I think you all will find this funny.  I read this article: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game 
I think scroll down to the comments and low and behold, here is the first comment I read:
kronkpride 4 hours ago The problem is the weather.  Cold drives kids south and stops many from coming north.  The expansion will help bring more east coast kids in.  Nebraska creates about zilch.  Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin are weak producing states as well.  Maryland will bring DC into play more.  Rutgers will bring the NJ and rest of the northeast into play.  The expansion should continue.  They need to force ND to have to join a conference for real.  Ban all games with ND and grab UCONN to make 15.  Then put a time limit on going to 16.  Another option would be to grab the Catholic Big East schools for basketball and make the network even more powerful.  If UCONN and ND could be had along with the Catholic basketball only schools....then you really have an unstoppable brand and the best brand in the country.  They basketball only schools are the ticket and the Big 10 needs to make the bid.   Corner ND and end this madness once and for all .  I just laughed

Scanning comments below articles for the dumbest e-peeps you can find?

Living in Ohio I can assure you that there is no reasoning with the average B1G fan. They cannot comprehend the fact that we do not want to join that conference. The ACC may be a sinking ship but I think ND would be more like to join a retooled Big 12 before they joined the B1G simply because of the rules on television contracts.

Also, I'm not sure how the B1G fans can blame weather for their bad recruiting performances when ND, OSU and Michigan were all concensus top 10 classes and all 3 of those schools were able to pull southern kids up north.

ndirish951 wrote: Living in Ohio I can assure you that there is no reasoning with the average B1G fan. They cannot comprehend the fact that we do not want to join that conference. The ACC may be a sinking ship but I think ND would be more like to join a retooled Big 12 before they joined the B1G simply because of the rules on television contracts.

Also, I'm not sure how the B1G fans can blame weather for their bad recruiting performances when ND, OSU and Michigan were all concensus top 10 classes and all 3 of those schools were able to pull southern kids up north.

It's not just the television contracts, its also that scUM and OSU rule that division with an iron fist. What they say goes.

Something that most OSU fans in Columbus are proud of.. and God forbid you try to explain to a scUM fan about them blackballing us early on - "I DONT HEAR YOU LALALALALALA."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...gwU&t=0m47s

Iron fist, indeed.

bil327 wrote: its also that scUM and OSU rule that division with an iron fist. What they say goes. 

TDGeezuz wrote: I think you all will find this funny.  I read this article: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game 
I think scroll down to the comments and low and behold, here is the first comment I read:
kronkpride 4 hours ago The problem is the weather.  Cold drives kids south and stops many from coming north.  The expansion will help bring more east coast kids in.  Nebraska creates about zilch.  Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin are weak producing states as well.  Maryland will bring DC into play more.  Rutgers will bring the NJ and rest of the northeast into play.  The expansion should continue.  They need to force ND to have to join a conference for real.  Ban all games with ND and grab UCONN to make 15.  Then put a time limit on going to 16.  Another option would be to grab the Catholic Big East schools for basketball and make the network even more powerful.  If UCONN and ND could be had along with the Catholic basketball only schools....then you really have an unstoppable brand and the best brand in the country.  They basketball only schools are the ticket and the Big 10 needs to make the bid.   Corner ND and end this madness once and for all .  I just laughed

Poor Urban. He has to contend with the weather in Ohio. I can see his health problems coming back in another year or two.......

the problem with the big ten....

it stinks. 

OSU, Mich, PSU, Nebraska, Wisky... ok.

after that... huge drop off from appeal to 4/5 of the country.  Weather has nothing to do with it.  The other schools have historically sucked... and with the lack of great coaches will continue to suck.  The re-invest very little into their

What great player wants to go to Illinois and play infront of 40,000 people?

What great player wants to go play at Indiana infront of 20,000 people.

Indiana and Illinois are already reaping obscene profits from their television network and both those schools would take a loss financially if they ever made a BCS bowl game.

Heck, even Ohio State lost over a million for their NC game against Florida. And Florida lost money on that trip as well.

There is absolutely no incentive for those schools to try harder, they are content sitting back suckling on the teats of Michigan and Ohio State.

Now, if they stopped equal revenue sharing...

remmuh80 wrote: the problem with the big ten....

it stinks. 

OSU, Mich, PSU, Nebraska, Wisky... ok.

after that... huge drop off from appeal to 4/5 of the country.  Weather has nothing to do with it.  The other schools have historically sucked... and with the lack of great coaches will continue to suck.  The re-invest very little into their

What great player wants to go to Illinois and play infront of 40,000 people?

What great player wants to go play at Indiana infront of 20,000 people.

Somehow, I doubt too many HS kids are majoring in History, but those who do will find (depending on source):

7 National Championships for Minnesota
6 for MSU
5 for Illinois
4 for Iowa
2 each for Chicago and Maryland
and one each for Purdue and Rutgers

Keep in mind, I don't find this info particularly relevant, but apparently you do.

remmuh80 wrote: the problem with the big ten....

it stinks. 

OSU, Mich, PSU, Nebraska, Wisky... ok.

after that... huge drop off from appeal to 4/5 of the country.  Weather has nothing to do with it.  The other schools have historically sucked... and with the lack of great coaches will continue to suck.  The re-invest very little into their

What great player wants to go to Illinois and play infront of 40,000 people?

What great player wants to go play at Indiana infront of 20,000 people.

How many of those since you have been alive, though, lum?

In other news, the just-signed 2013 recruiting class of kids was in fifth grade the last time somebody other than an SEC school was national champion.

lumbergh wrote: Somehow, I doubt too many HS kids are majoring in History, but those who do will find (depending on source):

7 National Championships for Minnesota
6 for MSU
5 for Illinois
4 for Iowa
2 each for Chicago and Maryland
and one each for Purdue and Rutgers

Keep in mind, I don't find this info particularly relevant, but apparently you do.

remmuh80 wrote: the problem with the big ten....

it stinks. 

OSU, Mich, PSU, Nebraska, Wisky... ok.

after that... huge drop off from appeal to 4/5 of the country.  Weather has nothing to do with it.  The other schools have historically sucked... and with the lack of great coaches will continue to suck.  The re-invest very little into their

What great player wants to go to Illinois and play infront of 40,000 people?

What great player wants to go play at Indiana infront of 20,000 people.

Your question would probably be better directed to the poster(s) concerned with the history of college football.

And news is, by definition, "new".  Not sure the 2006 college football season qualifies in the eyes of sixteen-year-olds.

SeattleNDfan wrote: How many of those since you have been alive, though, lum?

In other news, the just-signed 2013 recruiting class of kids was in fifth grade the last time somebody other than an SEC school was national champion.

lumbergh wrote: Somehow, I doubt too many HS kids are majoring in History, but those who do will find (depending on source):

7 National Championships for Minnesota
6 for MSU
5 for Illinois
4 for Iowa
2 each for Chicago and Maryland
and one each for Purdue and Rutgers

Keep in mind, I don't find this info particularly relevant, but apparently you do.

remmuh80 wrote: the problem with the big ten....

it stinks. 

OSU, Mich, PSU, Nebraska, Wisky... ok.

after that... huge drop off from appeal to 4/5 of the country.  Weather has nothing to do with it.  The other schools have historically sucked... and with the lack of great coaches will continue to suck.  The re-invest very little into their

What great player wants to go to Illinois and play infront of 40,000 people?

What great player wants to go play at Indiana infront of 20,000 people.

I thought it relevant because in the context of his rant, remmuh80 was pretty clearly referencing recent history, not all time history.

You have to keep in mind when reading these posts who the posters are. Remmuh80 is a young turk.

lumbergh wrote: Your question would probably be better directed to the poster(s) concerned with the history of college football.

And news is, by definition, "new".  Not sure the 2006 college football season qualifies in the eyes of sixteen-year-olds.

Oh, I do my best to post with all sorts of readers in mind, but I was unaware Remmuh was a young'un.  Well, so concludeth today's lesson in college football history proper.

Though I should point out I thought the oddity surrounding Remmuh's post and many like it was precisely that he seemed to have no exact time frame (past, present, or future) in mind.

Anybody can be said to suck if you keep changing both the relevant timeline and criteria for success (say wins vs. attendance).

SeattleNDfan wrote: I thought it relevant because in the context of his rant, remmuh80 was pretty clearly referencing recent history, not all time history.

You have to keep in mind when reading these posts who the posters are. Remmuh80 is a young turk.

lumbergh wrote: Your question would probably be better directed to the poster(s) concerned with the history of college football.

And news is, by definition, "new".  Not sure the 2006 college football season qualifies in the eyes of sixteen-year-olds.

It sure as heck is good in hoops this year, but lately in football, it hasn't been good and this is why IMO...

at the end of the year, we look at bowl games right? How many big ten teams have to play in california (rose) texas (dallas bowl), and florida (gator, Capital, Outback). IN these bowls, the big ten has to play the pac 12 champs, a good B12 team (see purdue getting humiliated by the pokes) and finally, three tough SEC teams really.

The farm beat wisky
osu smacks purdue
South carolina beats meat
georgia beat nebraska
finally northwestern won a bowl game but they beat a crud miss st team

It doesn't help that in the pre-league games they lose to lesser conference opponents.

Tied to the fact that the suckeyes and lions are on double secret probation...that doesn't help.

Perception at the end of the year has not helped the big 10 for the past few years in my mind, their bowl tie ins have overwhelmed them as a whole.

ndirish951 wrote: Living in Ohio I can assure you that there is no reasoning with the average B1G fan. They cannot comprehend the fact that we do not want to join that conference. The ACC may be a sinking ship but I think ND would be more like to join a retooled Big 12 before they joined the B1G simply because of the rules on television contracts.

Also, I'm not sure how the B1G fans can blame weather for their bad recruiting performances when ND, OSU and Michigan were all concensus top 10 classes and all 3 of those schools were able to pull southern kids up north.

I don't get how the ACC is suddenly a sinking ship because they lost one school (Maryland) who was in deep financial straits and made the move literally only for the TV revenue.

To wit:  

Only three schools have won or shared Big Ten Championships since 2005 - MSU, aOSU, and Wisconsin.

Even these can't claim to be consistent juggernauts in-conference.

Wisconsin was 4-4 this year in regular season conference play.  MSU was 3-5.

aOSU was 3-5 the year before.

lumbergh wrote: I should point out I thought the oddity surrounding Remmuh's post and many like it was precisely that he seemed to have no exact time frame (past, present, or future) in mind.

SeattleNDfan wrote: I thought it relevant because in the context of his rant, remmuh80 was pretty clearly referencing recent history, not all time history.

You've caught on to a big part of it.

Usually, losses out of conference haven't only been away games - they have been to higher tier teams from rival conferences.

The other big part is they have the most parity of any conference and they beat up on each other.  Reality directly opposes popular belief in this regard.

In reality, the Big Ten has been an elite football conference lately by any intelligent in-depth analysis of on-field product.

tsneddon wrote: It sure as heck is good in hoops this year, but lately in football, it hasn't been good and this is why IMO...

at the end of the year, we look at bowl games right? How many big ten teams have to play in california (rose) texas (dallas bowl), and florida (gator, Capital, Outback). IN these bowls, the big ten has to play the pac 12 champs, a good B12 team (see purdue getting humiliated by the pokes) and finally, three tough SEC teams really.

The farm beat wisky
osu smacks purdue
South carolina beats meat
georgia beat nebraska
finally northwestern won a bowl game but they beat a crud miss st team

It doesn't help that in the pre-league games they lose to lesser conference opponents.

Tied to the fact that the suckeyes and lions are on double secret probation...that doesn't help.

Perception at the end of the year has not helped the big 10 for the past few years in my mind, their bowl tie ins have overwhelmed them as a whole.

GoldRushND wrote:

ndirish951 wrote: Living in Ohio I can assure you that there is no reasoning with the average B1G fan. They cannot comprehend the fact that we do not want to join that conference. The ACC may be a sinking ship but I think ND would be more like to join a retooled Big 12 before they joined the B1G simply because of the rules on television contracts.

Also, I'm not sure how the B1G fans can blame weather for their bad recruiting performances when ND, OSU and Michigan were all concensus top 10 classes and all 3 of those schools were able to pull southern kids up north.

I don't get how the ACC is suddenly a sinking ship because they lost one school (Maryland) who was in deep financial straits and made the move literally only for the TV revenue.

I said the ACC may be a sinking ship not that it is. The future of conference realignment is anyone's guess. It's pretty clear that the B1G and SEC aren't going anywhere and if those conferences choose to expand I think the ACC would be cherry picked.

I love it when the michigan fans cry about ND not joining their conference.

Or when they get all pissy & act like they don't want ND.

The big10 couldn't force ND to do anything... we all know what happened the last time they tried to force ND into something.


GO IRISH!!!

Sounds good.

Big Ten: Duke, ND, UVa, Wake, UNC, GT, Miami

SEC: Syracuse, Pitt, Clemson, VT, FSU, NC St., L'Ville

ndirish951 wrote: It's pretty clear that the B1G and SEC aren't going anywhere and if those conferences choose to expand I think the ACC would be cherry picked.