Game Primer: Chargers vs. Broncos

The Chargers look to start 3-0 in the AFC West and continue their dominance over Peyton Manning as they host the Broncos Monday night. As preparation for this pivotal clash, we go over each phase of the game and break down what you can expect. Read More...

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If the Chargers win...

--They will be 3-0 in the AFC West. 
--They will be 4-2 overall. 
--They will hit the bye week at the perfect time. 

I know Chargers fans are pretty good at not getting excited about anything, but that should leave plenty of reason for good vibrations (at least in my book).

I would be surprised if we win just because as I mentioned in the New Orleans and Norv thread, when was the last time that Norv won a game like this where it would put his team in solid standing for the foreseeable future?  You would have to go back to when we went 13-3 a few seasons ago.

If the Chargers win, then:

Chargers 4 - 2
Broncos 2 - 4
Raiders 1 - 4
Chiefs 1 - 5

AND the Chargers would be 3 - 0 in the AFC West (with two of those being road wins) going into the BYE week.

A win would be, at this point in the season, HUGE!

However, if we lose, then:

Broncos 3 - 3
Chargers 3 - 3
Raiders 1 - 4
Chiefs 1 - 5

We'd be behind the Broncos with the head-to-head tiebreaker. We'd be 0 -1 against them while still having to travel to Denver to make that win up.

Moral of the story? Let's win Monday night.

We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

chargers4life wrote: We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

WTF?

Norv haters have no right to hate Norv huh? What f'n world do you live in, seriously? You can't be serious!

I'm not sure anyone can be accused of being a Norv hater anymore as much as they many of the Chargers fan base have seen enough after five seasons to want change at the GM and HC positions so that more of an emphasis can be placed on rebuilding the Offensive Line, which AJ has been incapable of doing.  As far as Norv goes, as I mentioned above, he really has not won a game of importance since three seasons ago.

chargers4life wrote: We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

SoCalThrilla wrote: I'm not sure anyone can be accused of being a Norv hater anymore as much as they many of the Chargers fan base have seen enough after five seasons to want change at the GM and HC positions so that more of an emphasis can be placed on rebuilding the Offensive Line, which AJ has been incapable of doing.  As far as Norv goes, as I mentioned above, he really has not won a game of importance since three seasons ago.

chargers4life wrote: We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

So what you're really saying nicely is.....there is a reason why there are so many Norv Haters and the original poster must be smoking something. I get it.

chargers4life wrote: We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

I gave Norv plenty of credit for going into vaunted KC and letting the defense bail us out.

Losing to New Orleans after having a 10pt lead in the 4th is what Norv haters have come to expect over 5 years of experience, so he lost any credibility just as fast for taking the ball out of Mathews' hands.

Tomorrow night is defining for Norv, and for the rest of this season.  As I said in the other threads, we don't win big games....unless of course we're 3 games under .500 and completely desperate, then its okay to turn it on.

Well, that's cool. Giving credit where credit is due is an honorable thing to do. Some people hate Norv too much to enjoy a win.

BTW, Belichik sucks. He has lost all of the Patriots fans respect now that he has lost 3 games. What a loser. hehe.

syxwunine wrote:

chargers4life wrote: We'll win and then all of the Norv haters will complain about it or discount it.

I gave Norv plenty of credit for going into vaunted KC and letting the defense bail us out.

Losing to New Orleans after having a 10pt lead in the 4th is what Norv haters have come to expect over 5 years of experience, so he lost any credibility just as fast for taking the ball out of Mathews' hands.

Tomorrow night is defining for Norv, and for the rest of this season.  As I said in the other threads, we don't win big games....unless of course we're 3 games under .500 and completely desperate, then its okay to turn it on.

chargers4life wrote: Well, that's cool. Giving credit where credit is due is an honorable thing to do. Some people hate Norv too much to enjoy a win.

BTW, Belichik sucks. He has lost all of the Patriots fans respect now that he has lost 3 games. What a loser. hehe.

Bill Bellichick will be in the playoffs this year regardless, he's in the playoffs every year, Norv Turner has made it 4 times in 15 years...and hasn't won a playoff game in the last 3 years.

See how that works?  The one who's had success gets the benefit of the doubt, the perennial loser does not.

I remember a certain Charger coach who hadn't won a playoff game in 11 straight seasons before he got canned. Talk about a perennial loser.



Now back to me. If Norv wins this game, it will certainly help the team AND Norv's credibility. Call it a glimmer of hope.

Though I have a feeling that even if the Bolts win Monday night, Charger fans will find ways to undersell it: It was a home game; Manning 'aint what he used to be, the Broncos played poorly; they won in spite of Norv, the AFC West sucks; etc.

syxwunine wrote:

chargers4life wrote: Norv Turner has made it 4 times in 15 years...and hasn't won a playoff game in the last 3 years.

See how that works?  The one who's had success gets the benefit of the doubt, the perennial loser does not.

shoehater wrote:

I remember a certain Charger coach who hadn't won a playoff game in 11 straight seasons before he got canned. Talk about a perennial loser.



Now back to me. If Norv wins this game, it will certainly help the team AND Norv's credibility. Call it a glimmer of hope.

Though I have a feeling that even if the Bolts win Monday night, Charger fans will find ways to undersell it: It was a home game; Manning 'aint what he used to be, the Broncos played poorly; they won in spite of Norv, the AFC West sucks; etc.

One loses in the playoffs, one can't even get there......sure whats the difference.

Totally disagree.  I think SD fans will give Norv a lot of credit if we beat Denver Monday Night.  JMO.

shoehater wrote:

I remember a certain Charger coach who hadn't won a playoff game in 11 straight seasons before he got canned. Talk about a perennial loser.



Now back to me. If Norv wins this game, it will certainly help the team AND Norv's credibility. Call it a glimmer of hope.

Though I have a feeling that even if the Bolts win Monday night, Charger fans will find ways to undersell it: It was a home game; Manning 'aint what he used to be, the Broncos played poorly; they won in spite of Norv, the AFC West sucks; etc.

syxwunine wrote:

chargers4life wrote: Norv Turner has made it 4 times in 15 years...and hasn't won a playoff game in the last 3 years.

See how that works?  The one who's had success gets the benefit of the doubt, the perennial loser does not.

I'd like to believe it. But it seems like ever since Norv arrived he gets the blame when the Chargers lose (much deserved) but rarely get the credit when they win.

Maybe you're right. But we'd have to destroy the Broncos tomorrow night in order to get some unanimous Norv praise dished out on this forum.

Anything else (close win, close loss, huge loss) and...well, you know.

SoCalThrilla wrote: Totally disagree.  I think SD fans will give Norv a lot of credit if we beat Denver Monday Night.  JMO.

shoehater wrote:

Though I have a feeling that even if the Bolts win Monday night, Charger fans will find ways to undersell it: It was a home game; Manning 'aint what he used to be, the Broncos played poorly; they won in spite of Norv, the AFC West sucks; etc.

Well said, but even if they blow out DEN, some people will still downplay the win.

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--- shoehater wrote:

I'd like to believe it. But it seems like ever since Norv arrived he gets the blame when the Chargers lose (much deserved) but rarely get the credit when they win.

Maybe you're right. But we'd have to destroy the Broncos tomorrow night in order to get some unanimous Norv praise dished out on this forum.

Anything else (close win, close loss, huge loss) and...well, you know.

SoCalThrilla wrote: Totally disagree.  I think SD fans will give Norv a lot of credit if we beat Denver Monday Night.  JMO.

shoehater wrote: Though I have a feeling that even if the Bolts win Monday night, Charger fans will find ways to undersell it: It was a home game; Manning 'aint what he used to be, the Broncos played poorly; they won in spite of Norv, the AFC West sucks; etc.

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Wait a minute. Hugh?

The Chargers haven't made it to the playoffs under Norv? And the previous HC took the Chargers too the playoffs more times than Norv did?

syxwunine wrote: .
One loses in the playoffs, one can't even get there......sure whats the difference.

chargers4life wrote: Wait a minute. Hugh?

The Chargers haven't made it to the playoffs under Norv? And the previous HC took the Chargers too the playoffs more times than Norv did?

The previous coach started from scratch, with a team that actually started Doug Flutie at QB the previous year. 
Norv took over at team with 11 Pro Bowlers, and the farther we get into the Norv era, the farther we've gotten from the Super Bowl.

Not that I'm a huge Marty fan either, he couldn't win big games either, but at least he won games we were supposed to win.

Revisionist history. It happens on this forum from time to time.

chargers4life wrote: Wait a minute. Hugh?

The Chargers haven't made it to the playoffs under Norv? And the previous HC took the Chargers too the playoffs more times than Norv did?

syxwunine wrote: .
One loses in the playoffs, one can't even get there......sure whats the difference.

shoehater wrote: Revisionist history. It happens on this forum from time to time.

Can it be still revisionist history....when one person is putting words in another persons mouth?

Why don't you try actually reading the coversation before chiming in with dumb comments , nobody was lobbying for Marty.

chargers4life wrote: Well said, but even if they blow out DEN, some people will still downplay the win.

Down play the win? If the the Chargers play consistent football, for all 4 quarters, limit mistakes, and maximize their talents, then no one would complain, win or lose.

The problem is that Norv has a track record, and not a good one. His teams seem to always make the same mistakes, his play calling and game management always seem to help his team lose, he never wins against good teams, especially on the road, he never seems to get his team up for the big games. Please tell me where anything I just said is WRONG! One thing! Tell me....You can't because you know it's true. You want to point out one game today by Belichick because he lost, despite the fact that he's won Super Bowls, his teams play smart, tactical football, he maximize the talents of his players......That argument shows that you are just grasping at straws to try and defend someone who is undefendable.

So, I'll wait to see which one of those things I mentioned you want to disagree with, and if you don't I know it's just more hot air coming from your side of the monitor.