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Is Kendall Reyes the "Jeromey Clary" of the Defense?

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Posted: 08/28/2014 5:45 AM

Is Kendall Reyes the "Jeromey Clary" of the Defense? 


Simple question...

 

I've been watching this guy underperform since we drafted him, yet somehow he not only escapes criticism, but he gets praise.  He can get to the backfield on occasion, but from what I've seen, he disappears on running plays.  Can't shed blocks, slide with the play, and is responsible in part for putting more pressure on our linebackers to make the stop (5 yards downfield or more..).  For all the criticism other players have gotten (Te'o for example), where's the microscope for Reyes?

I've thought that Reyes backups have outplayed him from the start, and I HOPE that he finally gets benched.  I was hoping Scafe would be the guy.  He has been AWESOME and without injury, IMO he should have been the starter.

Now I'm looking at Lawrence Guy as a possibility.  Another player that is severely underappreciated.  Why does Reyes get so many chances??

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Posted: 08/28/2014 5:51 AM

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Reyes is in that 3 years or done stage IMO!




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Posted: 08/28/2014 7:45 AM

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Clary gets a bum rap here. Did anyone else notice the drop in play when Clary couldn't play that Denver playoff game? Troutman couldn't handle RG at all. With Clary we at least had a chance to run the ball that day. Then there's the role of mentor Clary represents for Fluker. AND he just took a pay cut. Why does the guy get so much bad pub? Oh yeah, and because he's so tough he does play injured a lot - which I'm guessing reduced his effectiveness - but no one here gives him any credit for that. Not one!

Last edited 08/28/2014 7:46 AM by ChargersWinII

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Posted: 08/28/2014 8:08 AM

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Reyes has a short leash. I presume the coaches have a backup plan if he is lackluster from the start.

What happened to the guy? I thought he was a stud early on and now has taken a nose dive.

Is it just talent? Injury? Desire? WTF? I don't get it.

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Posted: 08/28/2014 8:24 AM

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He did fall on that fumble in a careful way after his beast buddy Luiget pounced on the QB.  If we have a better replacement than I am all for it.  I still think he has skills and can bounce back but then again I defended Norv Turner for way too long!  Right Honk! excited
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Posted: 08/28/2014 8:30 AM

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I'm not a math major but
1st string=$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2nd string= $$$

It's up to you Kendall!




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Posted: 08/28/2014 9:02 AM

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It could be the kid just saw too many snaps last year and was rotated more the previous year.  He maybe a guy we'll need to rotate more with Guy or the new kid
Chargerhonk wrote: Reyes has a short leash. I presume the coaches have a backup plan if he is lackluster from the start.

What happened to the guy? I thought he was a stud early on and now has taken a nose dive.

Is it just talent? Injury? Desire? WTF? I don't get it.
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Posted: 08/28/2014 9:16 AM

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Has Carrethers had any snaps at DE?  Just wondering.
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Posted: 08/28/2014 9:43 AM

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I've watched Reyes get blown up play after play for three years now. He doesn't get any leverage and 9 times out of 10 he gets pushed back 5 + yards every time a team runs. He's total garbage and needs to sit the pine.
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Posted: 08/28/2014 9:49 AM

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yantha wrote: Has Carrethers had any snaps at DE?  Just wondering.
No but Zach Kerr has, as well as NT.

I'm still hoping they can't find room for him on the Colts roster.

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Posted: 08/28/2014 10:24 AM

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"I've never been around a 24-year-old 12-year vet."

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Posted: 08/28/2014 11:58 AM

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Clary is one of the "do it all" type.  He's not absolutely horrible, and did have a couple of decent years.  But he is not good enough on an island.  He is good about picking up the dlineman who gets by Fluker. and actually rated +0.6 in pass blocking as a RG in 2013.  But his run blocking was -20.6.  His versatility is enough to keep him around, but we need to develop other, more talented players to eventually replace him.  I met him in person twice, and he is a genuinely nice guy.  His best rating was in 2009 when it was +8.9, including + 7.8 in run blocking.  So he can be effective.  We'll have to wait and see if he plays better when the rest of the oline also plays better and takes the pressure off of him. 
ChargersWinII wrote: Clary gets a bum rap here. Did anyone else notice the drop in play when Clary couldn't play that Denver playoff game? Troutman couldn't handle RG at all. With Clary we at least had a chance to run the ball that day. Then there's the role of mentor Clary represents for Fluker. AND he just took a pay cut. Why does the guy get so much bad pub? Oh yeah, and because he's so tough he does play injured a lot - which I'm guessing reduced his effectiveness - but no one here gives him any credit for that. Not one!
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Posted: 08/28/2014 12:09 PM

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Back on the Reyes thread.  in 2012 Reyes had PFF ratings of overall, -.08; run defense, -8.9; pass rush, +5.8.  In 2013 he had, overall, -24.4; run defense, -20.3; pass rush, -4.7.   I thought that a 3-4 DE was more of a run defender than a pass rusher, which Reyes is obviously NOT.  If we can't stop the run, then Rivers and Co. won't be on the field long enough to be effective (see the Denver game last year in Denver).  Looks like next year's draft will target DE, NT, and perhaps a LT, depending on our situation with Dunlap.  At least we are filling the holes as they are prioritized, but we only have so many draft choices available.  Great job so far for TT, and I look forward to next year's draft.
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Posted: 08/28/2014 12:18 PM

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slammer8 wrote: He did fall on that fumble in a careful way after his beast buddy Luiget pounced on the QB.  If we have a better replacement than I am all for it.  I still think he has skills and can bounce back but then again I defended Norv Turner for way too long!  Right Honk! excited
Did you say Norval Eugene Turner? barf.gif

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Posted: 08/28/2014 12:27 PM

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Agreed.  The offseason should add two HIGH END D-linemen, either in the draft, and/or FA.  Personally I'm hoping we land a top 5 D-lineman in the FA and draft a DT in the first 3 rounds.

But for now, I'm thinking that Lawrence Guy is the better run defender compared to Reyes, and I hope he gets a serious look.  Reyes needs to come out AT LEAST in short yardage situations.
stinehart wrote: Back on the Reyes thread.  in 2012 Reyes had PFF ratings of overall, -.08; run defense, -8.9; pass rush, +5.8.  In 2013 he had, overall, -24.4; run defense, -20.3; pass rush, -4.7.   I thought that a 3-4 DE was more of a run defender than a pass rusher, which Reyes is obviously NOT.  If we can't stop the run, then Rivers and Co. won't be on the field long enough to be effective (see the Denver game last year in Denver).  Looks like next year's draft will target DE, NT, and perhaps a LT, depending on our situation with Dunlap.  At least we are filling the holes as they are prioritized, but we only have so many draft choices available.  Great job so far for TT, and I look forward to next year's draft.
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Posted: 08/28/2014 12:48 PM

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I thought we had this figured out, Raji at no more than 4 Mil, and another DT in the draft, he's only signed thru the end of this year.




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Posted: 08/28/2014 3:19 PM

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Kerrethers?


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yantha wrote: Has Carrethers had any snaps at DE?  Just wondering.
No but Zach Kerr has, as well as NT.

I'm still hoping they can't find room for him on the Colts roster.

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Posted: 08/28/2014 5:05 PM

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K. Reyes? J Clary?


Don't see it.


Clary is a late round player that overachieved for a couple seasons landing him a starting gig and a long term contract and has since peaked.

Reyes is 2nd rounder that is going into a critical 3rd season (2nd as a starter) that has yet to fully reach his "potential".


Its not a question of talent but whether or not Reyes can tap into the high potential. If he does great. If not he wouldn't be the first but he does have some rotational value at this point still.


Like Teo I hope for the best but as they say. Its a what have you done for me league. If you can't preform at a high enough level by year 3 its time to make that seat a little warmer.


I mean look at Liuget. Progressed every year since his rookie year and is defintely looking like an early pro-bowl and all pro candidate.
It's not about how many times you get knocked down.  It's whether or not you are willing to get back up. 
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Posted: 08/28/2014 5:16 PM

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Dude, the way Corey just said 'F** it, I'm back' last week, was a statement, I'm hungry, let's go! Reyes needs some
Of that! Hopefully it's contagious!




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Posted: 08/29/2014 8:01 PM

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Here's a link to a thread from another Chargers site. In it a dude named Steve (he's a football coach btw) details his thoughts on Clary and the PFF folks. It's quite a long thread and very interesting in that someone actually rewatched Clary's work up until around the halfway point of 2013 or so.



http://www.thepowderblues.com/forum/showthread.php?6902-Clary-why-is-he-still-here&highlight=clary

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