Posted: 6/6/2014 11:41 AM
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Posted: 6/6/2014 12:06 PM
dosch44 wrote: ND is more like Duke, Ga Tech, Virginia, Wake Forrest, ect. than any school in the Big 10 save Northwestern.
Posted: 6/6/2014 12:07 PM
ewcoold wrote: in another thread a few people told me they thought ND was a better cultural fit in the ACC than the Big 10 because the ACC shared NDs values.http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11036924/fo rmer-north-carolina-basketball-star-rashad-mccants -says-took-sham-classesreally? We expel kids for whole seasons for academic fraud. UNC is the most powerful and influential school in the ACC they really care about their academics there no? Call themselves a "public ivy" despite fact that Ivy league schools don't give athletic scholarships while at UNC scholarship athletes don't even have to go to class. Even at Michigan with their ******** classes the guys at least have to show up. FSU is even worse if you read some of the columns / articles from their anonymous professors posted to sites like Deadspin.
Posted: 6/6/2014 12:13 PM
Posted: 6/6/2014 12:16 PM
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Posted: 6/6/2014 1:35 PM
ewcoold wrote: Big 10 now has Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Chicago now, add ND that would be 4 very prestigious private schools.Want to see something shocking. African American Studies is the major with the fake classes, no show classes and automatic A's. UNC's 2005 National Championship Basketball Team had 9 players who majored in AFAM.this is from Dukes site....For reference:AFAM, African Studies, and Undeclared majors in UNC basketball and the associated banners which may need to come down.--------------Note 1: Julius Nyang'oro arrived at UNC in the Fall of 1984.Note 2: A few non-banner seasons were included when necessary to show additional players or team managers (for info purposes) who also majored in AFAM.Note 3: Past UNC Basketball Blue Book releases have included the majors for all former players by class (year) dating back to 1962. This info inclusion stopped following the 2005 season.--------------Class of 1987Curtis Hunter - African StudiesClass of 1988Ranzino Smith - AFAM(Though predating the elevation of Nyang'oro to head of the AFAM department, he was teaching AFAM classes during Smith and Hunter's educational period at UNC. The Tar Heels claim Regular Season titles from 85, 87, and 88 with them on the roster).-------------------Season:1991Banners: ACC Tournament; Final FourGeorge Lynch - African StudiesDerrick Phelps - AFAMBrian Reese - AFAM*Clifford Rozier - Pan African Studies*1993Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA ChampionsGeorge Lynch - African StudiesDonald Williams - African StudiesDerrick Phelps - AFAMBrian Reese - AFAM*1994Banner: ACC TournamentDonald Williams - African StudiesDerrick Phelps - AFAMJerry Stackhouse - AFAMBrian Reese - AFAM*Jeff McInnis - AFAM*1995Banners: ACC Regular Season (shared); Final FourDonald Williams - African StudiesJerry Stackhouse - AFAMJeff McInnis - AFAM*Chuck Lisenbee (team manager) - Biology & AFAM*1997Banners: ACC Tournament; Final FourVince Carter - AFAMAntawn Jamison - AFAMEd Cota - African Studies1998Banners: ACC Tournament; Final FourVince Carter - AFAMAntawn Jamison - AFAMEd Cota - African Studies1999Ed Cota - African StudiesCori Brown (team manager) - African Studies*(Note: Carter & Jamison in NBA offseason AFAM studies)2000Banner: Final FourMax Owens - AFAMEd Cota - African StudiesJulius Peppers - AFAM*Terence Newby - AFAM*Orlando Melendez - AFAM*2001Banner: ACC Regular Season (shared)Max Owens - AFAMJulius Peppers - AFAM*Ronald Curry - African Studies*Orlando Melendez - AFAM*2004Eric Hoots (team manager) - Comm & AFAM*2005Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA ChampionsJackie Manuel - AFAMSean May - AFAMDavid Noel - AFAMMelvin Scott - AFAMReyshawn Terry - AFAMQuentin Thomas - AFAMJawad Williams - AFAMRashad McCants - AFAMMarvin Williams - AFAM2007Banners: ACC Regular Season; ACC TournamentReyshawn Terry - AFAMQuentin Thomas - AFAMMike Copeland - AFAMWill Graves - (undeclared)Deon Thompson - (undeclared)Alex Stepheson - (undeclared)Brandon Wright - (undeclared)2008Banners: ACC Regular Season; ACC Tournament; Final FourQuentin Thomas - AFAMMike Copeland - AFAMWill Graves - (undeclared)Deon Thompson - (undeclared)Alex Stepheson - (undeclared)Greg Little - Communications**2009Banners: ACC Regular Season; Final Four; NCAA ChampionsMike Copeland - AFAMWill Graves - (undeclared)Deon Thompson - (undeclared)Larry Drew II - (undeclared)Justin Watts - (undeclared)Ed Davis - (undeclared)
Posted: 6/6/2014 1:46 PM
ewcoold wrote: Call themselves a "public ivy" despite fact that Ivy league schools don't give athletic scholarships while at UNC scholarship athletes don't even have to go to class.
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:01 PM
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:06 PM
lumbergh wrote: "Public Ivy" isn't a label they came up with, and UNC is very much like Michigan. You can get an elite education there or you can get almost no education there. ewcoold wrote: Call themselves a "public ivy" despite fact that Ivy league schools don't give athletic scholarships while at UNC scholarship athletes don't even have to go to class.
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:27 PM
ewcoold wrote: what makes ND more like Virginia and not Purdue or Rutgers or any other school in the BIG that sucks in sports but is public and good academically? Again not to mention John Hopkins who is becoming an associate member and might end up becoming a full non football member and the University Chicago which is also private.dosch44 wrote: ND is more like Duke, Ga Tech, Virginia, Wake Forrest, ect. than any school in the Big 10 save Northwestern.
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:29 PM
ewcoold wrote: Hopkins joined the Big 10 as a partial member to help them start a lacrosse league. It does remain to be seen if they will jump all the way in and become more of a full member in the next few years.espn.go.com/college-sports/sto...pkins-affiliateChicago was a full member of the Big 10, and a founding member at that, but reemphasized sports in the 40s and dropped to division III. They are still closely associated with the Big 10 including the CIC (committee on institutional cooperation) which is basically all the Big 10 schools plus Chicago. So while they are not currently playing on the same level of athletics as the Big 10 they are still very closely associated with the Big 10 conference and its members.www.cic.net/about-cic/member-universitiesmaybe thats a stretch to call them a BIG member, but the CIC would create a closer academic bond between Chicago and ND than anything possible in the ACC. Fact remains simply for sports the size and style of the institution doesn't matter its just a sports league. If you want to get into "cultural fit" and how it will benefit ND be my guest I just don't see it from the ACC perspective. Like somehow because ND is in a league with Wake Forest and Virginia that makes everything kosher. What will these schools do for ND besides play them in sports? The only culture I see with the ACC is a culture of cheating at UNC and FSU. Meanwhile we will keep expelling guys for cheating while they encourage it.
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:45 PM
ewcoold wrote: Rutgers is the closest thing to being a true Public Ivy, even more so than Virginia. Not sure what size of the school, private vs public or really even academics have to do with joining a league for sports. The Big 10 is the only conference with the CIC that can make a reasonable argument about their conference raising the prestige of their academics. Is USC and Stanford not a good fit for the Pac 12 because their student bodies don't resemble Arizona State's? Is Baylor a bad fit in the Big 12 because it doesn't resemble Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I find this argument to be full of holes.
Last edited 6/6/2014 3:03 PM by HoomanBeing
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:52 PM
Posted: 6/6/2014 2:54 PM
ewcoold wrote: Again not to mention John Hopkins who is becoming an associate member and might end up becoming a full non football member and the University Chicago which is also private.dosch44 wrote: ND is more like Duke, Ga Tech, Virginia, Wake Forrest, ect. than any school in the Big 10 save Northwestern.
Posted: 6/6/2014 3:03 PM
WhiskeyFoxtrot wrote: ND will never join the BIG. For all those saying geographically it makes sense, that's the EXACT reason we will NEVER join. We will NOT become a marginalized school that only plays in the midwest. We will not give up our coast to coast scheduling by forcing ourselves to play 10 or 11 games out of our 12 games in the midwest. STOP.We are not regional. We don't want to step down to the level of the BIG 10 and be in a regional conference. The BIG can go F themselves. They suck and get no respect as a football conference. JUST STOP IT with the BIG stuff.
Posted: 6/6/2014 3:10 PM
Last edited 6/6/2014 3:15 PM by ewcoold
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