2013 class is signed, sealed, and soon to be delivered. Time to look at 2014.  Here's who I think we get.

QB Brandon Dawkins
RB Sony Michel
WR Justin Brent
WR Mark Andrews
WR Drake Harris
TE Jeb Blazevich
OL Jimmy Byrne
OL Mason Cole
OL KC McDermott
OL Jamarco Jones
DT Jay Hayes
DT Enoch Smith Jr.
DE Andrew Trumbetti
DE Malik McDowell
DE/OLB Lorenzo Carter
LB Greer Martini
LB Dillon Bates
CB Jalen Tabor
CB Tony Brown
ATH Tommy Mister

By position, where do you think our needs are at?  What is the break down by position?  I know CBK said his focus is always OL and DL.  Just curious to see everyones break down.
Here is mine:

QB	1
RB	1
WR	3
TE	1
OL	4
DT	1
DE	4
LB	4
CB	3
S	2
ST	1

I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

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--- lumbergh wrote:

I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

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?????? What? Why would MSU be a great place for a receiver? I can't even name one from last season

Plax was a long time ago and hey don't have a QB

lumbergh wrote: I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

MSU was an attractive place for a receiver when they had an effective passing QB.

Andrew Maxwell looks like he has a ways to go still to be that.

Charles Rogers! Andre Rison!

MSU seems more like a ground and pound team now.

First, I disagree a bit with Seattle on Maxwell.  Second, MSU has always been a ground a pound team, but that doesn't change the fact that they've put out more top players at WR over the years than any other position.

Anyways, I wasn't referring to any of that.  I was alluding to the fact that their WR's are the worst I have ever seen.

Playing time and opportunity to be featured.  That was my point.

**Also note Maxwell will be gone before Harris enrolls anywhere.

PotentialProphet wrote:
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--- lumbergh wrote:

I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

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?????? What? Why would MSU be a great place for a receiver? I can't even name one from last season

Plax was a long time ago and hey don't have a QB

Going with a class of 20 (18 available, but with a transfer, Tuitt to the NFL, injury).

QB: 1: Dawkins
RB: 1-2 Elijah Hood (Michels, Jones)
WR: 2-3 Brent (Snodgrass, Quick, Scott, Andrews)
TE: Nic Weishar
OL: 4 Byrne, Cole, Pierschbacher (flip)

DL: 4 Hayes, Enoch Smith Jr. Trumbetti, Andrew Williams (Khairi Clark, McDowell, Evans)
LB: 3-4 Martini, Nyles Morgan, Dillion Bates
DB: 2-3 Peppers, Quincy Wilson, Tommy Mister

We only have 18 available, even with not filled the 2013 class?

Gr84irish wrote: By position, where do you think our needs are at?  What is the break down by position?  I know CBK said his focus is always OL and DL.  Just curious to see everyones break down.
Here is mine:

QB	1
RB	1
WR	3
TE	1
OL	4
DT	1
DE	4
LB	4
CB	3
S	2
ST	1

Right now the class looks to be 18-20...

QB-----1...Always, Always, Always
RB-----1...elite player (Elijah Hood, Sony Michel, Leonard Fournette, etc.)
WR----3...need a top guy here (GREAT shot at landing Drake Harris)
TE-----1
OL-----4
DL-----4...one being a swing CAT/DE (Andrew Williams)
LB-----2...both ILB
CB-----2
S------2

Nyles Morgan please.

Lol, I was wondering if there was a different way on interpreting your posts.

Your mind is not easy to adjust to.

I agree, and they did sign a 4 star QB that looks good.  Hell, I would just start him now or sit him for 1 year and try to recruit some stud WR.  They don't have much to lose.

One year they look unstoppable, Heisman candidate, B1G champ game, could have gone to a BCS, Beat Georgia.

....next year, they go 6-6 and got lucky at that.  No one on their team can catch or throw beyond their TE.  They put all their eggs in the RB basket and teams just loaded the box.

Stinks for them.  I like it when they are competitive and beating Michigan.

lumbergh wrote: First, I disagree a bit with Seattle on Maxwell.  Second, MSU has always been a ground a pound team, but that doesn't change the fact that they've put out more top players at WR over the years than any other position.

Anyways, I wasn't referring to any of that.  I was alluding to the fact that their WR's are the worst I have ever seen.

Playing time and opportunity to be featured.  That was my point.

**Also note Maxwell will be gone before Harris enrolls anywhere.

PotentialProphet wrote:
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--- lumbergh wrote:

I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

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?????? What? Why would MSU be a great place for a receiver? I can't even name one from last season

Plax was a long time ago and hey don't have a QB

Curious if we have some predictions this early last year and who was the closest...

GoIrish22 wrote:

Gr84irish wrote: By position, where do you think our needs are at?  What is the break down by position?  I know CBK said his focus is always OL and DL.  Just curious to see everyones break down.
Here is mine:

QB	1
RB	1
WR	3
TE	1
OL	4
DT	1
DE	4
LB	4
CB	3
S	2
ST	1

Right now the class looks to be 18-20...

QB-----1...Always, Always, Always
RB-----1...elite player (Elijah Hood, Sony Michel, Leonard Fournette, etc.)
WR----3...need a top guy here (GREAT shot at landing Drake Harris)
TE-----1
OL-----4
DL-----4...one being a swing CAT/DE (Andrew Williams)
LB-----2...both ILB
CB-----2
S------2

Unless a couple of the many safeties that signed last year leave, I think ND could get by with 1 top tier safety (top 10-15 rated) & use that extra slot on another DT/NG.

I really would like to see us grab a top DE and DB this year. I am also interested to see how we do in Oh this year against Urban and if we can pull a few more out of the SW and SE with the new agreements and neutral site games to emphasize.

Feel free to play with my antennae.



As it was they were very competitive in all games but one, and Michigan was one of several teams fortunate to pull out a victory.   Ain't no big cause for concern in Spartyland.

PotentialProphet wrote: Lol, I was wondering if there was a different way on interpreting your posts.

Your mind is not easy to adjust to.

I agree, and they did sign a 4 star QB that looks good.  Hell, I would just start him now or sit him for 1 year and try to recruit some stud WR.  They don't have much to lose.

One year they look unstoppable, Heisman candidate, B1G champ game, could have gone to a BCS, Beat Georgia.

....next year, they go 6-6 and got lucky at that.  No one on their team can catch or throw beyond their TE.  They put all their eggs in the RB basket and teams just loaded the box.

Stinks for them.  I like it when they are competitive and beating Michigan.

lumbergh wrote: First, I disagree a bit with Seattle on Maxwell.  Second, MSU has always been a ground a pound team, but that doesn't change the fact that they've put out more top players at WR over the years than any other position.

Anyways, I wasn't referring to any of that.  I was alluding to the fact that their WR's are the worst I have ever seen.

Playing time and opportunity to be featured.  That was my point.

**Also note Maxwell will be gone before Harris enrolls anywhere.

PotentialProphet wrote:
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--- lumbergh wrote:

I wasn't aware Drake Harris had reopened his recruitment.  If I was a WR, MSU would be very attractive, but I just hope he either stays with them or heads to ND.  I hear he's a phenomenal playmaker/athlete.

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?????? What? Why would MSU be a great place for a receiver? I can't even name one from last season

Plax was a long time ago and hey don't have a QB

i say we take 19 with our extra 1 schollie left over from this year..

I know the math may not agree with my prediction now, but I say we end up taking more than 20. Maybe 22-23.

I figure if by the end we are in the running for some top players, they will make room for them.

As far as how 247sports lists the recruits lists. A few notes on who is in the lead group for some of our targets

Jabrill Peppers - Ohio St. & Stanford 
Sony Michel - ND & Georgia 
Tyler Luatua - Alabama & USC 
Brandon Dawkins - Notre Dame, Alabama, and Tennessee
Elijah Hood - ND
Nic Weishar - ND
Jacob McCrary - Clemson
Terry Googer - ND, Louisville, South Carolina, Georgia
Tony Brown - LSU
Malik McDowell - ND & Michigan
Jalen Tabor - ND, Bama, UF, & FSU
KC McDermott - ND & Miami
Jamal Adams - OU & Texas
Mason Cole - ND, Bama, Michigan, & USC
Andrew Trumbetti - ND
Thaddeus Snodgrass - OSU
Sam Mustipher - ND & OSU
Tommy Mister - ND
Corey Holmes - Michigan
Enoch Smith - ND
Nathan Starks - OU
Jesse Aniebonam - Maryland
Nick Wilson - ND, Boise & Arizona
Lonnie Johnson - OSU

We will see how it all plays out. Towards the end of recruitment there will be some names not even on our list now considering us.

sixtyheim wrote: As far as how 247sports lists the recruits lists. A few notes on who is in the lead group for some of our targets

Jabrill Peppers - Ohio St. & Stanford 
Sony Michel - ND & Georgia 
Tyler Luatua - Alabama & USC 
Brandon Dawkins - Notre Dame, Alabama, and Tennessee
Elijah Hood - ND
Nic Weishar - ND
Jacob McCrary - Clemson
Terry Googer - ND, Louisville, South Carolina, Georgia
Tony Brown - LSU
Malik McDowell - ND & Michigan
Jalen Tabor - ND, Bama, UF, & FSU
KC McDermott - ND & Miami
Jamal Adams - OU & Texas
Mason Cole - ND, Bama, Michigan, & USC
Andrew Trumbetti - ND
Thaddeus Snodgrass - OSU
Sam Mustipher - ND & OSU
Tommy Mister - ND
Corey Holmes - Michigan
Enoch Smith - ND
Nathan Starks - OU
Jesse Aniebonam - Maryland
Nick Wilson - ND, Boise & Arizona
Lonnie Johnson - OSU