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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:08 PM

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Yes we were 7 - 28 from three point land, but literally all of them were uncontested.

Yes, Tinnon rebounded incredibly the second half, but we struggled on the boards the first half.

That was one of the first games where I thought it was solely on Tommy H.  Everytime down the floor the guys were looking to the sidelines for an answer, and nothing was coming.

Very poor game plan defensively.  Never altered from the straight up man.  No ball you man.  Help side defense was non existent.  No zone.

No answers all night.

Switching gears to the fans...where were they?  Did it rain too much? 

And what athletic department permits intramurals to be played on campus the night of a home bball game????

Frustrating.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:33 PM

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AaronPerkins wrote: Yes we were 7 - 28 from three point land, but literally all of them were uncontested.

Yes, Tinnon rebounded incredibly the second half, but we struggled on the boards the first half.

That was one of the first games where I thought it was solely on Tommy H.  Everytime down the floor the guys were looking to the sidelines for an answer, and nothing was coming.

Very poor game plan defensively.  Never altered from the straight up man.  No ball you man.  Help side defense was non existent.  No zone.

No answers all night.

Switching gears to the fans...where were they?  Did it rain too much? 

And what athletic department permits intramurals to be played on campus the night of a home bball game????

Frustrating.
it was a very tough one to watch. As I told you tonight, Aaron, if we were bad all the time, I could live with that, but we've seen a very good team on the floor a number of times this year. I sure hope we can get better before the trip to Tulsa.
Today, I consider myself, the luckiest man on the face of the earth
                                 
                                                            ----Lou Gehrig
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:59 PM

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We did go zone for two possessions in the first half, and for a possession or two in the second half.

But as deliberate as they were, zone wasn't the answer. Much like agianst Tulsa the key was trying to get to speed them up which when we made shots we were able to do with the full court defense, but when you can't make a shot, it's very tough to fall back into a zone.

Offensviely tonight was a classic example of a team that was smart and valued each possession vs a team that is very impatient and in a panic.

SMU valued every possession as if it were a 2 point game each time down the court. They passed up many open looks from the perimeter, in favor of ball movement work clock and continue to run their offense for a open 8-12 footer which is a much more high percentage shot.

We on the other hand, fired at the first open look. 28 3-pt attempts is exactly what SMU wanted. Twice tonight we attacked the zone with penatration which is the only way you are going to be effective on offense against it. One led to a Tinnon missed 4 footer, which was a good shot, the other Kane was fouled and went to the line.

The elbows and short corners were open all night long, but when we got the ball there, NOBODY looked to drive to the rim, it was kick it out as quick as possible for a 3. Awful decisions with the ball.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:04 PM

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The other thing that was noticable tonight, and would exepct nothing different from a Coach that's been around as long as Larry Brown, but SMU played about 90% 2-3 zone tonight, but after EVERY time-out they came out and played a different defense than the one they played on the possession before play was stopped.

They usually came out of a time-out in a 1-3-1, or a 3-2, or a couple times flat man-man. But it was just for a possesssion then back to the 2-3.

Why is that a big deal? Because going into the time-out they playing 2-3 zone, that's what our gameplan was going to be focused on during the time out. They come out in something different, we just wasted the time out as far a what to do against the 2-3. Then by the time they go back to the 2-3 a possession or two later most of the time, we forget what Herrion drew up during the time out.

Great move by SMU.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:17 PM

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Agree, however, I never felt we were just chucking up the first open three. In fact, MULTIPLE times, Scarver and Kane turned down wide open threes. Not just a few times, but a lot of times. When your big men are non factors offensively, what else do you do.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:22 PM

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I thought especially the second half we were shooting a lot of shots very early in the shot clock.

But that's what I meant when we did get the ball to the baseline, and/or the the elbow nobody looked to do anything with it. Spikes caught it there a few times, but he wants no part of anything, Tinnon went to the basket once from the baseline, and Kane got it at the foul line many times, but then would kick to Scarver or Pittman. I was really hoping that Kane would just say screw it, catch it at the foul line and go to work, and attack the basket.

We did absolutely no penatration. Just threw it around the perimeter, or throw it to the elbow and right back outside.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:24 PM

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He did say screw it a couple times, which led to many of our more intelligent fans to start yelling at him to show it more Kane, come on shoot it more Kane, very sarcastically of course.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:28 PM

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I wish he would've done it more!! It was there for the taking!!
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:29 PM

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I agree.

I feel bad for Herrion. I want him to succeed so bad. I know he has went through a lot while here, and I really think he would stick around here for a long time if we were to allow that.

I still say we cant over look last season. I dont want to see him fired.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:31 PM

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Also, I don't know what practice has been like, the gym wasn't very warm tonight, but Pittman and Scarver were limping a lot tonight, and Pittman was rubbing his legs throughout the night.

Very tough to shoot consistantly from 3 if you don't have strong legs under you.

But then again, we have nobody to turn to on the bench.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:34 PM

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I 100% don't think he will be fired, at least not at the end of this year.

If he leaves it will be for personel reasons with the things he's dealing with. But it's very tough for a guy who wants to be a head coach, to walk away from one unless he has another lined up.

Last year we won the games we were supposed to, won close games, and had some luck. This year none of that has happened. In the C-USA tourney, we got some breaks too, it was anyone's game vs Tulsa. But we won it.

But they were wins, that's what counts. But also, good teams create good luck it seems too!!
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:44 PM

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oh well....tme to beat that guy from central florida
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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:23 AM

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cincyherdfan wrote: We did go zone for two possessions in the first half, and for a possession or two in the second half.

But as deliberate as they were, zone wasn't the answer. Much like agianst Tulsa the key was trying to get to speed them up which when we made shots we were able to do with the full court defense, but when you can't make a shot, it's very tough to fall back into a zone.

Offensviely tonight was a classic example of a team that was smart and valued each possession vs a team that is very impatient and in a panic.

SMU valued every possession as if it were a 2 point game each time down the court. They passed up many open looks from the perimeter, in favor of ball movement work clock and continue to run their offense for a open 8-12 footer which is a much more high percentage shot.

We on the other hand, fired at the first open look. 28 3-pt attempts is exactly what SMU wanted. Twice tonight we attacked the zone with penatration which is the only way you are going to be effective on offense against it. One led to a Tinnon missed 4 footer, which was a good shot, the other Kane was fouled and went to the line.

The elbows and short corners were open all night long, but when we got the ball there, NOBODY looked to drive to the rim, it was kick it out as quick as possible for a 3. Awful decisions with the ball.
Tonight was the 4th time this year I've seen SMU. They played offense the same way tonight that they have all year. They like to run 25-30 seconds off the clock everytime down.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:13 AM

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Hell, I'd stick around too if I were making 450K. Tom has been through a lot personally but that said, I dont think he is the right coach for us. Hamrick will let him coach next year. If he can't turn it around in 13-14, he'll likely be fired.

What are the odds of Kane leaving after this season and testing the Pro's. I doubt he gets drafted after this year so he may be better served staying for his senior year. He doesnt want to pull a Whiteside.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:15 AM

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I feel like that was the worst game in a Herd uniform for Pittman. He threw lazy passes, chucked up 3's even when they weren't following instead of using his athleticism to get to the hole, he didn't even try on defense half the time. 

DD Scarver brings little to the table than his shooting ability, I'm 32 years old and haven't played ball in years and I feel like he'd struggle to defend me.

We had a height advantage at every position last night, but instead of posting up Pittman or Kane, or working it inside, we just shot outside all night.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:59 AM

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I dont see Kane staying, but I dont think, at his age, syaing an extra year will help our hurt.

I would love for him to sya another year so he could solidify his status as one of the best to ever play here.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:21 AM

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Pittman spent more time last night looking up in the crowd and generally casting his attention anywhere else than on Herrion. I commented on it to Aaron at the game that he didn't really seem interested in what was going on.

Kane, on the other hand, was trying hard. Our fans dog him because he becomes emotional, but there is no doubt he was out there doing what he could to distribute the ball. The problem is that since he is the only one that can really get our team going, if he has a bad night then everyone has a bad night because most of the players on our team (like a former Herd player said on Twitter) are followers and not leaders.

I really wish Kane would stay, but I don't see it. This team really could use the extra year to gel. Pittman, Scarver, Kane and a core 3 and add Canty and a JUCO center that isn't afraid to pound around under the paint and we really look good in a league with no Memphis to contend with.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:11 PM

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Where would Kane go, Europe?? No shot at playing in the states.

I would be suprised if he left.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:08 PM

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svherd wrote: Hell, I'd stick around too if I were making 450K. Tom has been through a lot personally but that said, I dont think he is the right coach for us. Hamrick will let him coach next year. If he can't turn it around in 13-14, he'll likely be fired.

What are the odds of Kane leaving after this season and testing the Pro's. I doubt he gets drafted after this year so he may be better served staying for his senior year. He doesnt want to pull a Whiteside.
Herrion just recently purchased a new house in Huntington. He obviously has all intentions of working things out.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:21 AM

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cincyherdfan wrote: Where would Kane go, Europe?? No shot at playing in the states.

I would be suprised if he left.
He'd work out for the pros, probably not get drafted, get an invite to play summer league, not get a roster spot, and either play in the D League or go play in Europe and get paid. He'll be 24 this summer...he might just decide it is time to see what he can do at the next level.
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