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Putting salaries in perspective

Posted: 1/3/2013 2:53 PM

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Just to put salaries in perspective. Doc makes around $600k, our coordinators make $170k (or in that ballpark) and the rest of our assistants make less than $100k...

Arkansas beat writer Robbie Niswanger reports that Hogs linebackers coach Randy Shannon will earn $315,000, cornerbacks coach Taver Johnson will make $250,000, wide receivers coach George McDonald will make $275,000 and running backs coach Joel Thomas will earn $235,000.

Tennessee: Salaries...Butch Jones ($2.95 million), OC Mike Bajakian and DC John Jancek will each make $475,000, OL Don Mahoney will make $350,000, RBs Jay Graham makes $260,000, WRs Zach Azzanni will make $300,000, TEs / STC Mark Elder will make $220,000, DL Steve Stripling will make $380,000, Willie Martinez will make $280,000 and Tommy Thigpen will make $345,000. Strength & Conditioning coach Dave Lawson will earn $175,000.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:55 PM

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Oh, the great iherdya, great to have you over here...love your witty, factual retorts on other boards.

That really does put things a bit more in perspective doesnt it.

The fact that we are competitive in todays game says a lot about our staff.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 2:58 PM

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Coaches used to largely use CUSA schools as stepping stones to bigger head coaching jobs, but as salaries go up in BCS conferences (and with the new tv deals, playoff money, etc this will only continue to go up) it would be almost better to be a coordinator in the SEC as a stepping stone to a better head coaching gig. Similar pay, less responsibilities, etc. The coordinators at Tennessee are making only 20% less than what Doc makes, if they have a couple dominate/good years as a coordinator there it will open as many doors as it would coming to Marshall, MTSU, etc as a head coach...
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:14 PM

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You are not comparing Apples to Apples.

Doc coaches at a C-USA school not an SEC school.

Compare Doc's salary with other schools from the MAC, C-USA, Mountain West and SunBelt where the cost of living is comparable to the cost of living in Huntington WV. When Tennessee and Arkansas hired coaches the last few years Doc or any of his assistants phones rang.

Doc makes $600,000 in WV. in WV on 600,000 Doc has a very good lifestyle. Doc has made almost 2 million dollars in his three seasons at Marshall. Doc could quit today and never have to work another day in his life if he didn't blow all his money.

The Coordinators are making $170,000 in WV Still living a very good lifestyle not doing without much.

Even the position coaches at $100,000 are living pretty good providing for their families at a higher level than the majority in WV and they are not forced to have to get a real job.

Any of the three jobs listed and their salaries is a darn good living in WV. Cost of living here is as low as it is anywhere in the country. And all are making well above the average per capita in WV for coaching football.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:21 PM

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herd0ne wrote: You are not comparing Apples to Apples.

Doc coaches at a C-USA school not an SEC school.

Compare Doc's salary with other schools from the MAC, C-USA, Mountain West and SunBelt where the cost of living is comparable to the cost of living in Huntington WV. When Tennessee and Arkansas hired coaches the last few years Doc or any of his assistants phones rang.

Doc makes $600,000 in WV. in WV on 600,000 Doc has a very good lifestyle. Doc has made almost 2 million dollars in his three seasons at Marshall. Doc could quit today and never have to work another day in his life if he didn't blow all his money.

The Coordinators are making $170,000 in WV Still living a very good lifestyle not doing without much.

Even the position coaches at $100,000 are living pretty good providing for their families at a higher level than the majority in WV and they are not forced to have to get a real job.

Any of the three jobs listed and their salaries is a darn good living in WV. Cost of living here is as low as it is anywhere in the country. And all are making well above the average per capita in WV for coaching football.
As Tennessee and Arkansas are D1 programs and Marshall is a D1 program it is apples to apples. For the record, Fayettenam and Knoxville are both below average places in terms of cost of living in the USA, Knoxville is actually a little less than Huntington and Fayetteville is almost identical. 

Like I said, unless we drop back down to FCS, which isn't going to happen, or FBS splits, it is an apples to apples comparison. We recruit similar areas as these two schools, we would love to have these assistants, hell the OC at Arkansas State went with Malzahn to Auburn and increased his salary from $100k to $350k. I know several people on Herd boards loved the idea of hiring recently fired Ellis Johnson as our DC at Marshall, instead he went to Auburn as the DC making $800k, 25% more than Doc!
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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:36 PM

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No it is not Apples to Apples. Tennessee and Arkansas play in the SEC. They have a larger financial pool to pull money from for football than Marshall University has for probably the entire University Academics and Sports.

Like I said to compare Marshall coaches you need to compare them with coaches in the MAC, SunBelt, C-USA and Mountain West.

Tennessee has 100,000 fans in the stands for ever home football game. Marshall is lucky to have 25,000.

Those two programs you are trying to compare Marshall to has unlimited resources and money. Marshall does not. They both might play at the same FBS level but they are by no means even close to being on the same level. UWV is not even on the same level as what they can pat assistant coaches as Tennessee.

Why not just compare Marshall to Notre Dame and Ohio State next.

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Posted: 1/3/2013 3:44 PM

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herd0ne wrote: No it is not Apples to Apples. Tennessee and Arkansas play in the SEC. They have a larger financial pool to pull money from for football than Marshall University has for probably the entire University Academics and Sports.

Like I said to compare Marshall coaches you need to compare them with coaches in the MAC, SunBelt, C-USA and Mountain West.

Tennessee has 100,000 fans in the stands for ever home football game. Marshall is lucky to have 25,000.

Those two programs you are trying to compare Marshall to has unlimited resources and money. Marshall does not. They both might play at the same FBS level but they are by no means even close to being on the same level. UWV is not even on the same level as what they can pat assistant coaches as Tennessee.

Why not just compare Marshall to Notre Dame and Ohio State next.
If we only played schools from the MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt, or MWC, and if we recruited players that were only allowed to attend those conferences, and if we had rules that allowed us to only hire coaches from those conferences, then you'd have a point, but it's not like that. We compete with these schools for recruits, for coaches, on the field occasionally, it has shown just how far Marshall has fallen behind and that the gap is widening. 

Again, as I stated in my original post, schools like Marshall used to hire coordinators from these type schools who made $100k-$150k a decade ago as their head coach, give them a pay raise, let them establish themselves before moving back to the SEC, ACC, etc as a head coach. These days, the money is so good as a coordinator in these big conferences it's not worth it to come to Marshall as a head coach, you'd make more as a coordinator in the SEC if you're that good, with a path to a big time HC that is similar. In 2004 Bobby Bowden, one of the greatest coaches of all time made $1.7m as head coach, Bobby Pruett at "lowly" Marshall made $500k as head coach. Fast forward 8 years, and the best head coaches in football are making $4m-$5.5m, whereas at Marshall we are paying $600k.
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Posted: 1/3/2013 5:14 PM

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100k in west virginia is not that much. Especially when it is not guaranteed more than 12 months.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:28 AM

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herd0ne wrote: No it is not Apples to Apples. Tennessee and Arkansas play in the SEC. They have a larger financial pool to pull money from for football than Marshall University has for probably the entire University Academics and Sports.

Like I said to compare Marshall coaches you need to compare them with coaches in the MAC, SunBelt, C-USA and Mountain West.

Tennessee has 100,000 fans in the stands for ever home football game. Marshall is lucky to have 25,000.

Those two programs you are trying to compare Marshall to has unlimited resources and money. Marshall does not. They both might play at the same FBS level but they are by no means even close to being on the same level. UWV is not even on the same level as what they can pat assistant coaches as Tennessee.

Why not just compare Marshall to Notre Dame and Ohio State next.
Exactly, its not a good comparison. While COL may be similar, the financial resources those two school have are unlimited, while Marshall is very limited. UT and Ark. can raise millions in a days time while MU struggles to raise 30 million in 2 years time. I would say we would have to pay about 200K to get a guy like ELko from BG or Heater from Temple - if either are interested.
My fear is Doc will go easy and cheap and hire Dunlap. That would be an epic fail. jmo.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:38 AM

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Dunlap would not be an epic fail, however, Dunlap will not be our next DC.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 8:48 AM

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I think it is actually Macintosh Apples to Granny Smith Apples. Two things that are very similar, but not really the same.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:25 AM

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AaronPerkins wrote: 100k in west virginia is not that much. Especially when it is not guaranteed more than 12 months.

But these coaches at Marshall were hired away from GA jobs where they made how much?

Here is comparing apple to apples..


Per ESPN’s Brett McMurphy and the Associated PressTampa Bay Buccaneers quarterbacks coach and former Illinois coach Ron Turner will be FIU’s new coach. Athletic director Pete Garcia later said Turner signed a five-year contract  with a base salary of $500,000 annually.



And schools in the MAC, C-USA, Moutain West and Sunbelt will continue to hire coordinators from the Big schools. It's not about the money. It's about being a head coach. A few successful years and a big school will hire you as head coach where they will make the big money. 

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