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I can't understand why Barnet picked Al over ND

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Posted: 7/12/2014 4:59 PM

I can't understand why Barnet picked Al over ND 


To me this would have not even been a consideration. What could have changed his mind ?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:27 PM

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Mrs Kiffin.

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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:35 PM

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Or even his wife.

irishrasta87 wrote: Mrs Kiffin.


   

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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:39 PM

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lumbergh wrote: Or even his wife.

irishrasta87 wrote: Mrs Kiffin.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:41 PM

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He had been giving Alabama props in interviews while he was committed to ND.  

The switch to Alabama was not a surprise to me.  If he commits himself to school work at Alabama, he'll be just fine, and he'll also get his degree.

At this point there's no comparison between Alabama and ND football.  Meaning ND can't hold a candle to Alabama football now or probably even the next four years...especially if Saban is there for the next 4 years.
narmer71 wrote: To me this would have not even been a consideration. What could have changed his mind ?

Representing this man...

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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:56 PM

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Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana
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Posted: 7/12/2014 6:12 PM

Re: I can't understand why Barnet picked Al over ND 


Fire Kelly.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 6:47 PM

Re: I can't understand why Barnet picked Al over ND 



buffalomike wrote: Fire Kelly.
Nah, fire SubFan
#5, Everett Golson. 62/96 770 yds 7 TD 0 INT; 83 rush, 4 TD
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Posted: 7/12/2014 7:34 PM

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SubFANtheTroll wrote: Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana
I get your point, Sub. However, let's put a little perspective on this. If Kelly "broke" Dayne Crist, then Saban most definitely "broke" Phillip Sims. Also, it's not like Saban ever really had a thing to do with Jamarcus Russell or Matt Flynn making the pros.

As for Kiffin, he was coaching TEs and WRs during all of Palmer's career and most of Leinart's and Booty's careers. He overlapped with Sanchez for one season. He was the offensive passing coordinator for one season. I doubt he had much to do with any of their development. Steve Sarkisian was the QBs coach during that era. As for Barkley, I think most would consider his ultimate draft position as a disappointment. Does that count as a success?

I don't know that Crompton counts as much of an NFL guy. I mean, he was drafted, but never rose above the status of offseason or practice squad player.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, I'm just trying to add a little context here.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 7:39 PM

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Sub... So what you're saying is every QB that started for Kelly since joining div 1 schools has signed as a pro?




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--- SubFANtheTroll wrote:

Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana

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Last edited 7/12/2014 7:42 PM by remmuh80

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Posted: 7/12/2014 7:48 PM

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My buddy Jeff Fox was a Kelly QB at GVSU who "played for" (or was at least rostered by) the Detroit Lions.  Curt Anes was at least invited to try out before heading to NFL Europe.

There are plenty of great reasons to choose Alabama, but don't you think it's a bit absurd to make this kind of comparison based on where those respective coaches have been and what they've had to work with?

I'd say it's clear Kelly has the better record for actually developing QB's.

SubFANtheTroll wrote: 

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


   

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Posted: 7/12/2014 7:50 PM

Re: I can't understand why Barnet picked Al over ND 



remmuh80 wrote: Sub... So what you're saying is every QB that started for Kelly since joining div 1 schools has signed as a pro?




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--- SubFANtheTroll wrote:

Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana

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Except for Ben Mauk.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 8:19 PM

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ndalum64 wrote:
buffalomike wrote: Fire Kelly.
Nah, fire SubFan
could you just block me grandpa
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Posted: 7/12/2014 8:33 PM

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Kelly's never had a QB last in the PRO's.... I think the longest was Tony Pike thats not really impressive and the QB Coach was a total waste.    Kelly needs to sell QB's on what his staff can do and IMO its really not impressive sell.    

Yeah he can take a 1 star guy and get him signed to the practice squad.   But everyone else with some talent tries to flee the program.

Kelly's lack of impressive QB hires IMO has done him in.   Look at his QB hires to date

Charlie Molnar - not impressive
Chuck Martin - Great Coach but he was a defensive guy
Matt LeFluer - Yawnnnnnn spent a season or two with the Redskins but before that most of his time was spent at the D2 level except for the 2 years at CMU?


remmuh80 wrote: Sub... So what you're saying is every QB that started for Kelly since joining div 1 schools has signed as a pro?




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--- SubFANtheTroll wrote:

Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana

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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:40 PM

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Ben Mauk destroyed his shoulder in 3 places...  He did however play in the Canadian league and some indoor leagues.  and won the indoor league championships.  He blew out his arm again after the season. 




amruther24 wrote:
remmuh80 wrote: Sub... So what you're saying is every QB that started for Kelly since joining div 1 schools has signed as a pro?




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--- SubFANtheTroll wrote:

Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana

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Except for Ben Mauk.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 9:54 PM

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amruther24 wrote:
SubFANtheTroll wrote: Wants to win a National Championship

Saban has a better track record of putting guys in the Pros....

Saban QB's: Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Booty, Davey, Mauck, Flynn, Russell, Wilson, McElroy, AJ McCarron.  

Kiffen: Palmer, Cassell, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Barkley, Crompton

Kelly: LaFevour, Finnerty, Pike
Collaros and Rees were signed but never made the team or practice squad.


Hotter chicks, better weather, easier academics.  Barnett doesn't go to the greatest school. 

Why would you want to play at ND for a Coach whose ruined one 5 star QB and he had issues with another 5 star QB.  The only QB to exhaust his eligibility at ND under Kelly has been Rees and Kelly's had some type of issue with all his QB's
Crist - communication issues dismissed from the team/ transferred to KU
Rees - couldn't run the whole playbook, suspended and benched
Golson - couldn't run the whole playbook suspended
Hendrix - couldn't learn the playbook and sucked it up on the field and transferred to Miami
Massa - switched to WR choose not to come back for a 5th year
Montana - kelly wanted him to switch to Safety Transferred to Montana
I get your point, Sub. However, let's put a little perspective on this. If Kelly "broke" Dayne Crist, then Saban most definitely "broke" Phillip Sims. Also, it's not like Saban ever really had a thing to do with Jamarcus Russell or Matt Flynn making the pros.

As for Kiffin, he was coaching TEs and WRs during all of Palmer's career and most of Leinart's and Booty's careers. He overlapped with Sanchez for one season. He was the offensive passing coordinator for one season. I doubt he had much to do with any of their development. Steve Sarkisian was the QBs coach during that era. As for Barkley, I think most would consider his ultimate draft position as a disappointment. Does that count as a success?

I don't know that Crompton counts as much of an NFL guy. I mean, he was drafted, but never rose above the status of offseason or practice squad player.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, I'm just trying to add a little context here.
Thing is Phil Simms was never named the starter.  He just got beat out. Kelly pulled his starter in the first game of the season after a half.

Also Kelly's QB's have a history of getting injured...
Crist, Golson, and Rees all had injuries and one year at Cincy he ran with 6 QB's.   

And finally Saban knew the target.  I think its much easier to negative recruit when you know where a kid is going.

You also don't have the best QB in Bama history dissing Saban and his QB choices.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1315489-notre-d ame-football-joe-montana-not-in-the-wrong-by-criti cizing-everett-golson

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/920509-notre-da me-football-joe-montanas-criticism-shows-the-irish -have-lost-their-way

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Posted: 7/12/2014 10:00 PM

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Actually, when you think about it, it's not really all that hard to understand.

Nobody in the country outrecruits Nick Saban. Nobody. Until he retires, Alabama is the number one recruit destination in the country.

Everybody else is fighting for number two.


Greg "Bullet-Train" Bryant
B*tch he'll run right through you!

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Posted: 7/12/2014 10:48 PM

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I don't think it is just about Alabama being better than Notre Dame. I think it also has to do with playing time. If he came to ND, he wouldn't have much of a chance or it would be hard to start until Zaire left. Meaning he would most likely play 2 years as a starter.

Correct me if I am wrong, but right now Alabama's QB situation is a little doubtful right? Last I heard they are going with some transfer QB and it doesn't look that great after he is gone. SO Barnet has a legit chance to start next year and play there for 3-4 more years as the QB of one of the more consistent football programs in the country.

The combination of Golson and Zaire and Alabama's situation being iffy at QB is what did it in my book. Either way let's not cry over spilt milk. Barnett was never here and in my opinion I don't think he will necessarily pan-out just because he is a highly-touted recruit. He is only thinking football, not football and life-after.

On a side note, if he wanted to go somewhere where he had a chance to start and the program has a track record of success for the QB position, he should have gone to Texas A&M and not Alabama. Name a QB from Alabama in the past 10 years that did well in the NFL? I can name two from A&M right now and he seems similar to Manziel.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:35 PM

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Not every recruit grew up wanting to be Irish. Not every recruit wants to play for Bama. It was only a few short years ago that Bama  lost to Louisiana Monroe. Tide fans have short memories as do Trojan fans when Petey was there. Tide fans believe that college football started with the arrival of Saban. Contrary to the nonsense that is fed to us courtesy of ESPN, Saban does not walk on water. He does however, know where the stumps are. It takes a while to develop a recruiting program that fully utilizes the practice of gray shirting and over recruiting. Nick Saban has done that.  Tide fans need to learn a valuable lesson that Trojan fans learned the hard way. Be good to folks on the way up because you are going to need them on the way down. Until then, Blake should just be an 18 year old afterthought to Irish Nation.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 12:22 AM

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IMO Bama's roster is a lot deeper at QB then ND.

ND has Golson and Zaire... IMO Kizer is a huge product.

Bama 
2013 - David Cornwell - 4 star
2012 - Cooper Bateman 4 star & Parker McLeod - 3  star
2011 - Alec Morris - 3 star
2010 - Blake Simms - 4 Star  ATH & Jacob Coker - 3 star QB

Cornwell and Bateman were great HS players and the FSU staff felt Coker was the 3rd best QB in the country


As for Barnett going to A&M you do realize they signed the best QB in HS last year Kyle Allen.  

Yamazaru wrote: I don't think it is just about Alabama being better than Notre Dame. I think it also has to do with playing time. If he came to ND, he wouldn't have much of a chance or it would be hard to start until Zaire left. Meaning he would most likely play 2 years as a starter.

Correct me if I am wrong, but right now Alabama's QB situation is a little doubtful right? Last I heard they are going with some transfer QB and it doesn't look that great after he is gone. SO Barnet has a legit chance to start next year and play there for 3-4 more years as the QB of one of the more consistent football programs in the country.

The combination of Golson and Zaire and Alabama's situation being iffy at QB is what did it in my book. Either way let's not cry over spilt milk. Barnett was never here and in my opinion I don't think he will necessarily pan-out just because he is a highly-touted recruit. He is only thinking football, not football and life-after.

On a side note, if he wanted to go somewhere where he had a chance to start and the program has a track record of success for the QB position, he should have gone to Texas A&M and not Alabama. Name a QB from Alabama in the past 10 years that did well in the NFL? I can name two from A&M right now and he seems similar to Manziel.

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