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Posted: 7/13/2014 2:31 PM

Kelly, Crist, and Keil. 


I am new to this board. But I was born an ND fan almost 70 years ago. In 1956 or 57 , I snuck into Pitt stadium tearing my winter coat on the fence, just to see Paul Hornung. Bobby Williams who broke the Oklahoma winning streak with an interception in the end zone and a long TD drive in the final minutes started. Bobby and I later became great friends. We were both physicians in the same hospital.

I think that the jury is still out on Kelly. He took us to a twelve win season without really having a QB. I don't think that he has been able to recruit the talent that other ND coaches have done.

I'd be grateful for any info on what happened to Dane Crist or Gunner Keil. The end of last season looked like an exodus. We lost two Coaches (Diacco) looked like the best defensive coach that I've seen at ND since Johnny Ray. Not only did the seniors leave but the juniors left with them.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 4:13 PM

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Of course the jury is still out on Kelly. But one thing is irrefutable. He's the best coach at Notre Dame since Lou Holtz retired. How do I know? Oh, just some little incidental statistic called WIN-LOSS RECORD! Kelly has raised the bar on the fans' expectations. Four years ago, we would have given our souls for a nine win season again. Last year, a nine win season was considered a disappointment. The fanbase hasn't had this much confidence in the program since the early days of Bob Davie.

Your estimation of Diaco as a coordinator may be overly generous, however, he was a good coordinator for us and was certainly a breath of fresh air after Jon Tenuta. Diaco left because a job opened up for him to be a head coach. He didn't leave because of any internal friction, if that's what you're implying. None of our coaches have left for similar jobs at other schools (a sure sign of a poor program). Instead, each have left for promotions to head coaching jobs (a sure sign of a healthy program).

Yes, we lost a lot of talent this offseason. Believe it or not, that too is the sign of a healthy program. When Juniors are leaving along with Seniors for the NFL Draft, it means you are cultivating a lot of talent within the program and those guys are simply leaving for the opportunity the NFL provides.

narmer71 wrote: I am new to this board. But I was born an ND fan almost 70 years ago. In 1956 or 57 , I snuck into Pitt stadium tearing my winter coat on the fence, just to see Paul Hornung. Bobby Williams who broke the Oklahoma winning streak with an interception in the end zone and a long TD drive in the final minutes started. Bobby and I later became great friends. We were both physicians in the same hospital.

I think that the jury is still out on Kelly. He took us to a twelve win season without really having a QB. I don't think that he has been able to recruit the talent that other ND coaches have done.

I'd be grateful for any info on what happened to Dane Crist or Gunner Keil. The end of last season looked like an exodus. We lost two Coaches (Diacco) looked like the best defensive coach that I've seen at ND since Johnny Ray. Not only did the seniors leave but the juniors left with them.


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Posted: 7/13/2014 4:35 PM

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narmer71 wrote: I am new to this board. But I was born an ND fan almost 70 years ago. In 1956 or 57 , I snuck into Pitt stadium tearing my winter coat on the fence, just to see Paul Hornung. Bobby Williams who broke the Oklahoma winning streak with an interception in the end zone and a long TD drive in the final minutes started. Bobby and I later became great friends. We were both physicians in the same hospital.

I think that the jury is still out on Kelly. He took us to a twelve win season without really having a QB. I don't think that he has been able to recruit the talent that other ND coaches have done.

I'd be grateful for any info on what happened to Dane Crist or Gunner Keil. The end of last season looked like an exodus. We lost two Coaches (Diacco) looked like the best defensive coach that I've seen at ND since Johnny Ray. Not only did the seniors leave but the juniors left with them.
The Coaches leaving from last season was a good thing.  Put Kelly blew the offensive Hires OC/QB Coach if you ask me.

With regards to Dayne I think he probably came back a bit too quick and was blamed for the loss to USF.  However if Jones catches the ball in the Endzone and Gray doesn't fumble Crist would have looked fine.  IMO Kelly ****** up and he should have been given PT vs. MSU, Purdue (1 snap), AF, and what he did to him vs. USC was criminal.... Crist goes 4-4 for 36 yards then you put in AH for a snap then go back to Crist and he fumbles the snap....

The Maryland game was criminal were up 38-7 to end the 3rd and Rees is still playing in the 4th both Crist and AH should have played.

Then for some reason Crist was dismissed from the team not sure on the time frame or the reason but I know he didn't make the Bowl game.  Maybe it was after he met with Weis.  

I've seen an interview with Crist where he basically said there was not much communication with himself and Kelly.

With regards to Gunner he had issues with Chuck Martin and supposedly Martin treated him like crap.   My take on the situation is Gunner's probably always had his *** kissed being from a superstar family and is a product of the new PC America.  

Martin is a ball-buster and IMO didn't realize how sensitive Kiel was.  He probably didn't do a good job of building him back-up after he tore him down.    IMO Kelly should have realized something was wrong but it's my understanding that Kelly doesn't have much interaction with the players and is in no way a players Coach. 

Probably very similar to Saban's treatment of Jimmy Barnes....   

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=290408 6

IMO there is nothing wrong with that style of Coaching but you need  to understand the kid and the type of program he came from before you mother-**** him and rip him to shreds.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:07 PM

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Crist wasn't dismissed. He chose to transfer and not participate in the bowl game for obvious reasons.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:15 PM

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remmuh80 wrote: 2012 national coach of the year helps.

Future hall of fame coach helps

Every starting QB he coached signed a pro contract helps

Took a beat down program with angry fans and alumni straight into the top rankings and made ND.... ND again. He is a great coach
Kelly is an above average Coach.    He'll def. be in the Hall of Fame but that has more to do with his D2 record than anything else.  IMO Kelly's Coaching abilities are on par with Earle Bruce good Coach but no way will he ever be in the same breath as the all-time greats at ND.

GVSU 118-35-2

CMU 19-16
Cincy 34-6 - 2 BCS Bowls
ND  37-15  - 1 BCS Bowl

D1 Record 90-37 - .709%

Bowl Record 4-3  (BCS Bowl Record 0-2)

W - International Bowl - Western Michigan 27-24
W - Papajohns - Southern Miss 31-21
L  - Orange - VTECH 20-7
W - Sun - Miami 33-17
L - Champs - FSU 18-14
L - BCS NCG Bama 42-14
W - Pinstripe - Rutgers 29-16

Bowl Wins: Western Michigan, Southern Miss, Miami (sans Coach), and Rutgers
Losses: VTech, FSU, Bama

Kellys Record vs. Big Name Coaches/Programs
Nick Saban 0-1
Jimbo Fisher 0-1
Brady Hoke 4-2 (1-2 at ND)
Dick Rod 0-2
Dantonio 3-1
Stoops 1-2
Kiffen 1-3
Beamer 0-1
Shaw 1-2
Harbaugh 0-1
Todd Graham 1-1
Wittingham 1-0

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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:19 PM

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Sub, you expecting Notre Dame to lose to UM this season? Hoke has only been there for three seasons.

Also, on what planet has he coached against Kiffin four times? Kelly is 3-1 against USC.

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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:22 PM

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amruther24 wrote: Sub, you expecting Notre Dame to lose to UM this season? Hoke has only been there for three seasons.
thanks... i knew CBK was 1-3 vs. UM forgot about when Hoke took over.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 11:53 PM

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BK is the best man for the ND job. There is no one out there who has a resume that will drop everything and come to ND. There is no magician out there who will do a better job than BK. If this cat doesn't work out at ND then we are in trouble. It has to work with Brian Kelly. I believe he gets ND. He was willing to take on the challenge of coaching at ND knowing there will be no juccos, no gray shirts, no over recruiting, no fudging on academics. BK has done a few things that has bugged me. The Eagles fiasco right after the BCS title game fiasco was not his most glorifying moment IMHO. Neither was Tulsa or USF.  His NFL tryout  has sailed, at least for now. This season is very important for BK. It will determine if his program will be consistent kindergarten bowl participants or if he has the program ready to go swimming with the Great White Sharks of college football on a regular basis. No excuses.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 1:43 AM

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He looks the best to me. Urban wouldn't take the job. Lots of others passed on the job. Weis got it as there were only two applicants - Charlie and Tom Clements.

ND is a very hard job compared to other programs. The players must go to school. No 500K per year as Reggie Bush testified in his deposition. No free home in Westwood and no new car to get you there.

ND won't take transfers except under unusual circumstances. No JC transfers. All scholarships are for four years. No dismissing a guy after a year or two he isn't playing well. No proposition 48 players.

Even Lou did something the admin didn't like and was canned while he still had years left to coach.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:43 AM

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Kelly is a hell of a recruiter.  We are stocked at all positions, we have talented depth and better team speed than we've seen in decades.  I think the thing that's missing is putting it all together.  And I fully expect that to happen any day now.



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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:55 AM

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Are we talking about the same team?
KBags wrote: Kelly is a hell of a recruiter.  We are stocked at all positions, we have talented depth and better team speed than we've seen in decades.  I think the thing that's missing is putting it all together.  And I fully expect that to happen any day now.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:41 AM

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People see what they want to see...and it feels better to see something positive.

Optimism is the one great thing about the offseason.


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Are we talking about the same team?
KBags wrote: Kelly is a hell of a recruiter.  We are stocked at all positions, we have talented depth and better team speed than we've seen in decades.  I think the thing that's missing is putting it all together.  And I fully expect that to happen any day now.


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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:14 AM

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IMHO, it all depends on the guy whose picture you see below. If gets our D to perform above expectation, we could actually get a shot at The Game.

But right now, nobody knows how that will go. We have D-line questions, MLB questions, just a lot of  questions on D. And VanGorder, even though he's been around for a while, is still  something of an unknown. Most of his stops were before he really got sold on bringing creative heat. So he could end up as Tenuta 2.0, or he could be even better than Diaco.

Personally,  I think he'll do a lot better at ND than Tenuta. For one thing, he has better players, and I think ones more likely to fit his system.

We'll know soon.

The offense will do its part.

Special teams probably won't, but it might not matter that much.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:35 AM

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Without optimism this whole college football thing would be a drudgery. Irish Nation has no choice. If we went into each season truly realizing that there will be no BCS bowl game in the program's future, I think that we would all switch over to soccer and give up this yearly disappointment. I am the mayor of Realville and truth be told about the program's future.............I just don't know. Will we  be happy with 8 and 9 win seasons with a minor bowl and perhaps sprinkle in a 10 and 11 win season every now and then or will the natives get restless not winning BCS bowl games and titles after awhile? Cubs fans are complacent. They pretend they care but their sports life as a Cub fan moves on after each disappointing season. Will Irish fans get complacent? I'd rather be optimistic about BK, the program, and its future. It's more fun and that is what this is all about.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:30 AM

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The offense will be great. If we score 50 points or more every game, we'll be 12 - 0.
#5, Everett Golson. 62/96 770 yds 7 TD 0 INT; 83 rush, 4 TD
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:58 AM

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But I think the important thing to realize is that fans have very little effect on the team. Yes there needs to be supporters and a great gameday atmosphere helps them but fans don't matter as much as they would like to think. 

I don't think the players will underperform because we are realistic about a teams ceiling.
MightyIgor wrote: Without optimism this whole college football thing would be a drudgery. Irish Nation has no choice. If we went into each season truly realizing that there will be no BCS bowl game in the program's future, I think that we would all switch over to soccer and give up this yearly disappointment. I am the mayor of Realville and truth be told about the program's future.............I just don't know. Will we  be happy with 8 and 9 win seasons with a minor bowl and perhaps sprinkle in a 10 and 11 win season every now and then or will the natives get restless not winning BCS bowl games and titles after awhile? Cubs fans are complacent. They pretend they care but their sports life as a Cub fan moves on after each disappointing season. Will Irish fans get complacent? I'd rather be optimistic about BK, the program, and its future. It's more fun and that is what this is all about.

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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:14 PM

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This is the thing Remmuh is you don't even use stats or facts nor do you properly quote people.  Brian Kelly is an above average Coach.    You call my stats Garbage because the facts don't live up to your warped view of Brian Kelly....

Cincy was 7-5 when Kelly took over he won the Bowl game and bumped them up to 8-5 so getting 2 more wins the next year wasn't that impressive 


2006 Cincy (7-5 Dantonio and 1-0 Kelly)
Big Wins #7 Rutgers
Losses Pitt, #1 Ohio State,  #11 VTech, #7 Louisville, #10 WVU


2007 10-3 Brian Kelly
Big Wins: Oregon State, #21 Rutgers, #21 USF, #16 UConn
Losses Louisville without Petrino, Pitt, WVU

Kelly got off with an easier schedule than Dantinio 
remmuh80 wrote: These are garbage stats. 

Average coach?   you are nuts bro.  He is a great coach and a 2-time Coach of The Year.  You don't just walk into a Cincy program and win 10 games, 3 years in a row...   or walk into a ND and turn the program around in 3 years.  How many coaches have failed at that in a row before him?   3? 4?

Who gives a crap about being Coach of the year?  He won the Home Depot Coach of the year in 2009 and 2012.... Can you tell me who won it in 2002.


He says all the right things, does charity work, has an offensive playbook to match Oregon's and can recruit like Saban. 

LOL....   Kelly's stuck his foot in his mouth several times and BTW Willingham said all the right things... Weis did charity work....  And you're Nuts if you think his play books can match Oregons or he can recruit like Saban.   If you really think that their is no point to even argue with you because you're a Homer who can't see reality. 


Oregon scores points and racks up yards....  ND not so much....

2013 
Oregon - 7345 yards / 591 points 
Notre Dame - 5276 yards / 354 points

2012
Oregon - 6986 yards / 645 points
Notre Dame 5358 yards / 335 points 

2011
Oregon - 7319 yards / 645 points
ND  5369 / 380 points

2010
Oregon 6899 yards / 611 points
ND 4936 yards / 342 points

And just to be fair  

Cincinnati 2009 - 5817 total yards / 502 points 

Class Rankings as compared to Saban

ServiceTEAM2014201320122011Total AVG
ScoutBAMA 14273.5
ScoutND 651688.75
 
ESPNBama11121.25
ESPNND114998.25
 
RivalsBaama11111
RivalsND113201011
 
247Bama 11111
247ND 11518910.75
 
TOTALBAMA1.6875
TOTALND 9.6875


Kelly and Swarbrick are changing ND"s perception in recruits minds...  ND is "cool" rooming with David Robinson's son or Tori Hunter Jr...  or Flying to Vegas with Nico to see some UFC fights...  and so on.  Got the new turf installed, got a $400Million stadium upgrade, got College Gameday back on ND's campus.....   he does all the Knute Rockne type stuff off the field to make the program succeed... ON AND OFF THE FIELD. 

LOL....  First of all Nicco isn't on Campus and no one has flown anywhere with him yet.  As for College Game Day weren't they on Campus when Weis was the Coach?????   So I really don't understand how he got them back on campus?

What's your deal man? 

My deal is I see reality and Kelly is a solid Coach but by no means is he elite.

2010 Record 8-5 with losses to Navy and Tulsa
2011 Record 8-5 with a loss to USF
2012 Great Year except we got humiliated in the NCG
2013 9-4 with a nice loss to Pitt
 
the only reason Kelly hasn't thrived at ND...  QB's getting booted from school or not having a great QB when he arrived at campus.   Lack of depth at that position as handcuffed him tremendously.  I feel bad for you that you do not see common sense like this....  its obvious as hell.  

He's been here 4 years... Whose fault is it that we have a lack of depth?  Kelly could have went after multiple QB's he didn't.

Is it Kelly's fault Rees and Crist were total farts in the wind?   That Kiel was as tough as wet toilet paper?  that Golson cheated?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  

Yes.... Kelly's in charge "the buck stops with him" and IMO Rees saved his ***... No Rees and we're stuck with AH or Massa running the show.

How bad was our running game last year?  Everyone knows Rees isn't a great QB so IMO you play to his strengths...  Run a double TE set - give the RB an extra blocker and pound the ball but thats kinda hard to do because Kelly didn't bring in one elite back when he first got here instead he let Geo Bernard walk away.



SubFANtheTroll wrote:
remmuh80 wrote: 2012 national coach of the year helps.

Future hall of fame coach helps

Every starting QB he coached signed a pro contract helps

Took a beat down program with angry fans and alumni straight into the top rankings and made ND.... ND again. He is a great coach
Kelly is an above average Coach.    He'll def. be in the Hall of Fame but that has more to do with his D2 record than anything else.  IMO Kelly's Coaching abilities are on par with Earle Bruce good Coach but no way will he ever be in the same breath as the all-time greats at ND.

GVSU 118-35-2

CMU 19-16
Cincy 34-6 - 2 BCS Bowls
ND  37-15  - 1 BCS Bowl

D1 Record 90-37 - .709%

Bowl Record 4-3  (BCS Bowl Record 0-2)

W - International Bowl - Western Michigan 27-24
W - Papajohns - Southern Miss 31-21
L  - Orange - VTECH 20-7
W - Sun - Miami 33-17
L - Champs - FSU 18-14
L - BCS NCG Bama 42-14
W - Pinstripe - Rutgers 29-16

Bowl Wins: Western Michigan, Southern Miss, Miami (sans Coach), and Rutgers
Losses: VTech, FSU, Bama

Kellys Record vs. Big Name Coaches/Programs
Nick Saban 0-1
Jimbo Fisher 0-1
Brady Hoke 4-2 (1-2 at ND)
Dick Rod 0-2
Dantonio 3-1
Stoops 1-2
Kiffen 1-3
Beamer 0-1
Shaw 1-2
Harbaugh 0-1
Todd Graham 1-1
Wittingham 1-0

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Posted: 7/14/2014 2:58 PM

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You don't really believe all this stuff, do you?

1. Playbook as extensive as Oregon? Stop it.
2. Recruits as well as Saban? Good lord.
3. You know the last coach had game day on campus too, right?
4. How can you say a guy is a great coach in one breath and then explain why he hasn't thrived?
5. The posts are here for everyone to read. If one person calls a coach above average, you can't then say they're insane for calling them average.

Finally you seem to fail to understand that the head coach is the too of the chain. The CEO. The president. Chairman of the board. The General Manager. He is to be defined by the end result. So far, the end result has been better than what we've had in the last 20 years, but it sure as hell hasn't been great.

Calling Kelly great because he came after Weis and Wiilingham would be like calling a McDonald's hamburger great because you hadn't eaten anything but crusty pubic hair for the last six years.





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These are garbage stats. 

Average coach?   you are nuts bro.  He is a great coach and a 2-time Coach of The Year.  You don't just walk into a Cincy program and win 10 games, 3 years in a row...   or walk into a ND and turn the program around in 3 years.  How many coaches have failed at that in a row before him?   3? 4?

He says all the right things, does charity work, has an offensive playbook to match Oregon's and can recruit like Saban. 

Kelly and Swarbrick are changing ND"s perception in recruits minds...  ND is "cool" rooming with David Robinson's son or Tori Hunter Jr...  or Flying to Vegas with Nico to see some UFC fights...  and so on.  Got the new turf installed, got a $400Million stadium upgrade, got College Gameday back on ND's campus.....   he does all the Knute Rockne type stuff off the field to make the program succeed... ON AND OFF THE FIELD. 

What's your deal man? 
 
the only reason Kelly hasn't thrived at ND...  QB's getting booted from school or not having a great QB when he arrived at campus.   Lack of depth at that position as handcuffed him tremendously.  I feel bad for you that you do not see common sense like this....  its obvious as hell.  

Is it Kelly's fault Rees and Crist were total farts in the wind?   That Kiel was as tough as wet toilet paper?  that Golson cheated?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  


SubFANtheTroll wrote:
remmuh80 wrote: 2012 national coach of the year helps.

Future hall of fame coach helps

Every starting QB he coached signed a pro contract helps

Took a beat down program with angry fans and alumni straight into the top rankings and made ND.... ND again. He is a great coach
Kelly is an above average Coach.    He'll def. be in the Hall of Fame but that has more to do with his D2 record than anything else.  IMO Kelly's Coaching abilities are on par with Earle Bruce good Coach but no way will he ever be in the same breath as the all-time greats at ND.

GVSU 118-35-2

CMU 19-16
Cincy 34-6 - 2 BCS Bowls
ND  37-15  - 1 BCS Bowl

D1 Record 90-37 - .709%

Bowl Record 4-3  (BCS Bowl Record 0-2)

W - International Bowl - Western Michigan 27-24
W - Papajohns - Southern Miss 31-21
L  - Orange - VTECH 20-7
W - Sun - Miami 33-17
L - Champs - FSU 18-14
L - BCS NCG Bama 42-14
W - Pinstripe - Rutgers 29-16

Bowl Wins: Western Michigan, Southern Miss, Miami (sans Coach), and Rutgers
Losses: VTech, FSU, Bama

Kellys Record vs. Big Name Coaches/Programs
Nick Saban 0-1
Jimbo Fisher 0-1
Brady Hoke 4-2 (1-2 at ND)
Dick Rod 0-2
Dantonio 3-1
Stoops 1-2
Kiffen 1-3
Beamer 0-1
Shaw 1-2
Harbaugh 0-1
Todd Graham 1-1
Wittingham 1-0


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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:14 PM

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Oregon only runs a variation of like 8 plays. They have one of the simpliest playbooks ever.

The thing about the stiuation that BK came into is that ND damn near had a MAC roster along the lines of scrimmage. BK remade the entire roster to the point where they can actually practice 1v1 and doesn't need his players to walk on egg shells for fear of getting them hurt. BK should be absolutely be commended for remaking this roster in a way that is more in touch with the elites of college football. He also got ND to the NC game which can't be understated because until that point, there was question as to whether it could be done at ND anymore.

However, going forward, there are no more excuses for 8-5 seasons period. We'll know this year what he is really made of. It's 100% his program and his players. Elite coaches beat the teams they are suppose to beat and never get caught with their pants down particularly when they have been at the helm for a number of years.

I really think that everything up to this point was BK feeling his way through what it takes to be an elite coach at ND. He's clearly had some major philosophy shifts when it comes to recruiting, roster composition, player development, game planning, in game strategy, and the management of his assistant coaches. Like I said, all the possible excuses are gone and the hardest step for a program to take is from winning 9-10 games to 12-13 games. We will know very shortly just how great of a coach BK is but you can't say that he is already elite.

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Come on.... You realize Kelly took over for Weis not Willingham.  Granted the DLine was fairly thin but the Offensive Line was fine.. IMO Weis biggest problem with the line was rotating Coaches and defenses and the Administration not backing him ASAP after the 2009 season.  They should have given him a phony contract extension.

2010 Roster 
C - Cave
C - Wenger
C - Golic Jr
OG Robinson
OG Stewart
OG Watt
OT Bullard
OT Cleland
OT Dever
OT Lomard
OT Martin
OT Romaine

DE Ethan Johnson
DE KLM
DE Cwynar
DT Nix
DT Newman
DT Stockton
DT Ian WIlliams
DL Utupo
dosch44 wrote: Oregon only runs a variation of like 8 plays. They have one of the simpliest playbooks ever.

The thing about the stiuation that BK came into is that ND damn near had a MAC roster along the lines of scrimmage. BK remade the entire roster to the point where they can actually practice 1v1 and doesn't need his players to walk on egg shells for fear of getting them hurt. BK should be absolutely be commended for remaking this roster in a way that is more in touch with the elites of college football. He also got ND to the NC game which can't be understated because until that point, there was question as to whether it could be done at ND anymore.

However, going forward, there are no more excuses for 8-5 seasons period. We'll know this year what he is really made of. It's 100% his program and his players. Elite coaches beat the teams they are suppose to beat and never get caught with their pants down particularly when they have been at the helm for a number of years.

I really think that everything up to this point was BK feeling his way through what it takes to be an elite coach at ND. He's clearly had some major philosophy shifts when it comes to recruiting, roster composition, player development, game planning, in game strategy, and the management of his assistant coaches. Like I said, all the possible excuses are gone and the hardest step for a program to take is from winning 9-10 games to 12-13 games. We will know very shortly just how great of a coach BK is but you can't say that he is already elite.
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