Sounds good.

Big Ten: Duke, ND, UVa, Wake, UNC, GT, Miami

SEC: Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, VT, FSU, NC St., L'Ville

ndirish951 wrote: It's pretty clear that the B1G and SEC aren't going anywhere and if those conferences choose to expand I think the ACC would be cherry picked.

I'd hope ND would give up football before joining those two.. (Big Ten or the SEC)

I'd find it hard to be a fan of ND if they joined one of those conferences.

Just a conference thing or still mad about Fielding Yost?

Albi16 wrote: I'd hope ND would give up football before joining those two.. (Big Ten or the SEC)

I'd find it hard to be a fan of ND if they joined one of those conferences.

conference thing & I live in MI. I have enough UofM & MSU fans (some I call my friends) around here telling me all the reasons Notre Dame needs to join the B1G. But hate on ND every chance they get.

I never met Fielding Yost, but I understand he was diffiCULT to deal with unless you agreed with him. I don't appreciate how he treated ND while he was at UofM, but he's dead by now... I think.

Yeah, FTR I don't care to actually see ND join a conference.  If that day ever does come, though, I'd be okay with either the Big Ten or ACC.

And as a fellow Michigander, I also tend to scoff at both Wolverines and my fellow Spartans who demand either that ND join the Big Ten (or another conference) or that the Big Ten ban games against ND.

If anything, those games should be seen as favors by ND to them.

Albi16 wrote: conference thing & I live in MI. I have enough UofM & MSU fans (some I call my friends) around here telling me all the reasons Notre Dame needs to join the B1G. But hate on ND every chance they get.

I never met Fielding Yost, but I understand he was diffiCULT to deal with unless you agreed with him. I don't appreciate how he treated ND while he was at UofM, but he's dead by now... I think.

Albi16 wrote: conference thing & I live in MI. I have enough UofM & MSU fans (some I call my friends) around here telling me all the reasons Notre Dame needs to join the B1G. But hate on ND every chance they get.

I never met Fielding Yost, but I understand he was diffiCULT to deal with unless you agreed with him. I don't appreciate how he treated ND while he was at UofM, but he's dead by now... I think.

Nice t-shirt

let's go ahead and stop saying "being in cold weather regions" has anything to do with the big ten stinking. 

Boise State is located in an ICE BOX of a region and they are doing just fine. 

Michigan and Notre Dame are just as far north as the rest of the big ten... they are doing fine.

Oregon is further north than the entire big ten... they are doing just fine. 

Its coaching and the lack of involvement by the schools to create excellent venues.  Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota (even though its new) these vensues are awful. 


The big ten needs to challenge the SEC and ACC teams to Home and Homes.  If they wont play... then go on tv and call them pu$$ies for not accepting the games. 

The SEC and ACC need to play in the north if they think they are better then the north.   If they wont come north...  then boycott going south.

remmuh80 wrote: let's go ahead and stop saying "being in cold weather regions" has anything to do with the big ten stinking. 

Boise State is located in an ICE BOX of a region and they are doing just fine. 

Michigan and Notre Dame are just as far north as the rest of the big ten... they are doing fine.

Oregon is further north than the entire big ten... they are doing just fine. 

Its coaching and the lack of involvement by the schools to create excellent venues.  Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota (even though its new) these vensues are awful. 


The big ten needs to challenge the SEC and ACC teams to Home and Homes.  If they wont play... then go on tv and call them pu$$ies for not accepting the games. 

The SEC and ACC need to play in the north if they think they are better then the north.   If they wont come north...  then boycott going south.

While the Big-10+ or any northern can't/shouldn't use cold weather as an excuse for poor play, the schools you used don't even come close to northern school winter temps.

Oregon maybe further north than the entire BIG 10+, but they don't get the snow/cold that the BIG-10+ gets on a normal basis.
As far as their temps go, they average between 34-38 Nov-Feb (record-12)

As for Boise, compared to Madison , Wi, they are much warmer from Nov-Feb with temps ranging between 24-32 (record -25) for lows vs Madison with lows averaging 10-28 (record -38).
And I would guess that Mich & Minn may get even colder.

Aye.  Oregon is a tropical paradise compared to the Upper Midwest and Eugene does not have a higher latitude than all Big Ten Schools.

Also South Bend is south of a number of Big Ten schools.  I may have get Remmuh a nice map.
 

C5hydro wrote:

remmuh80 wrote: let's go ahead and stop saying "being in cold weather regions" has anything to do with the big ten stinking. 

Boise State is located in an ICE BOX of a region and they are doing just fine. 

Michigan and Notre Dame are just as far north as the rest of the big ten... they are doing fine.

Oregon is further north than the entire big ten... they are doing just fine. 

Its coaching and the lack of involvement by the schools to create excellent venues.  Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota (even though its new) these vensues are awful. 


The big ten needs to challenge the SEC and ACC teams to Home and Homes.  If they wont play... then go on tv and call them pu$$ies for not accepting the games. 

The SEC and ACC need to play in the north if they think they are better then the north.   If they wont come north...  then boycott going south.

While the Big-10+ or any northern can't/shouldn't use cold weather as an excuse for poor play, the schools you used don't even come close to northern school winter temps.

Oregon maybe further north than the entire BIG 10+, but they don't get the snow/cold that the BIG-10+ gets on a normal basis.
As far as their temps go, they average between 34-38 Nov-Feb (record-12)

As for Boise, compared to Madison , Wi, they are much warmer from Nov-Feb with temps ranging between 24-32 (record -25) for lows vs Madison with lows averaging 10-28 (record -38).
And I would guess that Mich & Minn may get even colder.

FYI, several of those will never happen. FSU, Clemson and Louisville will never be members of the SEC. Neither would Miami, GT if it came down to them. Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia are dead set against having another SEC member in their state. I can't imagine why UK would want Louisville in the SEC either. FSU has been discussed several times and has had allies in programs like Bama. It was apparent that there were schools willing to band together to ensure they would not get enough votes. FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson, and Louisville would be off the SEC board in any expansion.

If all the expansion stuff does end up happening, (and in my opinion there is too much smoke for there not to be any fire. The ACC screwed themselves as soon as they signed that TV contract. They are at a severe financial disadvantage to the other AQ conferences and when ND signs their new NBC deal, they will be well behind them as well), I think the SEC will look first to UNC, Duke, and UVA. If they all head to the B10, they would look at NCSt & VT. I don't see them go after Pitt or Syracuse.

It is going to get really really interesting if (when) Maryland gets a win in court. By win I mean not paying anymore than a $15 million exit fee. The precedent is set and with the additions of Pitt, Cuse, and L'ville the ACC cannot prove damages, especially since they have a TV deal already in place. It will get settled out of court and the exit fee will be around, but not much more, than what Texas A&M paid the B12. When that happens it is either going to be much ado about nothing or it is going to be an every man for himself, free for all to try not to be a team left without a chair when the music stops.

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Sounds good.

Big Ten: Duke, ND, UVa, Wake, UNC, GT, Miami

SEC: Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, VT, FSU, NC St., L'Ville

ndirish951 wrote: It's pretty clear that the B1G and SEC aren't going anywhere and if those conferences choose to expand I think the ACC would be cherry picked.

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