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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:43 PM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
sgvdomer wrote:
Jetmanlee wrote:
sgvdomer wrote:
Jetmanlee wrote:
sgvdomer wrote:
sladdy66 wrote: Bleacher Report is a joke.
When there's smoke, there's fire. It merely mentions what SI has reported. Deer velvet spray, com'on dude. Do you really believe that bama beat LSU because three backup players may have spayed some deer antler velvet spray under their tounge two days before the game, please. Perhaps the deer velvet spray is a tad ridiculous, but I'm merely pointing out
the fact that anytime there's a rumor in the sporting world lately, it has been proven to be true. So stay tuned for this one if it picks up steam. You no why Deer Velvet spray is a tad ridiculous, because it cannot deliver HGH to the body. The only way to deliver HGH to body is thru a injection. The Velvet stuff is like eating steak or drinking Milk since both carry the ban substance of NCGI. Steak and Milk carry the same ban substance that is why no one will ever fail a test.
I listen to these guys this morning and must say they made alot of sense, they said, they Had no Idea why NCAA banned Deer velvet spray, since you will never fail a drug test of anykind taking it and then some doctor from John Hopkins came on and said the samething, they did. They compared it creatine when they banned it and they had to lift the ban because no one could test for creatine and he says no one can test for natural NCGI. Let's point out the facts:
1. Deer antler velvet is essentially a growth hormone called "insulin-like growth
factor 1," or IGF-1.
2. It is not approved by the FDA because not enough research has been done.
3. It is banned by the NFL.
It IS a growth hormone. Whether or not it really helps humans has yet to be determined. Nevertheless, why would a future NFL Hall of Famer risk his health
taking this if it's completely worthless? I. one cannot deliver HGH/IGF I to the body thru a oraly spray, it is medically impossible. That is why you could take a thousand bottles of this stuff in a week and you would not fail a test, period. Steak,Milk,Fish all have IGF I in them are we going to banned those foods and drinks, of course not. You will also intake more IGF I from a steak than three shots of the Velvet stuff. II. Dude, name anything you buy in the GNC that is FDA approved not much of anything. III. It is banned but it cannot be tested, because you cannot deliver HGH/IGF I thru a oral spray. Remember Creatine was banned for awhile also and the banned was lifted because there was no way to test for it. IIII. I don't think it has been proven Lewis took any of it, he more than likely took the chips but I careless, antler velvet spray is safe, the chinese have been using it for over a thousand years in some form. THis is like Yomhibe bark, Gurana herb, horney goat weed, stuff that has been around for thousand of years. |
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:11 PM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
Jetman is working himself into a lather on this, it's pretty hilarious Common sense tells us that the schools mentioned in the latest news(Bama, LSU) have rosters full of kids using PED's. unfortunately, common sense is not common practice Common sense also tells us that MANY NFL players use PED's I have a solution to the antler debate, I ordered a crap load of it once I heard it was banned by the NFL. I'll let you all know how it works --------------------------------------------- --- Jetmanlee wrote: sgvdomer wrote:
Jetmanlee wrote:
sgvdomer wrote:
Jetmanlee wrote:
sgvdomer wrote:
sladdy66 wrote: Bleacher Report is a joke.
When there's smoke, there's fire. It merely mentions what SI has reported. Deer velvet spray, com'on dude. Do you really believe that bama beat LSU because three backup players may have spayed some deer antler velvet spray under their tounge two days before the game, please. Perhaps the deer velvet spray is a tad ridiculous, but I'm merely pointing out
the fact that anytime there's a rumor in the sporting world lately, it has been proven to be true. So stay tuned for this one if it picks up steam. You no why Deer Velvet spray is a tad ridiculous, because it cannot deliver HGH to the body. The only way to deliver HGH to body is thru a injection. The Velvet stuff is like eating steak or drinking Milk since both carry the ban substance of NCGI. Steak and Milk carry the same ban substance that is why no one will ever fail a test.
I listen to these guys this morning and must say they made alot of sense, they said, they Had no Idea why NCAA banned Deer velvet spray, since you will never fail a drug test of anykind taking it and then some doctor from John Hopkins came on and said the samething, they did. They compared it creatine when they banned it and they had to lift the ban because no one could test for creatine and he says no one can test for natural NCGI. Let's point out the facts:
1. Deer antler velvet is essentially a growth hormone called "insulin-like growth
factor 1," or IGF-1.
2. It is not approved by the FDA because not enough research has been done.
3. It is banned by the NFL.
It IS a growth hormone. Whether or not it really helps humans has yet to be determined. Nevertheless, why would a future NFL Hall of Famer risk his health
taking this if it's completely worthless? I. one cannot deliver HGH/IGF I to the body thru a oraly spray, it is medically impossible. That is why you could take a thousand bottles of this stuff in a week and you would not fail a test, period. Steak,Milk,Fish all have IGF I in them are we going to banned those foods and drinks, of course not. You will also intake more IGF I from a steak than three shots of the Velvet stuff. II. Dude, name anything you buy in the GNC that is FDA approved not much of anything. III. It is banned but it cannot be tested, because you cannot deliver HGH/IGF I thru a oral spray. Remember Creatine was banned for awhile also and the banned was lifted because there was no way to test for it. IIII. I don't think it has been proven Lewis took any of it, he more than likely took the chips but I careless, antler velvet spray is safe, the chinese have been using it for over a thousand years in some form. THis is like Yomhibe bark, Gurana herb, horney goat weed, stuff that has been around for thousand of years. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 9:34 PM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
If this is harmless, why would the NFL and the NCAA ban the product? Any doctors on this board?
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Posted: 2/3/2013 2:23 AM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
SadIrishEyes wrote: If this is harmless, why would the NFL and the NCAA ban the product? Any doctors on this board? Think about it, it is easier for the NFL and NCAA to just ban it, becasue that means they don't have to test it. It is a proven medical fact that IGF I the banned substance cannot be processed in the body by using a oral spray, if it could people who have to take HGH would use a oral spray and not use a needle. HGH can only be processed in the body using a injection. Mike and Mike were asking why it was banned they were never given a good reason, the reason is nfl and ncaa do not want acknowledge a difference between natural and Phamra grade IGF I. |
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Posted: 2/3/2013 6:07 AM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
I'm going to be honest. When I looked at Bama's advantages I did think something. You can't tell me Alabama's S&C is that much better than Longo's. Longo is a nationally respected innovator in the field and a prominent S&C guy. Recruiting wise, what we have on the DL absolutely equalled what Alabama had on the OL. Generally, we physically should match up. Why didn't we? Why weren't we anywhere close? To not be in the same ballpark, despite similar personell and training... Again, anyone who thinks it's Bama's training is a Bama homer or isn't thinking clearly.
Now keep in mind that I have also suspected certain ND players of juicing (e.g., Ricky Watters sure changed his body type overnight back in the day), and so I don't think it's a holier than thou thing. I just look at it logically and that's the conclusion.
One thing is clear from the deer antler stuff, and that is if Bama players have something they can try, they will try it, at least legal stuff...
I'd be suprised if a significant number weren't juiced.
You could say the same thing about ND players if you wanted, but I don't think the culture in South Bend really supports that too much. It would be a lot harder. Do some do it anyway? Probably. Maybe. Whatever.
But I gotta be honest. The BS detector was activated after that game. I have no proof other than having been around the block a lot in the sports world, just being old... The evidence and logical explanations are just outweighed by what I saw. You can't explain it. A Bama homer thinks they can, but they are deluding themselves, I am afraid. There is no justification or explanation for that amount of physical difference, when you have the same type of athlete and the same type and quality (elite) S&C program. Fact is, there is no other logical or common explanation for what I saw, at least in my own mind.
I'm not trying to say anyone else should believe as I do. I'm not. Just being honest.
Last edited 2/3/2013 6:18 AM by 3NDegrees
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Posted: 2/3/2013 1:33 PM
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I can't follow your logic, if they ban it then they don't have to test for it? Isn't the point of testing to see if people are using banned substances because said substances provide advantages over natural strength/athleticism? My Sh!t Detector has been going off for a while concerning PED use in NFL and NCAA football. Quite frankly, it's impossible for it not to be widespread. If the sport of CYCLING has a problem I cannot believe that the most physically demanding, painful, and injury prone sport on the planet doesn't have an issue as well. At some point this whole thing will unravel and when we see the schools and names we'll all think to ourselves, "Duh" --------------------------------------------- --- Jetmanlee wrote: SadIrishEyes wrote: If this is harmless, why would the NFL and the NCAA ban the product? Any doctors on this board? Think about it, it is easier for the NFL and NCAA to just ban it, becasue that means they don't have to test it. It is a proven medical fact that IGF I the banned substance cannot be processed in the body by using a oral spray, if it could people who have to take HGH would use a oral spray and not use a needle. HGH can only be processed in the body using a injection. Mike and Mike were asking why it was banned they were never given a good reason, the reason is nfl and ncaa do not want acknowledge a difference between natural and Phamra grade IGF I. --------------------------------------------- |
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Posted: 2/5/2013 3:07 PM
Re: Did Alabama Take Steroids During the Big Game?
They are banning the excuses, see, the ncaa,nfl,PGa, or whoever still considers ICF I a banned substance but if they lifted the ban on deer antler spray or any over the counter product claiming to have ICF I in it, then Players would say they were taking that product instead of using the real thing, which is injectable ICF I, you know the NFLPA would blame the test on deer antler spray. So, it is much easier for the ncaa,nfl,pga, or whoever to just ban ICG I, because right now you will not test postive for anything using, Deer antler spray. That is just a fact and the ncaa only test for HGH once every five years and the NFL does not even test for it yet, mainly because you can hardly test for it. The reason oral spray does not work is because if it did, all people now have to be injected with hgh/ICF I for the body to process and most would rather just use a oral spray, well it does not work. |
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Posted: 2/5/2013 6:42 PM
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Jetmanlee wrote: They are banning the excuses, see, the ncaa,nfl,PGa, or whoever still considers ICF I a banned substance but if they lifted the ban on deer antler spray or any over the counter product claiming to have ICF I in it, then Players would say they were taking that product instead of using the real thing, which is injectable ICF I, you know the NFLPA would blame the test on deer antler spray. So, it is much easier for the ncaa,nfl,pga, or whoever to just ban ICG I, because right now you will not test postive for anything using, Deer antler spray. That is just a fact and the ncaa only test for HGH once every five years and the NFL does not even test for it yet, mainly because you can hardly test for it. The reason oral spray does not work is because if it did, all people now have to be injected with hgh/ICF I for the body to process and most would rather just use a oral spray, well it does not work. Deer antler works orally for whatever it works for. It has always been taken orally in the history of humanity. Orally, it works for helping "man situations", shall we say, when combined with a couple other things. I can verify that one. This idea it can't work orally is superficial, because it is stated by people who don't know or care how it does work, or if it does. I think it works to help general vitality, in any case. The chinese haven't kept using it for nothing. They are just as smart as we are. That is different from saying it should be illegal. I don't really understand why it's illegal, if it doesn't work exactly like steroids or injected growth hormone. If it works as a general health and vitality/virility supplement, maybe every program should start using it?
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Posted: 2/5/2013 7:01 PM
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Deer antler can be enjoyed any number of ways. I can verif... um, so I've heard.  3NDegrees wrote: Deer antler works orally for whatever it works for. It has always been taken orally in the history of humanity. Orally, it works for helping "man situations", shall we say, when combined with a couple other things. I can verify that one.
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