981 wrote: For someone as locked into ND recruiting for so long as Mike Frank, I'm really not sure why he's gushing so much at the summer visit list. It has seemed like a pretty typical list of visitors in terms of quantity and quality from previous seasons, at least since Weis took over.

Also, his notion that ND has finally caught with other major programs in terms of summer camps/events is wrong. While it's nice that ND has finally given it's 9th-12th grade camp a a nice marketing name to go against the Friday Night Light's of the world, ND is still lacking in terms of the amount of Summer Camps it holds. Here is a small list of what some programs, including ND, have and will hold.

FSU - Two three day high school camps, one in June and One in July, plus a one day high school linemen challenge camp.

Bama - Exact same set up as FSU

Michigan - High school camp in June, BBQ event in July

PSU - 3 senior camps, 2 junior camps plus a 7 on 7 camp

OSU - 3 day position camp in june, skill/big man camp, 3 individual one day camps in june, and a Friday Night Lights in Late July

ND -7on7/Line challenge which was held on 6/21 and the three day Irish Invasion which
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.



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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:54 PM

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+1. Also IIRC there is an ND camp planned for the south (in Georgia?) that is supposed to help with laying early groundwork for recruits from that region.
sladdy66 wrote:
somedude1981 wrote: For someone as locked into ND recruiting for so long as Mike Frank, I'm really not sure why he's gushing so much at the summer visit list. It has seemed like a pretty typical list of visitors in terms of quantity and quality from previous seasons, at least since Weis took over.

Also, his notion that ND has finally caught with other major programs in terms of summer camps/events is wrong. While it's nice that ND has finally given it's 9th-12th grade camp a a nice marketing name to go against the Friday Night Light's of the world, ND is still lacking in terms of the amount of Summer Camps it holds. Here is a small list of what some programs, including ND, have and will hold.

FSU - Two three day high school camps, one in June and One in July, plus a one day high school linemen challenge camp.

Bama - Exact same set up as FSU

Michigan - High school camp in June, BBQ event in July

PSU - 3 senior camps, 2 junior camps plus a 7 on 7 camp

OSU - 3 day position camp in june, skill/big man camp, 3 individual one day camps in june, and a Friday Night Lights in Late July

ND -7on7/Line challenge which was held on 6/21 and the three day Irish Invasion which
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.


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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:57 PM

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Well we had the Tommy Rees excuse last year and I know it was mainly defense led but we still went to the National Championship game two years ago if you remember. I am hoping this year will go to another gear but we are definitely back on the national landscape. 
IrishfromA2 wrote: Right, but that shouldnt be an issue this year. We've all heard the Tommy Rees excuse long enough, now its time for Kelly to take this offense to another level. He's got 2 QBs who fit the profile, a talented, deep OLine, a bevy of weapons at WR, a solid TE core and 2 elite-level RBs. These guys have all been trained in Kelly's 'system' so there should be no more reasons for putting up 28pts on Temple or 24pts vs Purdue or for running a 'dumbed-down' version of the offense.

If Kelly can't show that he can make this a top 20 offense, then guys like Malik Henry, Jawon Pass, Shea Patterson and other elite 2015-16 offense skill players will start looking at other schools.
remmuh80 wrote: Mediocre has  been due to one thing.

No QB. 

the year we had a QB.  we played in the national title game and the #1 lights were fired up on campus. 



IrishfromA2 wrote: I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.



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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:58 PM

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Sorry by elite level I meant both had potential to be great players in this offense. I wouldnt put them even close to McFadden and Jones--that may be the best RB duo of all time. Of the RB stable ND has had under Kelly, this group has the most top end talent.
WadeWalker2013 wrote:2 elite-level RBs

IMO that seems like an overstatement. IMO you could not say that for Riddick/Wood, now Felix Jones and Darren McFadden- yes that would be accurate. 

I know you were not including Cam- who is best described as a solid veteran you can put out there. 

Folston- put up some his bigger yardage, but his break out game was versus a Navy defense that had high school size and could not stop anyone. 

Bryant- wow the hype on him has been something, like ND has the next Herschel Walker with him.

I would say a very promising trio of RB's is fair
 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:03 PM

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I agree that ND is back in the national landscape, but Kelly needs to prove that Rees was what was holding him back and this year gives him a perfect chance to do that. 2012 was not a product of the offense. They actually scored fewer PPG in 2012 than in 2013. 2012 was all about dominant D. Kelly needs to show this year that he can take the offense to the next level without the excuse of Rees or a freshman QB in Golson.
sladdy66 wrote: Well we had the Tommy Rees excuse last year and I know it was mainly defense led but we still went to the National Championship game two years ago if you remember. I am hoping this year will go to another gear but we are definitely back on the national landscape.
 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:04 PM

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I'd say the RB combo of Todd Gurley and Keith Marshall (ND was a finalist for him) are a pretty damn good duo themselves.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:09 PM

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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:11 PM

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Sorry but I have to call BS on this. Go ahead and take another look at the list MF published, particularly the 2016/2017 recruits. Outside of the QB's EVERY single 16/17 recruit is from the mid west. How is this ANY different from previous years? Once again, besides coming up with a clever marketing name for the high school camp, ND did not do anything different in terms of recruiting this summer.

As for my original point, there really is no excuse for ND to not have ANY July camps/events, it's just either pure laziness on the staffs part or the administration is being cheap and does not want to foot the bill.
sladdy66 wrote:
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:12 PM

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Yes. I would take that duo in a heartbeat.
threehitter wrote: I'd say the RB combo of Todd Gurley and Keith Marshall (ND was a finalist for him) are a pretty damn good duo themselves.
 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:33 PM

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I'm not sure you read the article. This summer was completely different from the past.
somedude1981 wrote: Sorry but I have to call BS on this. Go ahead and take another look at the list MF published, particularly the 2016/2017 recruits. Outside of the QB's EVERY single 16/17 recruit is from the mid west. How is this ANY different from previous years? Once again, besides coming up with a clever marketing name for the high school camp, ND did not do anything different in terms of recruiting this summer.

As for my original point, there really is no excuse for ND to not have ANY July camps/events, it's just either pure laziness on the staffs part or the administration is being cheap and does not want to foot the bill.
sladdy66 wrote:
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:36 PM

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Well QBs still count last time I checked and either way we are getting in early on kids that we weren't before. Look at the number of guys we have committed early compared to past regimes, it's easy to see this staff if doing something different and getting more kids to pull the trigger early. 
somedude1981 wrote: Sorry but I have to call BS on this. Go ahead and take another look at the list MF published, particularly the 2016/2017 recruits. Outside of the QB's EVERY single 16/17 recruit is from the mid west. How is this ANY different from previous years? Once again, besides coming up with a clever marketing name for the high school camp, ND did not do anything different in terms of recruiting this summer.

As for my original point, there really is no excuse for ND to not have ANY July camps/events, it's just either pure laziness on the staffs part or the administration is being cheap and does not want to foot the bill.
sladdy66 wrote:
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.



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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:45 PM

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A good friend of mine was a blue chip football recruit from Wisconsin. He went on visits to Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Notre Dame.

He went on his Notre Dame visit last and he didn't see or hear from Ty the whole time he was there after he was the guy that invited him. He obviously wanted to go to ND but it was such a **** show he ended up not wanting any part of it. He was so frustrated with the situation that on the way home he swung into Augastana College (D2 school in South Dakota) that was recruiting him hard for both basketball and football and decided to commit there because they would let him play whatever position he wanted to play for football and play basketball.
IrishfromA2 wrote: I wonder how these recruiting efforts compare to those of Ty Willingham. I would love to see a June schedule for Willingham and staff when it came to recruiting and how many kids in the next 2 classes they even looked at.

2016 could be another monster OLine class. Its very possible that ND could land Kraemer and Eichenberg.

They certainly are laying the ground work, but none of it really matters if they can't perform on the field. There is no more 'We are building something here at ND' pitch if ND has another mediocre season. It should be built by now and if prospects dont see that they can come to ND and win now, not later, then the elite prospects will move on.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:47 PM

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I did read the article but maybe you can explain to me how this summer was so different than the past?

Doesn't ND hold a high school camp every June? The difference is that in years past it was simply the Notre dame summer Football camp, this year the name was changed to Irish Invasion. Here is an article about last years big summer camp recruiting weekend. How is this years event different?


http://irish.nbcsports.com/201...-for-the-irish/

dosch44 wrote: I'm not sure you read the article. This summer was completely different from the past.
somedude1981 wrote: Sorry but I have to call BS on this. Go ahead and take another look at the list MF published, particularly the 2016/2017 recruits. Outside of the QB's EVERY single 16/17 recruit is from the mid west. How is this ANY different from previous years? Once again, besides coming up with a clever marketing name for the high school camp, ND did not do anything different in terms of recruiting this summer.

As for my original point, there really is no excuse for ND to not have ANY July camps/events, it's just either pure laziness on the staffs part or the administration is being cheap and does not want to foot the bill.
sladdy66 wrote:
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.

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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:25 PM

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It sounds like this Irish Invasion was much bigger with many more underclassmen and they really played up the entire experience.

To directly answer your question, they did have a summer camp in the past, but the Irish Invasion was more a true recruting weekend than a typical camp. Mike Frank said that he has never seen so many big time underclassmen targets on campus in June.
somedude1981 wrote: I did read the article but maybe you can explain to me how this summer was so different than the past?

Doesn't ND hold a high school camp every June? The difference is that in years past it was simply the Notre dame summer Football camp, this year the name was changed to Irish Invasion. Here is an article about last years big summer camp recruiting weekend. How is this years event different?


http://irish.nbcsports.com/201...-for-the-irish/

dosch44 wrote: I'm not sure you read the article. This summer was completely different from the past.
somedude1981 wrote: Sorry but I have to call BS on this. Go ahead and take another look at the list MF published, particularly the 2016/2017 recruits. Outside of the QB's EVERY single 16/17 recruit is from the mid west. How is this ANY different from previous years? Once again, besides coming up with a clever marketing name for the high school camp, ND did not do anything different in terms of recruiting this summer.

As for my original point, there really is no excuse for ND to not have ANY July camps/events, it's just either pure laziness on the staffs part or the administration is being cheap and does not want to foot the bill.
sladdy66 wrote:
I think the main point was that yes, from a 2015 standpoint it isn't ridiculously impressive but we definitely got some great commitments from solid players and laid the groundwork on others. The biggest takeaway for me is that the staff is figuring out ways to get in on 2016-2017 guys that previous staffs did not. His point is that we need to get a kid from the south early in the process at least interested or the motivating factors too close to home will be nearly impossible to overcome.

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