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Posted: 07/28/2014 8:59 AM

NFL Farm Team System 


I replied to the 53 man roster thread but I thought I'd re-post here, so this thread can discuss the proposal without hi-jacking the "roster thread"

Proposal to Goodell:  Why not bring in an NHL-Style Farm Team system, and dispose of the "Practice Squad"??

You know, personally I really like the NHL farm team system (imagine the San Diego Generals…).  It really gives a chance for young players to develop on the "Generals" and get called up when the "Chargers" needs a player.

Also, players that aren't performing well can get "sent down" to the Generals.

Imagine the players we could have kept!  Wes Welker would have just played for the Generals for half a season, instead of being cut, and we all know he would have been called up pretty quickly to the Chargers.

There are tonnes of fan favourite preseason performers that could have benefitted.  I also know that there would be a tonne of interest to go watch farm games.

Here in Toronto, the Toronto Marlies get plenty of fans filling the seats.  The tickets are cheap (since player salaries are cheap….), and it makes for a fun afternoon.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 10:31 AM

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In theory it would be great but I'm not sure it feasible for the NFL to carry a 32 team minor league.

The bodies would likely come from the Arena league and the CFL but I'm not sure finacially it could survive.

I mean we're talking payroll for coaches, players (enough for 11 v 11), refs, etc.


I like the idea though cause it could also be used to train up coaching staff, front office types and officials.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 11:08 AM

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I'm wondering how it works for the NHL?

I think that the staff of a farm team is a bit more limited compared to a pro-team.  In the NFL, I think you would have a head coach, OC, DC, and a handful of assistant coaches (but not a full slate of position coaches).  I'm thinking the DC would handle MORE positional coaching duties than they do now.  Same with the OC, and the HC.

There would also be no need for scouts or administrative staff because they are part of the pro-team.

Essentially we're talking about an expanded practice squad from 8 players to another 53.  Practice facilities would be shared, but with off-set schedules, and the current chargers administrative staff would just have an expanded managerial role for the additional players.  It would also be an additional source of income for the Spanos family… and might reduce Chargers ticket prices… big maybe.

Home games could be Saturday games and/or be played on Sundays if the Chargers are playing "away".

Personally I think that a coaching staff of a HC, OC, DC, and and 4 more assistant coaches is all that would be needed and the farm team plays the same playbook as the pro-team.  

Coach McCoy would hire the farm team coaching staff with Telesco's approvals.
Thisfrickinguy wrote: In theory it would be great but I'm not sure it feasible for the NFL to carry a 32 team minor league.

The bodies would likely come from the Arena league and the CFL but I'm not sure finacially it could survive.

I mean we're talking payroll for coaches, players (enough for 11 v 11), refs, etc.


I like the idea though cause it could also be used to train up coaching staff, front office types and officials.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 11:58 AM

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I don't think 53 players are necessary, or did I read you wrong, but along with PS players how many more are Really
necessary as not to water down the product!





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Posted: 07/28/2014 12:13 PM

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I think in hockey, the farm team roster is equivalent to the pro-team roster in numbers, but I might be wrong.

I think that in the NFL, the team should have:
2 QB
4 OT
4 OG
2 OC
5 WR
2 TE
2 RB
1 FB
4 DE
2 NT
2 SS
2 FS
5 CB
4 OLB
4 ILB
1P
1K
1LS

Total:  48 players
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Posted: 07/28/2014 12:20 PM

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I agree Doc, this Needs to be addressed! And well before NFL Europe IMO for Crissakes! It has been Looooooong over due!




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Posted: 07/28/2014 12:50 PM

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I think the NBA D League makes sense because the other "minor leagues" are overseas.  With football, however, all of the "minor leagues" are in the USA (and perhaps Canada).  Furthermore the NFL doesn't have to financially support any of these leagues, so I really don't see any need for the NFL to invest in a farm system.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 1:10 PM

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They should add one maybe two more designated spots on the 53 and make it 55.


One would be punt returner and the kick return. Both of whoms primary jobs would be to return kicks but could also be used as like a utility player in either the offense or defense.
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Posted: 07/28/2014 6:45 PM

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Thisfrickinguy wrote: They should add one maybe two more designated spots on the 53 and make it 55.


One would be punt returner and the kick return. Both of whoms primary jobs would be to return kicks but could also be used as like a utility player in either the offense or defense.
I like this approach.  I'd even say 57-58.  It will help with player safety and player development.
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Posted: 07/29/2014 6:19 AM

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I like your math, Yantha.  48 X 8 (teams) = 384.  If each NFL team can have 12 players on their practice squad (12 X 32 = 384) then the equation works.  Each farm team would be comprised of players from the individual conferences.  The AFC West, for example would have 12 players from each team on the collective "farm team", making a total of 48 players.  With eight teams targeting somewhat larger metropolitan areas that don't already have an NFL team, such as Columbus, OH, San Antonio, TX, Oklahoma City, OK, etc., and not charging $50 admission, $20 for parking, and most importantly not $8 for 3.2% beer, the financial revenue  should suffice to cover the associative costs of coaches, refs, and the various accoutrements.  Player salaries would be about $1.2 mil, and if the accompanying logistical costs are quadruple that ($3.6 mil) that is less that 5 mil per team.  In 2013 the NFL had $9 BILLION net revenue.  I think they can afford $5 mil or even $10 mil per team. 
yantha wrote: I think in hockey, the farm team roster is equivalent to the pro-team roster in numbers, but I might be wrong.

I think that in the NFL, the team should have:
2 QB
4 OT
4 OG
2 OC
5 WR
2 TE
2 RB
1 FB
4 DE
2 NT
2 SS
2 FS
5 CB
4 OLB
4 ILB
1P
1K
1LS

Total:  48 players
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Posted: 07/30/2014 1:23 PM

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I agree with TFG that there are probably enough problems with such a venture that it would never happen.  However, if it did, I, too, like the idea of a "shared" team for each division.  And along the lines of my idea for a Future Bowl to replace the Pro Bowl, this farm league's championship game could be played in place of the Pro Bowl the weekend between the Conference Title games and Super Bowl.

Any game that weekend with players actually giving 100%, thus making it a real game, would be light-years better than the farce that the Pro Bowl is.

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"I've never been around a 24-year-old 12-year vet."

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Posted: 07/30/2014 1:46 PM

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OK this one is WAY out in left field, but one way to get the 'Pros' to play hard is to have them play against a College
All Star team, future NFL Players, I mean who wants to get beat by a bunch of kids? I know silly, right?




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Posted: 07/30/2014 5:14 PM

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Would the same rules apply where you could poach from a team's Practice Squad, er, I mean, Farm Team as long as you start them on your team? I imagine that is unique to the NFL's current system and they'd hate to lose that ability.

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Posted: 07/31/2014 6:19 AM

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They used to do that way back when.  The all stars would play against the Super Bowl champs.  That stopped in the '70's for whatever reason.
viseman61 wrote: OK this one is WAY out in left field, but one way to get the 'Pros' to play hard is to have them play against a College
All Star team, future NFL Players, I mean who wants to get beat by a bunch of kids? I know silly, right?
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Posted: 08/02/2014 6:32 PM

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I like the idea of the regional teams. Two per region would be ideal. Kinda like a AFC/NFC feel to it


Each team play all other teams twice meaning a 14 game season which is a pretty reasonable regular season.

Top four teams in a playoff system. Championship game played the week before the real big game going hand and hand with what use to be the pro-bowl and turned into more of Fan friendly non-contact field drills pinning the two teams against each other in an overall point systems for the bonus money that use to go to the winning squad of the game.


Thinking about more and more I think even with a D-league that each team should still hold onto a PS. But unlike the past, you can no longer vulture a player from someone else's squad.


That's what the new D-league would be for. PS player if wanted by another team will come with some compensation to the team losing a player. Nothing huge but at least something for the loss of that player.

The rule change I would like to see changed yet again is the IR rule. They should have 3 designations. The usually full year, an 8 week IR for guys who be out a significant time but not be out the full year and finally a 4 week IR for injuries that will keep guys out for more than a week or two but not major enough to keep him out half a year or longer.


I believe that even with a D-league each team should have the same number of PS players they have now just so that those guys have some type of idea as to what to do playbook wise. Because in the D-league proposed you obviously aren't going to use all 32 teams playbooks.

The NFL would also use it to train up future NFL officials and use game tape to evaluate, grade and help them become better officials.
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Posted: 08/02/2014 6:37 PM

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Btw yes I was bored today lol. Wife is entertaining visiting family members and the SUV only carries so many people. Lol muahahaha.


Sons hanging with visiting family's boys and the girls are out back to school shopping. Like shopping ever stops with those two.
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Posted: 08/03/2014 7:13 AM

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If the eight team minor league actually came to fruition, I'm sure the present rules would be tweaked.  For instance, if a team poached a player from another team's squad, they should give up a player from their squad as replacement.  Perhaps a limit to  the number of poaches, but unlimited from your own squad.  The best benefit is that teams can see their PS players in actual game conditions in "real time" instead of practice time.  Players wouldn't just be competing for jobs on the PS, they would be looking to hone their skills for a jump to the big leagues---lots of incentives and a lot more  money. 
shoehater wrote: Would the same rules apply where you could poach from a team's Practice Squad, er, I mean, Farm Team as long as you start them on your team? I imagine that is unique to the NFL's current system and they'd hate to lose that ability.
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Posted: 08/03/2014 8:06 PM

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Can the minor league guys be brought up and the nfl guys sent down the same way they can be in hockey?

If so is the NFLer who got sent down available to be "poached"?

In the combined team scenario would it be tougher to plug a guy in when he is promoted because he's not as familiar with the teams game plan as he would be if he were spending his time on a practice squad with the pro level team?

 

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