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Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:08 PM
Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
This is not a post game rant. Actually I already knew this story cause its happened over and over again. The game is on the line and we have one drive to tie or win.. What does Rivers do? What he always does...He panics, and either gets sacked, fumbles or throws a pick. Same story, different game. I've watched Rivers for years and I already knew the Chargers would lose if it was close cause in the end Rivers is Rivers and unfortunately I don't ever seeing him winning a championship. He just doesn't have "it" whatever "it" is....
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:18 PM
Re: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
"It" would be "poise." Everyone who says it's the o-line has a point, but Rivers gets so worked up that he frequently becomes jittery. The dude's just kinda nuts. On one hand that means he plays without an ACL in a divisional. On the other, that means he sometimes flips out when truly elite QBs remain calm. We saw Brees calmly step up in the pocket several times tonight and deliver a strike when there's chaos around him. When Rivers has chaos around him, he often gets weird. That said, I think Rivers delivered a top-tier performance tonight. The miss on the TD pass and the sack that moved the FG back to 55 yards were huge, though. And both times he had chaos around him. If Rivers would've played in the '80s, the guy would be an HOFer. I don't think he's hit his peak (unless that Gaither injury is serious), but he just needs to calm down. I'm not sure if that's in his DNA. sfchargerfan wrote: This is not a post game rant. Actually I already knew this story cause its happened over and over again. The game is on the line and we have one drive to tie or win.. What does Rivers do? What he always does...He panics, and either gets sacked, fumbles or throws a pick. Same story, different game. I've watched Rivers for years and I already knew the Chargers would lose if it was close cause in the end Rivers is Rivers and unfortunately I don't ever seeing him winning a championship. He just doesn't have "it" whatever "it" is....
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:34 PM
Re: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
The guy has the fire and the talent and yet they don't protect him. Gaither was limping and they don't give him help. Gaither is hurt again and the season might start spiraling down.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:35 PM
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I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:41 PM
Re: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
Rivers does not suck. Only dumb people say that. But don't you think that he needs to compose himself in a different manner? And did you see the stats on him when he has to go outside the pocket? Like I said, he would be an HOFer in the '80s, but unless you have a top-5 o-line, that doesn't work anymore. When Rivers has to move out of the pocket, he becomes a mediocre QB instead of a great one. It happens. Not every team can give their QB time like Brady gets. 88Unbeatable82 wrote: I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:54 PM
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HunterSTomlinson wrote: Rivers does not suck. Only dumb people say that. But don't you think that he needs to compose himself in a different manner?
And did you see the stats on him when he has to go outside the pocket? Like I said, he would be an HOFer in the '80s, but unless you have a top-5 o-line, that doesn't work anymore. When Rivers has to move out of the pocket, he becomes a mediocre QB instead of a great one. It happens. Not every team can give their QB time like Brady gets.
88Unbeatable82 wrote: I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think. Normally, I would join you in a good discussion, and state that only a bonehead wouldn't be able to realize that no matter what Rivers did tonight, like hit Gates to move the Bolts to the Saints' 24 on the last drive, then hit Floyd to get 22 of 27 yards needed for a first down, the league was NEVER going to allow him to win this game. Normally, I would agree that Rivers is not the running back that most of the new quarterbacks in the league now are. Normally. Normally. Nope. Sorry, but it's much easier to be a simpleton, like the many others here, and just say that Rivers sucks. ---
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Posted: 10/07/2012 9:55 PM
Re: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
I dont think he is that bad. I do wish he would focus his energy into the game, especially at the end. Towards the end those referees were calling something on every play. Rivers began to complain to them instead of keeping his head in the game and getting his team to the line while demonstrating leadership.
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Posted: 10/07/2012 11:30 PM
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I just don't believe it's that sinister. I reject the theory that the NFL had a Saints-must-win directive on the officials (I also don't believe Rivers was throwing picks on purpose last season so the Bolts can move to LA for that matter). There are plenty of cabals and conspiracies in our world, but tonight's game wasn't one of those. And I disagree with the notion that QBs who can scramble and throw on the run are "new." Steve Young was doing it 20 years ago. It works. Rivers is on the verge of being an elite QB. He hasn't hit his peak. He needs to calm down, communicate more effectively from scrimmage (a lot of that I blame on Norv). Until he does that, he will not be a top-5 QB. 88Unbeatable82 wrote:
HunterSTomlinson wrote: Rivers does not suck. Only dumb people say that. But don't you think that he needs to compose himself in a different manner?
And did you see the stats on him when he has to go outside the pocket? Like I said, he would be an HOFer in the '80s, but unless you have a top-5 o-line, that doesn't work anymore. When Rivers has to move out of the pocket, he becomes a mediocre QB instead of a great one. It happens. Not every team can give their QB time like Brady gets.
88Unbeatable82 wrote: I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think.
Normally, I would join you in a good discussion, and state that only a bonehead wouldn't be able to realize that no matter what Rivers did tonight, like hit Gates to move the Bolts to the Saints' 24 on the last drive, then hit Floyd to get 22 of 27 yards needed for a first down, the league was NEVER going to allow him to win this game. Normally, I would agree that Rivers is not the running back that most of the new quarterbacks in the league now are. Normally. Normally.
Nope. Sorry, but it's much easier to be a simpleton, like the many others here, and just say that Rivers sucks.
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Posted: 10/08/2012 5:07 AM
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Rivers is playing the game the way he has always played it. Doesn't matter the down and distance or time left or anything, he plays with emotion. It doesn't effect his play as some on here suggest. It's who he is. Just because he is yelling at the refs does not mean he isn't in control. Jeez guys. He had his team in position to tie 3 or 4 times that last drive, but penalties pushed the Chargers back. The call on Gates was horrific considering some of the stuff they let go on. Norv failing to use a timeout when they let almost 35 seconds run off the clock with 1:32 left on the clock hurt more than anything. The last play Philip had no chance. You can look back when they had second and short and then called the time out and threw the ball. WTF was that???  You're slicing and dicing them with the run had just gained 5 yards in the red zone and Norv gives up on it? I just don't understand. Meachem was open but unfortunately Philip missed him but they connected on two pretty good plays. HunterSTomlinson wrote:
Rivers is on the verge of being an elite QB. He hasn't hit his peak. He needs to calm down, communicate more effectively from scrimmage (a lot of that I blame on Norv). Until he does that, he will not be a top-5 QB.
88Unbeatable82 wrote:
HunterSTomlinson wrote: Rivers does not suck. Only dumb people say that. But don't you think that he needs to compose himself in a different manner?
And did you see the stats on him when he has to go outside the pocket? Like I said, he would be an HOFer in the '80s, but unless you have a top-5 o-line, that doesn't work anymore. When Rivers has to move out of the pocket, he becomes a mediocre QB instead of a great one. It happens. Not every team can give their QB time like Brady gets.
88Unbeatable82 wrote: I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think.
Normally, I would join you in a good discussion, and state that only a bonehead wouldn't be able to realize that no matter what Rivers did tonight, like hit Gates to move the Bolts to the Saints' 24 on the last drive, then hit Floyd to get 22 of 27 yards needed for a first down, the league was NEVER going to allow him to win this game. Normally, I would agree that Rivers is not the running back that most of the new quarterbacks in the league now are. Normally. Normally.
Nope. Sorry, but it's much easier to be a simpleton, like the many others here, and just say that Rivers sucks. BEING AN N C STATE FAN BUILDS GREAT CHARACTER
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Posted: 10/08/2012 3:20 PM
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I don't think Rivers sucks and I don't' think anybody else does either. I just don't think he's elite and I really don't see it ever happening. His eyes get like 3x bigger and you can see the panic in them every time it really counts.. I'm not sure why but he just can't handle it when the pressure is too high.
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Posted: 10/08/2012 4:55 PM
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Yeah I've lowered my expectations of him pretty drastically the last 2 years. He's just not clutch often enough, and I dare say a big part of that is our play calling is not exactly O-line friendly.
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Last edited 10/08/2012 4:56 PM by syxwunine
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Posted: 10/08/2012 7:10 PM
RE: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
I have no doubt that if the Refs didn't get involved that Rivers would have marched the team down the field to win the game.
I was disappointed in the last play of the game though. How could he, and the coaches, not know that Gaither was lame? Rivers should have been aware of the pass rusher on the left.
Two words: Offensive Line!
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Posted: 10/08/2012 7:25 PM
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chargers4life wrote: I have no doubt that if the Refs didn't get involved that Rivers would have marched the team down the field to win the game.
I was disappointed in the last play of the game though. How could he, and the coaches, not know that Gaither was lame? Rivers should have been aware of the pass rusher on the left. I believe we possibly could have tied it, I don't believe he could have done it a second time in OT unless our defense came up with a stop. Derek Cox - "Being a champion is realizing that, everything matters." |
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Posted: 10/08/2012 7:28 PM
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Actually, more importantly, we would have been without Gaither in OT. I have to give Gaither props by the way. He gave everything he had, but clearly he is injured. syxwunine wrote:
I believe we possibly could have tied it, I don't believe he could have done it a second time in OT unless our defense came up with a stop. Two words: Offensive Line!
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Posted: 10/08/2012 7:37 PM
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chargers4life wrote: Actually, more importantly, we would have been without Gaither in OT.
I have to give Gaither props by the way. He gave everything he had, but clearly he is injured. NorveLoss says he thinks Gaither could play Monday.
Thank the fricken lord because Dumervile and Miller are game wreckers.
Just as important IMO...our 2nd best defensive player Corey Liuget should be able to play as well. Derek Cox - "Being a champion is realizing that, everything matters." |
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Posted: 10/08/2012 7:54 PM
RE: Rivers has hit his peak..unfortunately
We all know Philip isn't an agile QB. Never has been. However, it never kept him from becoming a top tier QB in this league because he made up for it with his POISE and pocket awareness.
This season, however, he seems to have lost that poise and gotten somewhat jittery.
I can't explain it, and as much as I hate to say it, he seems to have regressed as a QB.
Last edited 10/08/2012 7:54 PM by daniel19
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Posted: 10/08/2012 8:01 PM
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Thanks for the info. I just looked it up: " OT Jared Gaither (groin) suffered a strained groin in Week 5. Head coach Norv Turner said there is a chance Gaither could play Week 6." Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/31/nf...s#ixzz28lcP6N2a
"There is a chance" sounds less optimistic than "he thinks Gaither could play." syxwunine wrote:
NorveLoss says he thinks Gaither could play Monday.
Thank the fricken lord because Dumervile and Miller are game wreckers.
Just as important IMO...our 2nd best defensive player Corey Liuget should be able to play as well. Two words: Offensive Line!
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Posted: 10/08/2012 8:19 PM
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I saw it in Rivers at the mid point of last season and it carried through the end. Happy feet, panic and poor decisions.
Last night however, I thought he played his best game in quite a while. Made some nice throws and much better decisions. I did see a few times though where he was throwing off his back foot, falling away, or scrambling (rumbling, bumbling and stumbling) from phantom pressure.
If the Bolts want to make a post season, Rivers needs to calm down, settle his feet and step in to his throws.
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Posted: 10/09/2012 10:36 AM
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Comeback wins are a key element of an elite QB. Rivers hasn't performed well in that category. Perhaps it has something to do with Turner's 49-68-1 record in games decided in the last possession, second worse on record EVER! Rivers and Turner continue to underperform in crunch time. Perhaps it's not all on Rivers. Clock management by the Norv-Philip team is ghastly. Pop Warner like. Until that changes I don't think Rivers belongs in the Elite QB club. Never thought I'd say that but there you are.
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Posted: 10/09/2012 12:39 PM
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I agree with most of what you say here, but PR's emotions do affect his play. Sometimes for good. Sometimes for bad. But you have to sympathize with Bolts fans when, no matter what you tell us, he looks rattled out there. I mean, we see it. And yes, he does lose control. The failed 2-minute drill Sunday was on Norv and the refs. But -- as Acee is finally pointing out -- our 2-minute drill has sucked for a long time. The team has failed on its last nine opportunities to win or tie with a game-ending drive. That sucks. And part of that is Rivers' fault. DrummerboyWolf wrote: Rivers is playing the game the way he has always played it. Doesn't matter the down and distance or time left or anything, he plays with emotion. It doesn't effect his play as some on here suggest. It's who he is. Just because he is yelling at the refs does not mean he isn't in control. Jeez guys.
He had his team in position to tie 3 or 4 times that last drive, but penalties pushed the Chargers back. The call on Gates was horrific considering some of the stuff they let go on.
Norv failing to use a timeout when they let almost 35 seconds run off the clock with 1:32 left on the clock hurt more than anything. The last play Philip had no chance.
You can look back when they had second and short and then called the time out and threw the ball. WTF was that??? You're slicing and dicing them with the run had just gained 5 yards in the red zone and Norv gives up on it? I just don't understand. Meachem was open but unfortunately Philip missed him but they connected on two pretty good plays.
HunterSTomlinson wrote:
Rivers is on the verge of being an elite QB. He hasn't hit his peak. He needs to calm down, communicate more effectively from scrimmage (a lot of that I blame on Norv). Until he does that, he will not be a top-5 QB.
88Unbeatable82 wrote:
HunterSTomlinson wrote: Rivers does not suck. Only dumb people say that. But don't you think that he needs to compose himself in a different manner?
And did you see the stats on him when he has to go outside the pocket? Like I said, he would be an HOFer in the '80s, but unless you have a top-5 o-line, that doesn't work anymore. When Rivers has to move out of the pocket, he becomes a mediocre QB instead of a great one. It happens. Not every team can give their QB time like Brady gets.
88Unbeatable82 wrote: I agree. Rivers sucks.
Whew. You know, I can see why people do this. It's so easy being a simpleton. I can be a slug, and not have to think.
Normally, I would join you in a good discussion, and state that only a bonehead wouldn't be able to realize that no matter what Rivers did tonight, like hit Gates to move the Bolts to the Saints' 24 on the last drive, then hit Floyd to get 22 of 27 yards needed for a first down, the league was NEVER going to allow him to win this game. Normally, I would agree that Rivers is not the running back that most of the new quarterbacks in the league now are. Normally. Normally.
Nope. Sorry, but it's much easier to be a simpleton, like the many others here, and just say that Rivers sucks.
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