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Donald Brown: Forum Opinion

Posted: 07/17/2014 1:04 PM

Donald Brown: Forum Opinion 


As I read pundits takes more and more they believe Browm was brought in to Replace Matthews next year because
Of a potential hefty contract? I would love to keep both!
Donald is making a lot more now, but Ryno is still in his Rookie contract!
Brown just got locked in for 3 years




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Posted: 07/17/2014 4:03 PM

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I too would like to keep the both. Along with Woodhead,  and Grice,  that will be a very nice backfield. I'm sure the pundits are correct at least to a point. Brown is nice insurance.
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Posted: 07/17/2014 4:16 PM

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I think it's all about options.  A lot will depend upon how these guys play this season.  If Ryan has another strong, consistent and reliable year, the Chargers will want and probably re-sign him.  It will be interesting to see how Donald plays and whether the rookie makes any impact.  Running back is typically the one position where a rookie can contribute the first year of playing.
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Posted: 07/18/2014 12:54 AM

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Donald Brown is not an option to replace Mathews.   Brown is more of a classic 3rd down, rotational RB and the perfect #2.  

If Grice were faster I would say he could potentially be a replacement for Mathews.  But at this point I see him as Brown's replacement in a couple of years and Woodhead's replacement next year.
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Posted: 07/18/2014 11:22 PM

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Last year was one of Ryan Matthews best as a Charger but he was hurt when we needed him most during the playoffs.    Donald Brown was brought in to help carry the load and hopefully keep Ryan fresh and healthy thru the entire season.  Brown is also a good back who is capable of starting should Matthew suffer more injury or replace him should he not be under contract next year.   All very good reasons to bring him in and a great addition in my opinon.  Kudos to Telesco.
Now lets see how it all works out.
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Posted: 07/19/2014 10:11 AM

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I'm on the fence as to whether we should extend Mathews.  Unless he wants "average" money, that is.  He's not a top back, and as I watch other teams with dynamic RB's that are a threat to break one on any given play....  I just still long for the days of LT.

I'm not asking for another LT, but at least something a little closer.

I just never became a fan of Mathews for some reason, and if there's a draft pick in the next draft that could become a FIXTURE of our offense, then I'm all for moving on from Mathews, who is just a "piece" of our offense.
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Posted: 07/19/2014 1:18 PM

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yantha wrote: I'm on the fence as to whether we should extend Mathews.  Unless he wants "average" money, that is.  He's not a top back, and as I watch other teams with dynamic RB's that are a threat to break one on any given play....  I just still long for the days of LT.

I'm not asking for another LT, but at least something a little closer.

I just never became a fan of Mathews for some reason, and if there's a draft pick in the next draft that could become a FIXTURE of our offense, then I'm all for moving on from Mathews, who is just a "piece" of our offense.
Now what if RM improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10+ TDs this year?  How do you just let him walk

He can catch the ball, he had 50 catches in 2011.
He can carry the load, where as Donald Brown has never come close to doing that.
He's a solid locker room presence as you can expect from a single male in his mid-20s.
His fumbling issues seems to be mostly handled.


We took him out on the goal line way too much after his 1 fumble last year, and it definitely cost us at least 1 game (Washington), and probably cost him 3 or 4 TDs on what have been an even more impressive breakout year.

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Posted: 07/19/2014 2:36 PM

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I keep waiting for RM to turn into that "score from anywhere" type back,  not sure if it was the lack of blocking early , or being tentative due to injuries, but I gotta say I was hoping for more.. 

I may be asking too much , but we gave up a lot to get him.  I want paid, lol
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Posted: 07/19/2014 3:36 PM

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Couldn't agree with you more Syx, good post.
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Posted: 07/19/2014 5:08 PM

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Not for his nagging(I) Ryno was on his way to finishing up a Great season last year!


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yantha wrote: I'm on the fence as to whether we should extend Mathews.  Unless he wants "average" money, that is.  He's not a top back, and as I watch other teams with dynamic RB's that are a threat to break one on any given play....  I just still long for the days of LT.

I'm not asking for another LT, but at least something a little closer.

I just never became a fan of Mathews for some reason, and if there's a draft pick in the next draft that could become a FIXTURE of our offense, then I'm all for moving on from Mathews, who is just a "piece" of our offense.
Now what if RM improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10+ TDs this year?  How do you just let him walk

He can catch the ball, he had 50 catches in 2011.
He can carry the load, where as Donald Brown has never come close to doing that.
He's a solid locker room presence as you can expect from a single male in his mid-20s.
His fumbling issues seems to be mostly handled.


We took him out on the goal line way too much after his 1 fumble last year, and it definitely cost us at least 1 game (Washington), and probably cost him 3 or 4 TDs on what have been an even more impressive breakout year.

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Posted: 07/19/2014 6:16 PM

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If he improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10 TD's then that's exactly the kind of RB i want starting for us to yes, absolutely I'd want him back.  I'm also not suggesting that Donald Brown would be his replacement if he wasn't brought back.

IMO TT will offer a contract worth his value, and we'll see if Ryan thinks he's worth more or not.  

Personally I hope he FINALLY becomes a first round, dominant force for us.

In the past it was more about fumbles, and injuries.

Last year he put together a solid season, and I hope we see him build on that.


syxwunine wrote:
yantha wrote: I'm on the fence as to whether we should extend Mathews.  Unless he wants "average" money, that is.  He's not a top back, and as I watch other teams with dynamic RB's that are a threat to break one on any given play....  I just still long for the days of LT.

I'm not asking for another LT, but at least something a little closer.

I just never became a fan of Mathews for some reason, and if there's a draft pick in the next draft that could become a FIXTURE of our offense, then I'm all for moving on from Mathews, who is just a "piece" of our offense.
Now what if RM improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10+ TDs this year?  How do you just let him walk

He can catch the ball, he had 50 catches in 2011.
He can carry the load, where as Donald Brown has never come close to doing that.
He's a solid locker room presence as you can expect from a single male in his mid-20s.
His fumbling issues seems to be mostly handled.


We took him out on the goal line way too much after his 1 fumble last year, and it definitely cost us at least 1 game (Washington), and probably cost him 3 or 4 TDs on what have been an even more impressive breakout year.
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Posted: 07/19/2014 7:50 PM

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What I saw at first he was tryiing 'Too' hard and holding on to the ball 'Too' long and that caused a lot of those fumbles! Ryno progressed a lot last year IMO!




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Posted: 07/19/2014 8:44 PM

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yantha wrote: If he improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10 TD's then that's exactly the kind of RB i want starting for us to yes, absolutely I'd want him back.  I'm also not suggesting that Donald Brown would be his replacement if he wasn't brought back.

IMO TT will offer a contract worth his value, and we'll see if Ryan thinks he's worth more or not.  

Personally I hope he FINALLY becomes a first round, dominant force for us.

In the past it was more about fumbles, and injuries.

Last year he put together a solid season, and I hope we see him build on that.


I agree, the problem now is we've already committed his money to Donald Brown.  Who after 5 years is still aspiring to BE Ryan Mathews.

Only thing I was really saying is I wasn't really on board with the Brown signing, I'd be equally as happy with Grice as the #3 and Oliver as the #4, and give Mathews 1 more year to figure out how to fix his only real weakness.

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Posted: 07/19/2014 11:27 PM

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Pretty simple its a contract year for Ryno and he has to show what he is worth.  Last year he really improved and showed he can be a valuable back.  If he improves further he stays.  If not bye bye and Brown is a stop gap until we find some young gun.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 7:44 AM

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If DB was that good, he wouldn't have made it to the Chargers roster from another team via free agency.
It's not about how many times you get knocked down.  It's whether or not you are willing to get back up. 

Last edited 07/20/2014 7:44 AM by Thisfrickinguy

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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:25 AM

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Thisfrickinguy wrote: If DB was that good, he wouldn't have made it to the Chargers roster from another team via free agency.
Particularly when the Colts best alternative right now is the disaster that is Trent Richardson.

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Posted: 07/22/2014 8:14 AM

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You make an excellent point syx, and this is an unfortunate situation for sure.  While TT "fixed" our RB depth issue that really hurt us in the playoffs, he mortgaged the future at the position if he has any intention of extending Ryan.

We have 3 possibilities here. 

1.  Throw quite a bit of money into one position (being RB), covering Ryan's new contract (which I hope is reasonable, and not "top 10" money for the position), as well as Donald's contract.

2.  Franchise Ryan, and keep Donald (also very expensive for a single position).

3.  Let Ryan walk if he asks for too much money, and spend a high draft pick on RB, a more affordable option, but one that might be risky (the rookie could bust).

What to do?  

For now, I'll be happy to see better depth at RB, and I'll be watching Ryan very closely.  He needs to do three things for me to want him back.

1.  No fumbles.
2.  Start breaking the bigger (20+ yard) runs.
3.  Be consistent.

I think he's capable of doing all three.  I just want to see it this year.  I don't care if he doesn't hit the 1500 yard mark or anything, as I think Woodhead and Brown steal some touches, but he MUST make the most of his chances.


syxwunine wrote:
yantha wrote: If he improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10 TD's then that's exactly the kind of RB i want starting for us to yes, absolutely I'd want him back.  I'm also not suggesting that Donald Brown would be his replacement if he wasn't brought back.

IMO TT will offer a contract worth his value, and we'll see if Ryan thinks he's worth more or not.  

Personally I hope he FINALLY becomes a first round, dominant force for us.

In the past it was more about fumbles, and injuries.

Last year he put together a solid season, and I hope we see him build on that.


I agree, the problem now is we've already committed his money to Donald Brown.  Who after 5 years is still aspiring to BE Ryan Mathews.

Only thing I was really saying is I wasn't really on board with the Brown signing, I'd be equally as happy with Grice as the #3 and Oliver as the #4, and give Mathews 1 more year to figure out how to fix his only real weakness.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 9:12 AM

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Doc, if he does your 3 things and 1500 yds, he's worth a contract ext. and a pay increase IMO, in the the scheme we have in place, he's the perfect back. FT, is not a terrible option, not one of my favorites at the same time, it's a life pre-
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You make an excellent point syx, and this is an unfortunate situation for sure.  While TT "fixed" our RB depth issue that really hurt us in the playoffs, he mortgaged the future at the position if he has any intention of extending Ryan.

We have 3 possibilities here. 

1.  Throw quite a bit of money into one position (being RB), covering Ryan's new contract (which I hope is reasonable, and not "top 10" money for the position), as well as Donald's contract.

2.  Franchise Ryan, and keep Donald (also very expensive for a single position).

3.  Let Ryan walk if he asks for too much money, and spend a high draft pick on RB, a more affordable option, but one that might be risky (the rookie could bust).

What to do?  

For now, I'll be happy to see better depth at RB, and I'll be watching Ryan very closely.  He needs to do three things for me to want him back.

1.  No fumbles.
2.  Start breaking the bigger (20+ yard) runs.
3.  Be consistent.

I think he's capable of doing all three.  I just want to see it this year.  I don't care if he doesn't hit the 1500 yard mark or anything, as I think Woodhead and Brown steal some touches, but he MUST make the most of his chances.


syxwunine wrote:
yantha wrote: If he improves his blitz pickup, and runs for 1200 yards and 10 TD's then that's exactly the kind of RB i want starting for us to yes, absolutely I'd want him back.  I'm also not suggesting that Donald Brown would be his replacement if he wasn't brought back.

IMO TT will offer a contract worth his value, and we'll see if Ryan thinks he's worth more or not.  

Personally I hope he FINALLY becomes a first round, dominant force for us.

In the past it was more about fumbles, and injuries.

Last year he put together a solid season, and I hope we see him build on that.


I agree, the problem now is we've already committed his money to Donald Brown.  Who after 5 years is still aspiring to BE Ryan Mathews.

Only thing I was really saying is I wasn't really on board with the Brown signing, I'd be equally as happy with Grice as the #3 and Oliver as the #4, and give Mathews 1 more year to figure out how to fix his only real weakness.


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Posted: 07/24/2014 12:58 PM

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Mathews was superb last season, but the thought of giving him a long-term contract is a little nerve-racking. He has yet to make it through an entire season healthy, and while his ball security has improved, that is still a legitimate concern.

Hopefully, Grice wins the starting kick returner job, ensuring himself a place on the roster. That would give him a year to develop in case he is needed more on offense in 2015. 

Unless Mathews finally stays healthy and has a monster season, I can see the Chargers letting him walk and using a third- or fourth-round pick to tab his replacement in the draft.
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Posted: 07/24/2014 1:28 PM

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Yeah Mike I think we keep only 2 QBs (Rivers, Sorenson) and no FBs, and you'll see us keep 4 RBs on the 53 man roster. Its just an unfortunate side affect of paying Brown and drafting Grice, both are good enough to make the roster, but someone (Grice) is not going to touch the ball unless one or two guys get hurt.

And let's not forget Oliver, sounds like the kid is quick and patient. He might have a big preseason.

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