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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:42 PM

Serious Question 


UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?

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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:52 PM

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First off, get yourself into a play- off situation before you worry about TW. Nobody put a gun to the head of ND and Washington when they hired TW. They are the ones who made the mistake. I understand what ND was thinking when they made the hire but Washington's reasons are unclear. I actually met TW when he was the guest speaker at a Notre Dame football banquet when he was the HC. He was very friendly, answered all questions from the guests and took his time afterwards signing and taking pictures. He actually took the time to speak with each fan without rushing them away. Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes. TW is the least of ND's and Washington's worries.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 6:59 PM

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I don't know that he's ever opened fire on a busload of school kids, but I simply don't like the dude, regardless of his coaching abilities.

MightyIgor wrote: Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes.


   

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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:10 PM

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I wasn't railing him as a criminal or something like that...but outside of a photo op what would you expect. I have no idea if he was the same here as ND. Clearly he was a bad coach at both but he was an JA to many of our players, media and our fans.

My point was he burned many bridges here and my concern is: I could see him wanting to stick it to UW/ND because he's not the molder of men that the media seemed to spin. As a player, if you got in his doghouse you were pretty much done...end of story. So I ask again, as a fan of either school you really trust this petty Napoleon? I know I don't.


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First off, get yourself into a play- off situation before you worry about TW. Nobody put a gun to the head of ND and Washington when they hired TW. They are the ones who made the mistake. I understand what ND was thinking when they made the hire but Washington's reasons are unclear. I actually met TW when he was the guest speaker at a Notre Dame football banquet when he was the HC. He was very friendly, answered all questions from the guests and took his time afterwards signing and taking pictures. He actually took the time to speak with each fan without rushing them away. Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes. TW is the least of ND's and Washington's worries.

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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:13 PM

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Ok so one is a decent person if they aren't a criminal? Got it, thanks


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I don't know that he's ever opened fire on a busload of school kids, but I simply don't like the dude, regardless of his coaching abilities.

MightyIgor wrote: Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes.


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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:14 PM

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Is the committee going to choose the matchups for the 4 other bowls as well as the playoffs then?
KimsLover75k wrote: UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:44 PM

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Effectively, yes because the teams they choose for the final four are likely to be the auto qualifiers for those bowls. However, no, they won't select the participants for the other major bowls. The conferences still have contracts with this bowls.


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Is the committee going to choose the matchups for the 4 other bowls as well as the playoffs then?
KimsLover75k wrote: UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?


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Posted: 7/21/2014 9:24 PM

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Uh...If Tyrone Willingham is anything it's definitely a molder of men.  I think he even played one college baseball season with Kirk Gibson at MSU.  I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but Gibby was my favorite Tiger, he's a decent men's baseball coach, and he has a winning attitude at all times.

But yeah, Tyrone Willingham is a molder of men.

It's not  often that I get to use the phrase "molder of men."  That makes 3 times in one post. excited
KimsLover75k wrote: I wasn't railing him as a criminal or something like that...but outside of a photo op what would you expect. I have no idea if he was the same here as ND. Clearly he was a bad coach at both but he was an JA to many of our players, media and our fans.

My point was he burned many bridges here and my concern is: I could see him wanting to stick it to UW/ND because he's not the molder of men that the media seemed to spin. As a player, if you got in his doghouse you were pretty much done...end of story. So I ask again, as a fan of either school you really trust this petty Napoleon? I know I don't.


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First off, get yourself into a play- off situation before you worry about TW. Nobody put a gun to the head of ND and Washington when they hired TW. They are the ones who made the mistake. I understand what ND was thinking when they made the hire but Washington's reasons are unclear. I actually met TW when he was the guest speaker at a Notre Dame football banquet when he was the HC. He was very friendly, answered all questions from the guests and took his time afterwards signing and taking pictures. He actually took the time to speak with each fan without rushing them away. Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes. TW is the least of ND's and Washington's worries.

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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:11 AM

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I've seen some mind-bogglingly poor reading comprehension on this board, but that might take the cake.

You seem slow, Kim, so I'll spell it out for you: I don't find Tyrone Willingham to be a particularly honorable human being.  In my estimation, he's a bit of a jerk.  And while some people are full of themselves for relatively good reason, Ty's basically full of himself for no reason at all.

KimsLover75k wrote: Ok so one is a decent person if they aren't a criminal? Got it, thanks


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--- lumbergh wrote:

I don't know that he's ever opened fire on a busload of school kids, but I simply don't like the dude, regardless of his coaching abilities.

MightyIgor wrote: Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes.


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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:36 AM

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TW and CW did not win at ND. That was their only crime. They graduated their players and brought no scandal to the university IMHO. They just didn't win enough games. Still, years after the fact, Irish fans and outside agitators will stir the pot and say some trashy stuff about both. At the time, Gerry Faust was not a very well liked man among Irish fans. He is now. Coach Faust is one of the best ambassadors for the university. He bleeds blue and gold. I don't see how one vote can keep any program from a play-off slot. Take care of business. Win your games and TW won't be a factor. As I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:55 AM

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Coach Willingam's biggest sin at ND was not that he didn't win, it's that he had 90% of the country believing that is was no longer possible to win at Notre Dame, with the sequela that the recruits started believing that as well.

He came the closest of any coach to destroying ND football as we know it and transforming it into a program with MAC level expectations and MAC level players (that's the same as WAC or Mountain West level players to fellow West Coasters).

It's one thing not to be able to win, it's another much worse problem to convince the world that the reason is Notre Dame itself rather than your own lack of coaching excellence.


MightyIgor wrote: TW and CW did not win at ND. That was their only crime. They graduated their players and brought no scandal to the university IMHO. They just didn't win enough games. Still, years after the fact, Irish fans and outside agitators will stir the pot and say some trashy stuff about both. At the time, Gerry Faust was not a very well liked man among Irish fans. He is now. Coach Faust is one of the best ambassadors for the university. He bleeds blue and gold. I don't see how one vote can keep any program from a play-off slot. Take care of business. Win your games and TW won't be a factor. As I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:56 AM

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Please ignore the personal insult.

Lionel Tyrone Willingham is a fellow Spartan alum with lumbergh here, so for lumbergh to say this about the man is really quite telling.

lumbergh wrote: I've seen some mind-bogglingly poor reading comprehension on this board, but that might take the cake.

You seem slow, Kim, so I'll spell it out for you: I don't find Tyrone Willingham to be a particularly honorable human being.  In my estimation, he's a bit of a jerk.  And while some people are full of themselves for relatively good reason, Ty's basically full of himself for no reason at all.

KimsLover75k wrote: Ok so one is a decent person if they aren't a criminal? Got it, thanks


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--- lumbergh wrote:

I don't know that he's ever opened fire on a busload of school kids, but I simply don't like the dude, regardless of his coaching abilities.

MightyIgor wrote: Good HC.........no. Decent human being.......yes.


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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:17 PM

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My first thoughts: Who is UW? Wisconsin? Wabash? Wyoming? Then I noticed the. PAC reference.

Second thought: Ty destroyed us in the public. We are viewed as mediocre because of that fool.

Third: How come when we fired him... We were raciest pricks. When you do it... It's common sense?

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--- KimsLover75k wrote:

UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?

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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:59 PM

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I am concerned on a couple of levels:

1. There are three people on the committee with ties to Stanford University, including Ty, and a former Provost and professor (Condoleeza Rice).  I guess one could say that technically, Ty has a "tie" to Notre Dame, but I can't find a rational person who would think this would swing in our favor. 

2. Yes, if ND was in the hunt for the final four, I can't picture Ty voting for us.  I definitely think there is some built in bias there.  

3.  I don't think this type of bias is unique--there are plenty of college football "ties", both good and bad on the playoff committee.  It is hard to take their vote credibly (knowing all of the inherent biases) unless there was some semblance of transparency.  Although when first formed, the powers that be paid lip service to transparency, ultimately it was decided that the playoff selection committee would utilize a secret vote.  Very disappointing, and removes a major amount of the credibility that this voting body will have. 

Aside from that, yes, I generally despise Ty Willingham.  Not because he didn't win per sae, but because he put in less than the generally accepted level of requisite effort and time required to coach a division one football team.  I would also add the fact that he seemed not to care about winning and losing, and as another poster said, seemed to place the blame for not winning at the hands of the university, not at his own feet.  In short, he seemed to be "that guy" that got his big payday, and then stopped busting his butt and just took it easy.  He never "got" ND, and didn't seem to care about recruiting or running a good program.  He put in his forty hours and went home or to the golf course.   He left the program far worse than he found it.

Charlie Weis, for all of his failings as a head coach, is not remembered with the same amount of rancor due to the fact that, while he also didn't follow up his early success, he worked his butt off, gave everything he had to the University, greatly improved recruiting, showing that good talent could indeed find success at Notre Dame.  In short, he gave great effort and left the program in far better shape than he found it. 

I always tell my kids that as long as they give their maximum effort at school, I don't care what their grades are.  I just want to know they're trying their hardest.  If one of my kids gave great effort, but got "C's" or "D's", I could handle it a lot better than if one of my kids was a lazy sack of crap and goofed off (and played golf all the time during open recruiting times) and got the same grades.   See what I did there...tied it all together for you!
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:03 PM

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You realize Condi is an ND grad too right?
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Posted: 7/22/2014 6:47 PM

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The sad part is a few Domers want to be liked so much that they will deny the bias against ND.  If and when an 11 win team gets passed over, they'll say "oh but we didn't win a conference." 

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Posted: 7/22/2014 7:34 PM

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The reason he got season 4 was based on race. That 0-12 team still has like 8 players in the NFL or about. That's the myth $C fans are now spinning. That 0-12 was average at best but our players were beaten down by TY and quit on him. The fact that Sark got a healthy Locker and got to five wins was about what that team was capable of.

Most Dawg fans were ready for Sark to hit the road until Pat Haden saved the day. I will be shocked if Seven lasts 4 years, guy is a frat boy coach living off Pete's coat tails like many.

ND got screwed in the media but in the end ND made the right call and was proven right. As bad as he was as a coach, he did a number on our program, players (suddenly senior) and local media/ fans he was a complete a$$.

I just can't for the life of my see how he can be in any organization (legit) when it comes to NCAA football.

I just find the man petty and if he has 3% influence I don't trust him. I'm not comparing him to Ted Bundy like a few poster stating he never shot up a bus? Still don't get that comment.

Just as a ND/UW we will likely have a chance at a 4 team playoff...or that is my hope now that we have a proven/adult coach....I was just wondering if this was a concern even if small since both schools fired him. Once his players at UW got in hi dawg house they were never heard from again and althought both schools made him rich I just have a hard time trusting that man. And no it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.


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My first thoughts: Who is UW? Wisconsin? Wabash? Wyoming? Then I noticed the. PAC reference.

Second thought: Ty destroyed us in the public. We are viewed as mediocre because of that fool.

Third: How come when we fired him... We were raciest pricks. When you do it... It's common sense?

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--- KimsLover75k wrote:

UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?

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Posted: 7/22/2014 7:37 PM

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This is the main reason he is despised by many ND fans. He could have easily diffused the "racist" lies from certain media, instead he wallowed in it and allowed it to fester. The earlier poster is correct, he is a small man. The mediocre football was the reason he was fired, but was never the basis for the dislike for him felt by so many ND fans.
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My first thoughts: Who is UW? Wisconsin? Wabash? Wyoming? Then I noticed the. PAC reference.

Second thought: Ty destroyed us in the public. We are viewed as mediocre because of that fool.

Third: How come when we fired him... We were raciest pricks. When you do it... It's common sense?

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--- KimsLover75k wrote:

UW fan here...this may have been beaten to death here in the past but I have to ask.

Now that UW has the best HC/adult running our program in over 20 years, I find myself being concerned Try Lossingsham is on the playoff committee...I can't be alone and I don't trust that little man.

Our two fan bases know he is a fraud as a football coach but I grew to dislike the man (generous). Not only did he bring our program to its knees, he fractured our fan base maybe forever. While he was our coach, if you can call him that, I stopped caring and that is something I never thought was possible.

I'm not trying to bring back old wounds but knowing UW will be in the hunt for Rose Bowls within 3-4 years I don't like he and his petty ways (UW/ND) could be effected by this man, even a little. Is this a concern to ND fans since you canned this clown too?

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Posted: 7/22/2014 7:43 PM

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True.  Gerry Faust is welcome to dinner at my place any time.

JoeBeagle wrote: The mediocre football was the reason he was fired, but was never the basis for the dislike for him felt by so many ND fans.


   

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Posted: 7/22/2014 7:46 PM

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I agree with most everything you said for similar reasons. The Stanford thing with those 3 along with Ty is a concern to me even if small. You just know the little man TY is if team 4 were I tie between SU, UW, and ND he would side with SU. I guess as a UW fan at least we have a better chance to rep the P12 if we win. It just kind of irks me this lazy man was selected. And you just know Rice probably respects him and his views so much since he took them to a RB. Still trying to figure that one out.

Ok my rant is over...I just wanted to know if others had concerns and it seems my question was answered....unless of course you are a MSU alum....maybe I'm just a bad guy for criticizing a black man?


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I am concerned on a couple of levels:

1. There are three people on the committee with ties to Stanford University, including Ty, and a former Provost and professor (Condoleeza Rice).  I guess one could say that technically, Ty has a "tie" to Notre Dame, but I can't find a rational person who would think this would swing in our favor. 

2. Yes, if ND was in the hunt for the final four, I can't picture Ty voting for us.  I definitely think there is some built in bias there.  

3.  I don't think this type of bias is unique--there are plenty of college football "ties", both good and bad on the playoff committee.  It is hard to take their vote credibly (knowing all of the inherent biases) unless there was some semblance of transparency.  Although when first formed, the powers that be paid lip service to transparency, ultimately it was decided that the playoff selection committee would utilize a secret vote.  Very disappointing, and removes a major amount of the credibility that this voting body will have. 

Aside from that, yes, I generally despise Ty Willingham.  Not because he didn't win per sae, but because he put in less than the generally accepted level of requisite effort and time required to coach a division one football team.  I would also add the fact that he seemed not to care about winning and losing, and as another poster said, seemed to place the blame for not winning at the hands of the university, not at his own feet.  In short, he seemed to be "that guy" that got his big payday, and then stopped busting his butt and just took it easy.  He never "got" ND, and didn't seem to care about recruiting or running a good program.  He put in his forty hours and went home or to the golf course.   He left the program far worse than he found it.

Charlie Weis, for all of his failings as a head coach, is not remembered with the same amount of rancor due to the fact that, while he also didn't follow up his early success, he worked his butt off, gave everything he had to the University, greatly improved recruiting, showing that good talent could indeed find success at Notre Dame.  In short, he gave great effort and left the program in far better shape than he found it. 

I always tell my kids that as long as they give their maximum effort at school, I don't care what their grades are.  I just want to know they're trying their hardest.  If one of my kids gave great effort, but got "C's" or "D's", I could handle it a lot better than if one of my kids was a lazy sack of crap and goofed off (and played golf all the time during open recruiting times) and got the same grades.   See what I did there...tied it all together for you!

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