Tweet from Acee: “ @ MrAria:  @ UTKevinAcee What is the likelihood that if Norv is fired, Gruden would be a real option?” >It's one of jobs he's politicked for.

How would everyone else feel about this?  I really wanted either Gruden or Fisher last offseason, but the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure if I would be sold on Gruden.  He inherited the team that Tony Dungy built in Tampa and won the Super Bowl the first year and the team slowly declined every year after that.  Here are some of the 1st rounders while Gruden was there

2004: Michael Clayton (Bust)
2005: Cadillac Williams (Bust)
2006: Davin Joseph (One of the best guards in the league)
2007: Gaines Adams (RIP but was a bust when he played)
2008: Aqib Talib (Bust when you factor in his off-field issues)

Out of 5 1st rounders, we have 4 major busts and 1 great player on the O-line, which is probably one of the easiest positions to hit on in the 1st round.

If Gruden came with a strong personnel guy/GM, I would probably be happy with the hire, but if Gruden wanted full control, I'd say pass and pass strongly.

I think Gruden gets way to much credit from fans for that Super Bowl win and because he is a charismatic likeable guy. There are actually similarities to Norv. They both inherited good teams and slowly brought them down to mediocrity. Gruden managed to hang on for the first year and win the Super Bowl but after that he ruined that team. Honestly I think if he was as good as some fans make him out to be he would have a head coaching job right now. I would pass regardless of who he came with. I look at him as Norv with a more fiery, likeable personality but not actually any better as a coach.

My gut is that AJ would clash with Gruden, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

I hear your point, but Gruden took over a talented team and won a Super Bowl.  Norv took over a talented team and didn't so I wouldn't call them that similar, but I get your point.

Bambi19 wrote: I think Gruden gets way to much credit from fans for that Super Bowl win and because he is a charismatic likeable guy. There are actually similarities to Norv. They both inherited good teams and slowly brought them down to mediocrity. Gruden managed to hang on for the first year and win the Super Bowl but after that he ruined that team. Honestly I think if he was as good as some fans make him out to be he would have a head coaching job right now. I would pass regardless of who he came with. I look at him as Norv with a more fiery, likeable personality but not actually any better as a coach.

Oh, there's 0 percent chance that AJ and Gruden would work together.  To me, it has to be a package deal.  Get rid of AJ and Norv.  I would even argue that AJ is the bigger problem than Norv.

chargers4life wrote: My gut is that AJ would clash with Gruden, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Agree with that.

Win or lose this season, AJ should be fired for gambling our season by not obtaining legitimate depth behind injury prone Gaither. Not to mention, no upgrade to Clary yet again.

SoCalThrilla wrote: Oh, there's 0 percent chance that AJ and Gruden would work together.  To me, it has to be a package deal.  Get rid of AJ and Norv.  I would even argue that AJ is the bigger problem than Norv.

chargers4life wrote: My gut is that AJ would clash with Gruden, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Bambi19 wrote: I think Gruden gets way to much credit from fans for that Super Bowl win and because he is a charismatic likeable guy.  

Well, Norv kind of gets discredited for being the opposite... a dull, lifeless unlikeable guy.  Gruden is the anti-Norv in terms of personalities.

Wait a second - if you're going to give Dungy credit, then you should also give Gruden credit for building up the Raiders squad that Bill Callahan also inherited and took to that very same Super Bowl. There we all witnessed the clear difference between a good coach and a pretender. The year before, Gruden's team very well could've made it the Super Bowl as well if it wasn't for the phony tuck rule call that gave the Pats the win. Sure, we were all content w/ the result, but it was still a BS call. In any case, I'm of the opinion that the man can definitely coach.

Aloha

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

Fair point.

Aloha21 wrote: Wait a second - if you're going to give Dungy credit, then you should also give Gruden credit for building up the Raiders squad that Bill Callahan also inherited and took to that very same Super Bowl. There we all witnessed the clear difference between a good coach and a pretender. The year before, Gruden's team very well could've made it the Super Bowl as well if it wasn't for the phony tuck rule call that gave the Pats the win. Sure, we were all content w/ the result, but it was still a BS call. In any case, I'm of the opinion that the man can definitely coach.

Aloha

I agree, Honk. But it doesn't happen with AJ pulling the strings.

Chargerhonk wrote:

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

Chargerhonk wrote:

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

This needs to be done today.  Millions in fannies in seats revenue is at stake. The lost revenue could easily pay the difference in negotiated salary.

Chargerhonk wrote:

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

He brings fire, passion, intensity, a defensive mind set true........but from all I've heard, he loses the locker room quickly. There's a reason he hasn't had a coaching job for 10 years.

Huh?  You mean 10 years since he's won a Super Bowl?

WesChandler wrote:

Chargerhonk wrote:

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

He brings fire, passion, intensity, a defensive mind set true........but from all I've heard, he loses the locker room quickly. There's a reason he hasn't had a coaching job for 10 years.

SoCalThrilla wrote: Huh?  You mean 10 years since he's won a Super Bowl?

WesChandler wrote:

Chargerhonk wrote:

Gruden is awesome. Love his banter, he knows football....The players would respect him, he brings fire and passion.....something Norval Eugene Turner doesn't!

Bring him in tomorrow. Cut Norv and AJ!

He brings fire, passion, intensity, a defensive mind set true........but from all I've heard, he loses the locker room quickly. There's a reason he hasn't had a coaching job for 10 years.

You are correct. I misspoke, Gruden was fired by the Bucs in 2009 after a total collapse saw Tampa Bay get eliminated from playoff contention. Tampa was on course for homefield advantage  with a 9-3 record in 2008, but went 0-Dec knocking em out of playoff contention. The once stout Tampa defense allowed 30.75 points  per game during that 4 games skid. His post Super Bowl record: 2003-7-9, '04 5-11, '05-11-5, '06 4-12, '07 9-7 Even though I like him alot on MNF. I'll say again. There's a reason why he hasn't coached since.

Ya, Gruden pretty much lost his mind. He was too competitive to handle the losses. In his defense though, he never had a good QB. Winning a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson at QB was very impressive.

WesChandler wrote: 
You are correct. I misspoke, Gruden was fired by the Bucs in 2009 after a total collapse saw Tampa Bay get eliminated from playoff contention. Tampa was on course for homefield advantage in 2008, but went 0-Dec knocking em out. The once stout Tampa defense allowed 30.75 points  per game during that 4 games skid. Even though I like him alot on MNF. I'll say again. There's a reason why he hasn't coached since.

I have to pass, I am all about the guy from Stanford now. Grudens time as a successful coach passed a long time ago. He was on Real Sports a couple of months ago and Gumble pointed out that his record was 57-55 in Tampa, that is mediocer.

Rich Gannon was Oakland's QB and was a stud under Gruden.  Gruden won the SB with Brad Johnson, which was 10x more impressive than Gannon.

chargers4life wrote: Ya, Gruden pretty much lost his mind. He was too competitive to handle the losses. In his defense though, he never had a good QB. Winning a Super Bowl with Rich Gannon at QB was very impressive.

WesChandler wrote: 
You are correct. I misspoke, Gruden was fired by the Bucs in 2009 after a total collapse saw Tampa Bay get eliminated from playoff contention. Tampa was on course for homefield advantage in 2008, but went 0-Dec knocking em out. The once stout Tampa defense allowed 30.75 points  per game during that 4 games skid. Even though I like him alot on MNF. I'll say again. There's a reason why he hasn't coached since.

+1.  I would much rather have Shaw over Gruden or the guy that everyone seems to be gushing about now, Chip Kelly.

toddhoopster wrote: I have to pass, I am all about the guy from Stanford now. Grudens time as a successful coach passed a long time ago. He was on Real Sports a couple of months ago and Gumble pointed out that his record was 57-55 in Tampa, that is mediocer.

Agree- Gruden really brought out the best in Gannon. As I recall, didn't Gannon throw 5 ints with 3 pick 6's with Chuckie on the other sideline in the SB. 

chargers4life wrote: Ya, Gruden pretty much lost his mind. He was too competitive to handle the losses. In his defense though, he never had a good QB. Winning a Super Bowl with Rich Gannon at QB was very impressive.

WesChandler wrote: 
You are correct. I misspoke, Gruden was fired by the Bucs in 2009 after a total collapse saw Tampa Bay get eliminated from playoff contention. Tampa was on course for homefield advantage in 2008, but went 0-Dec knocking em out. The once stout Tampa defense allowed 30.75 points  per game during that 4 games skid. Even though I like him alot on MNF. I'll say again. There's a reason why he hasn't coached since.