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ND needs to stop playing Navy

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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:10 AM

ND needs to stop playing Navy 


Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy
  2. Its a lose/lose situation for ND. If they win, no one cares but if they lose, its a monumental, demoralizing upset
  3. The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game
  4. Injuries. Other than 2012, it seems like someone on the defense always gets injured due to the cut blocks
  5. Over the last 7 years, ND has always played poorly after the Navy game. They are 4-3 vs Navy since 2007 and just 2-5 in the games following. Only one of those losses came to a ranked team. Both wins came by a total of 10 points vs Purdue and Wake Forest
  6. Navy isnt the pushover they used to be. Keenan Reynolds scares the sh!t out of me and the program is only going to get better now that they are joining a conference.

I realize this is never going to happen, I just think I could sleep better at night knowing I wouldnt have to watch Navy march up and down the field on ND.

Fortunately, ND has a bye week to recover after the FSU game and prepare for Navy, but with a road game in Tempe the following week, I have a feeling the game-after-Navy woes are going to continue.
 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:21 AM

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odds are their wouldn't be a Notre Dame if it wasn't for Navy.

i think the major item to be looked into is... why are Cut blocks still allowed?


IrishfromA2 wrote: Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy
  2. Its a lose/lose situation for ND. If they win, no one cares but if they lose, its a monumental, demoralizing upset
  3. The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game
  4. Injuries. Other than 2012, it seems like someone on the defense always gets injured due to the cut blocks
  5. Over the last 7 years, ND has always played poorly after the Navy game. They are 4-3 vs Navy since 2007 and just 2-5 in the games following. Only one of those losses came to a ranked team. Both wins came by a total of 10 points vs Purdue and Wake Forest
  6. Navy isnt the pushover they used to be. Keenan Reynolds scares the sh!t out of me and the program is only going to get better now that they are joining a conference.

I realize this is never going to happen, I just think I could sleep better at night knowing I wouldnt have to watch Navy march up and down the field on ND.

Fortunately, ND has a bye week to recover after the FSU game and prepare for Navy, but with a road game in Tempe the following week, I have a feeling the game-after-Navy woes are going to continue.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:22 AM

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Why do you think they'll be better once they join the AAC?

Keenan Reynolds only has so much eligibility.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Ken Niumatalolo has that team rolling, but Notre Dame is still capable of destroying them. Let's be honest about that 2012 Purdue game, that had more to do with playing in Dublin the week before than playing Navy.

I'd rather ND play Navy at the beginning of the season than in the middle for sure. No doubt playing that Navy game takes it out of these current ND teams.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:47 AM

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I understand that aspect of it and thats why this will likely never happen. 
remmuh80 wrote: odds are their wouldn't be a Notre Dame if it wasn't for Navy.
 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:50 AM

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IrishfromA2 wrote: I understand that aspect of it and thats why this will likely never happen. 
remmuh80 wrote: odds are their wouldn't be a Notre Dame if it wasn't for Navy.
ND made a commitment to Navy. It's a shame you don't believe in commitments.

remmuh80 has it 100 m% correct.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:56 AM

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I think joining a conference will help them with recruiting. Right now, they play about 5 BCS conference teams per year and have zero shot at playing in a major bowl or a National Championship. Joining the AAC will give them a chance to play in a conference title game and gives the a possibility of playing in the CFB playoff. They also get better bowl bids. Their games will instantly become more relevant now that they are conference games. Obviously Tulane, UConn, Memphis and Temple dont exactly present a schedule gauntlet, but its certainly an upgrade over South Alabama, Delaware and Western Kentucky.

2012 probably had something to do with the travel, but last year it obviously had a big affect on the Pitt game.
amruther24 wrote: Why do you think they'll be better once they join the AAC?

Keenan Reynolds only has so much eligibility.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. Ken Niumatalolo has that team rolling, but Notre Dame is still capable of destroying them. Let's be honest about that 2012 Purdue game, that had more to do with playing in Dublin the week before than playing Navy.

I'd rather ND play Navy at the beginning of the season than in the middle for sure. No doubt playing that Navy game takes it out of these current ND teams.
 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:05 AM

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Hopefully BVG will play 8-9 in the box instead of a base defense like we saw too much from Diaco. I'd like to hope Russell and the other starting CB can cover their 4.7 or 4.8 WR's. 

Last year was a problem because even though AFA was awful, it was difficult physically to play AFA and Navy back to back.

3.The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game.

Is that an accurate statement if ND also has to play Georgia Tech (with the former Navy HC Paul Johnson). 



IrishfromA2 wrote: Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy
  2. Its a lose/lose situation for ND. If they win, no one cares but if they lose, its a monumental, demoralizing upset
  3. The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game
  4. Injuries. Other than 2012, it seems like someone on the defense always gets injured due to the cut blocks
  5. Over the last 7 years, ND has always played poorly after the Navy game. They are 4-3 vs Navy since 2007 and just 2-5 in the games following. Only one of those losses came to a ranked team. Both wins came by a total of 10 points vs Purdue and Wake Forest
  6. Navy isnt the pushover they used to be. Keenan Reynolds scares the sh!t out of me and the program is only going to get better now that they are joining a conference.

I realize this is never going to happen, I just think I could sleep better at night knowing I wouldnt have to watch Navy march up and down the field on ND.

Fortunately, ND has a bye week to recover after the FSU game and prepare for Navy, but with a road game in Tempe the following week, I have a feeling the game-after-Navy woes are going to continue.


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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:19 AM

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Thats my understanding, but you do bring up a good point.
WadeWalker2013 wrote:.
Is that an accurate statement if ND also has to play Georgia Tech (with the former Navy HC Paul Johnson). 
 
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:31 AM

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IrishfromA2 wrote: I think joining a conference will help them with recruiting. Right now, they play about 5 BCS conference teams per year and have zero shot at playing in a major bowl or a National Championship. Joining the AAC will give them a chance to play in a conference title game and gives the a possibility of playing in the CFB playoff. They also get better bowl bids. Their games will instantly become more relevant now that they are conference games. Obviously Tulane, UConn, Memphis and Temple dont exactly present a schedule gauntlet, but its certainly an upgrade over South Alabama, Delaware and Western Kentucky.

Fair points, but I doubt their recruiting is going to improve significantly. It's still the Naval Academy with all that comes with that distinction.

Ivan Maisel made a good point the other day that all of the travel that will be required of them when they join the AAC may take a bit of time to adjust to (i.e. their record is going to suffer). He used WVU having to travel west so much now that they're in the Big 12 as an example. West Virginia is 3-6 in conference road games since joining the Big 12.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 12:10 PM

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Honestly, I like the fact ND plays the academies. It is about Honor, Duty and Respect.  This is so much more than a football game, more than tradition, more than a promise.  

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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:57 PM

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I don't have the cold hard facts but Paul Johnson claims there are more injuries playing against traditional offenses than playing against cut blocking offenses.  Navy and USC are two constants on the ND schedule. I wish Michigan was the third. Navy isn't the only program to cut block. I think Navy week is very special in South bend wrapping it all up with the game. The Navy fans are exceptional. They get Notre Dame. Keep Navy and USC. Bring back Michigan.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:35 PM

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IrishfromA2 wrote: Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy

The Game benefits ND more then you think.... We've never played Navy in Annapolis so every game is either a Home game for ND or on the Road.  We've played Navy in Ireland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Orlando, Philly, and Cleveland.  What other team is willing to give up all their home games and play ND on a neutral site?    

          2. Its a lose/lose situation for ND. If they win, no one cares but if they lose, its a        monumental, demoralizing upset.

True... Thats why we should never play scrubby teams and only play teams in the top 10.  This way if we lose we have an excuse.  You do realize ND had a 43 game winning streak vs. Navy


3. The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game

True.... we should only play teams that run an offense we want.     You seriously sound like a bitch.

4. Injuries. Other than 2012, it seems like someone on the defense always gets injured due to the cut blocks

Yawn..... Is it fair that the ND players out weigh the little Navy players.

5. Over the last 7 years, ND has always played poorly after the Navy game. They are 4-3 vs Navy since 2007 and just 2-5 in the games following. Only one of those losses came to a ranked team. Both wins came by a total of 10 points vs Purdue and Wake Forest

Is that Navy's fault?  Or is that our Coaches fault.

6. Navy isnt the pushover they used to be. Keenan Reynolds scares the sh!t out of me and the program is only going to get better now that they are joining a conference.

True... We should only play pushovers..... 

Do you realize what a whiney bitch you sound like????   You probably complained at the NC game because Bama wouldn't let us score.  

I realize this is never going to happen, I just think I could sleep better at night knowing I wouldnt have to watch Navy march up and down the field on ND.

Fortunately, ND has a bye week to recover after the FSU game and prepare for Navy, but with a road game in Tempe the following week, I have a feeling the game-after-Navy woes are going to continue.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:36 PM

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MightyIgor wrote: I don't have the cold hard facts but Paul Johnson claims there are more injuries playing against traditional offenses than playing against cut blocking offenses.  Navy and USC are two constants on the ND schedule. I wish Michigan was the third. Navy isn't the only program to cut block. I think Navy week is very special in South bend wrapping it all up with the game. The Navy fans are exceptional. They get Notre Dame. Keep Navy and USC. Bring back Michigan.
pass...... no point in playing a shithole team like michigan..
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:52 PM

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Barnett would bail on Navy.

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IrishfromA2 wrote: I understand that aspect of it and thats why this will likely never happen. 
remmuh80 wrote: odds are their wouldn't be a Notre Dame if it wasn't for Navy.
ND made a commitment to Navy. It's a shame you don't believe in commitments.

remmuh80 has it 100 m% correct.

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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:12 AM

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Could not disagree more. Navy helped save ND. If ND can't handle Navy personnel they should be embarrassed. Every week ND had to prepare for a new offense and Navy is not any more multidrmational than any other team.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:54 AM

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Thanks Sub. I think you make a good point about the coaches. If they can't figure out a way to stop Navy's offense (Diaco was 2/4), then they may have bigger issues. 

Isn't it your rule that if ND loses to Navy, the head coach should be fired on the spot?
SubFANtheTroll wrote:
IrishfromA2 wrote: Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy

The Game benefits ND more then you think.... We've never played Navy in Annapolis so every game is either a Home game for ND or on the Road.  We've played Navy in Ireland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Orlando, Philly, and Cleveland.  What other team is willing to give up all their home games and play ND on a neutral site?    Id be willing to guess that most non-BCS conference or Independent teams would be willing to do that. BYU was willing to play ND at ND two years in a row with no future game at BYU.

          2. Its a lose/lose situation for ND. If they win, no one cares but if they lose, its a        monumental, demoralizing upset.

True... Thats why we should never play scrubby teams and only play teams in the top 10.  This way if we lose we have an excuse.  You do realize ND had a 43 game winning streak vs. Navy I wouldn't say Navy has been 'scrubby' over the last 10 years. 


3. The staff has to install a new defense mid-season just for this game

True.... we should only play teams that run an offense we want.     You seriously sound like a bitch. 

4. Injuries. Other than 2012, it seems like someone on the defense always gets injured due to the cut blocks

Yawn..... Is it fair that the ND players out weigh the little Navy players.

5. Over the last 7 years, ND has always played poorly after the Navy game. They are 4-3 vs Navy since 2007 and just 2-5 in the games following. Only one of those losses came to a ranked team. Both wins came by a total of 10 points vs Purdue and Wake Forest

Is that Navy's fault?  Or is that our Coaches fault.

6. Navy isnt the pushover they used to be. Keenan Reynolds scares the sh!t out of me and the program is only going to get better now that they are joining a conference.

True... We should only play pushovers..... 

Do you realize what a whiney bitch you sound like????   You probably complained at the NC game because Bama wouldn't let us score.  

I realize this is never going to happen, I just think I could sleep better at night knowing I wouldnt have to watch Navy march up and down the field on ND.

Fortunately, ND has a bye week to recover after the FSU game and prepare for Navy, but with a road game in Tempe the following week, I have a feeling the game-after-Navy woes are going to continue.
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Posted: 6/19/2014 1:39 PM

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Man, have we really come to the point where people are afraid of Navy?

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Posted: 6/19/2014 4:27 PM

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Just think how good Navy would be if they played everyone on their schedule as tough as they played ND...
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Posted: 6/19/2014 8:06 PM

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Oh, they always play that tough against Army and the Chair Force.

C5hydro wrote: Just think how good Navy would be if they played everyone on their schedule as tough as they played ND...
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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:20 PM

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Yeah.... I'm all for firing Coaches who lose to Navy.

What do Jess Harper, Knute Rocke, Leahy, Ara, Devine, and Lou all have in common???  


IrishfromA2 wrote: Thanks Sub. I think you make a good point about the coaches. If they can't figure out a way to stop Navy's offense (Diaco was 2/4), then they may have bigger issues. 

Isn't it your rule that if ND loses to Navy, the head coach should be fired on the spot?
SubFANtheTroll wrote:
IrishfromA2 wrote: Few reasons

  1. The game in no way benefits ND. It only benefits the Naval Academy

The Game benefits ND more then you think.... We've never played Navy in Annapolis so every game is either a Home game for ND or on the Road.  We've played Navy in Ireland, New Jersey, Baltimore, Orlando, Philly, and Cleveland.  What other team is willing to give up all their home games and play ND on a neutral site?    Id be willing to guess that most non-BCS conference or Independent teams would be willing to do that. BYU was willing to play ND at ND two years in a row with no future game at BYU.

So most colleges would agree to never play a home game in 87 matches????   I doubt that


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