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Springboard into 2014

Posted: 07/13/2014 12:26 PM

Springboard into 2014 


Ya know after all the analizing and speculating since the draft, the bottom line is, if this team stays healthly with the
way we finished last year? I mean, really, If we had Donald Brown to come in to finish up when Ryno came up lame, or if Whiz would of started the 4th quarter  offense earlier in the Denver game? Teams are expecting The Bronco's to
be the Bronco's, but we  can still sneak up on teams IMO, at first, even thou it's only (1) year, we have continuity,
and it's going to show! 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/...thews/12521891/




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Posted: 07/13/2014 2:42 PM

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I completely agree with you Vise, there were some crucial coaching growing pains, but that was to be expected.  Especially with a rookie HC and new staff.  There were some holes in this roster, but by the end of the year this team was playing very good football.  The poor depth was the curcial issue.

I think the offense is pretty much set and there.  I expect Rivers to have another outstanding season.  The oline may not be the best but is certainly good enough to win with, if the offense stays with the uptempo as I think they will.

The secondary is for the most part young and relativiely inexperienced but hopefully they will come together quickly.  Just like Cox was a key factor early, IMO so is Flowers.  But this year IMO if Flowers struggles early, then I see a quick hook, much faster than with Cox.  They have options this year they didn't have last year.  With Flowers at LCB it makes play by the safety more important than ever.Flowers lack of long speed is a concern.  I think he will be fine covering routes 1-6 but will be vulnerable in 7-9.  I don't think last year was a fluke. I think OC's Whiz included game planned to isolate him and go deep with a fast receiver.

If there is an area of concern it's dline depth, specifically behind Reyes and Luiget.  Lissemore needs to up his game because IMO he will be the primary rotational guy behind both.  That said, I think it's going to be crucial over the long term of the season that at least one of Geathers, Carrethers or Palepoi really step up and contrbute significant snaps.

If both Law and Attaochu have big years this defense could be very good.  They both have the potential to become the bookend outside pass rushers for a long time.  With them for the first time in years they would have real speed on both sides outside. 

No doubt this season holds a lot of promise and I love how the Chargers are flying under the radar.  Most still expect this team to finish 3rd in the AFCW but I see them contending for the division.  If they can sweep KC and the Raiders and get even a spit with the Donkeys it will come down to the wire.
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Posted: 07/14/2014 9:28 AM

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The other unit with a depth issue is receiver.  Of course, the saving grace there is Philip Rivers, who has already had a league leading season passing to a corps of street signees in 2010.  But I would still like to see a couple more guys of at or near Keenan Allen level ability in that unit.

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Posted: 07/15/2014 7:38 AM

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One of the nice things is that we go into camp looking for the best of the good, rather than the least bad. Barring strategically critical injuries, each unit (offense, defense, ST) looks improved. Assuming we can eliminate the bonehead games from last year (e.g. the Houston game), I think we can man up against anyone. Our schedule is tough enough to keep us focused on each game as it comes up - take your eye off the ball for a couple of minutes and you might look up to a 14-0 score! If we are still in the running at the other end of that grinder we should be confident enough for a real run.
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Posted: 07/15/2014 9:11 AM

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88 I am not understanding the concern about the WR depth:

Allen
Floyd
Royal
Ajirotutu
Brown
Inman
Reese
Chancellor
Green?
88Unbeatable82 wrote: The other unit with a depth issue is receiver.  Of course, the saving grace there is Philip Rivers, who has already had a league leading season passing to a corps of street signees in 2010.  But I would still like to see a couple more guys of at or near Keenan Allen level ability in that unit.
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Posted: 07/15/2014 9:18 AM

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GoBolts17 wrote: 88 I am not understanding the concern about the WR depth:

Allen
Floyd
Royal
Ajirotutu
Brown
Inman
Reese
Chancellor
Green?
88Unbeatable82 wrote: The other unit with a depth issue is receiver.  Of course, the saving grace there is Philip Rivers, who has already had a league leading season passing to a corps of street signees in 2010.  But I would still like to see a couple more guys of at or near Keenan Allen level ability in that unit.
I think what was 88 is referring to is consistent high level play from the group.  Floyd though very talented is in all honesty on his way out (age wise) and as we all know injury prone.  Royal is super talented but due to his injury issue is kind of a shell of his former Bronco glory days.  Inman is TBD at this level.  Tutu is a solid ST but isn't an every down WR for whatever reason.  Reese is fresh meat and may get lost in the shuffle if he doesn't flash very early.
It's not about how many times you get knocked down.  It's whether or not you are willing to get back up. 

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Posted: 07/15/2014 10:38 AM

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GoBo, after Allen, who in that group is a top tier NFL receiver?  I don't see anyone.  As much as everyone personally loves Floyd (as do I), he has never been a guy who consistently, every game, gets top tier production.  Never.  Plus, he misses time every year.  Every year.  Royal and VB both have talent, but so far, neither of them has had top tier production game in and game out, either.  Tutu has one big game a year.  I mean, come on, nothing more need be said about him.  And after those guys, who else is left?  Heck, we're even banking on a guy to duplicate what he's done just once in Allen, although I admit that I think the chance is good that he will.

Let me put it another way.  After Allen, who is this team's next Danario Alexander, a guy with top tier talent who will back it up with game in, game out high level production?  Because I don't see him.  I see a handful of guys who have either never played in an NFL game before, or will every once in a while give you really good production, and then disappear the next game or two.

Sorry, but I don't call that very good depth.

Like I said, though, Rivers always has masked such deficiencies.  He did the same thing with very average offensive lines for years, too, until last year.  And I have no doubt he will continue to, if needed.

But that doesn't change the truth about the receiver corps wink.

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Posted: 07/15/2014 1:11 PM

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88Unbeatable82 wrote: GoBo, after Allen, who in that group is a top tier NFL receiver?  I don't see anyone.  As much as everyone personally loves Floyd (as do I), he has never been a guy who consistently, every game, gets top tier production.  Never.  Plus, he misses time every year.  Every year.  Royal and VB both have talent, but so far, neither of them has had top tier production game in and game out, either.  Tutu has one big game a year.  I mean, come on, nothing more need be said about him.  And after those guys, who else is left?  Heck, we're even banking on a guy to duplicate what he's done just once in Allen, although I admit that I think the chance is good that he will.

Let me put it another way.  After Allen, who is this team's next Danario Alexander, a guy with top tier talent who will back it up with game in, game out high level production?  Because I don't see him.  I see a handful of guys who have either never played in an NFL game before, or will every once in a while give you really good production, and then disappear the next game or two.

Sorry, but I don't call that very good depth.

Like I said, though, Rivers always has masked such deficiencies.  He did the same thing with very average offensive lines for years, too, until last year.  And I have no doubt he will continue to, if needed.

But that doesn't change the truth about the receiver corps wink.
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Posted: 07/15/2014 3:03 PM

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See there, vise, I convinced him.  YESSSSS tongue!

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Posted: 07/15/2014 4:06 PM

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Who convinced who? LOL?biggrin You both have good points, I believe Brown breaks out from last year's funk, and preps himself to take over the slot from Royal next year, It would be nice if Inmann pans out, but we really have going for us is Green and 3 RB's the can catch out of the backfield also!
88Unbeatable82 wrote:

See there, vise, I convinced him.  YESSSSS tongue!





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Posted: 07/15/2014 4:27 PM

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Good points, finally, except for Maybe NT, we don't have to Settle, and Quietly our ST's have done a good enough job
to keep us in games, not letting them get away like year's pastohlord
OPBolt wrote: One of the nice things is that we go into camp looking for the best of the good, rather than the least bad. Barring strategically critical injuries, each unit (offense, defense, ST) looks improved. Assuming we can eliminate the bonehead games from last year (e.g. the Houston game), I think we can man up against anyone. Our schedule is tough enough to keep us focused on each game as it comes up - take your eye off the ball for a couple of minutes and you might look up to a 14-0 score! If we are still in the running at the other end of that grinder we should be confident enough for a real run.




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Posted: 07/15/2014 10:01 PM

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Well to quote Coach M.    " I like this team"    As well I like this coach and GM.
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Posted: 07/16/2014 6:29 AM

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I am cautiously optimistic this season.  Hope that the injury bug doesn't hurt us from being a playoff team.
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Posted: 07/16/2014 6:55 AM

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Good point about our WR depth, but IMO the main concern about our WR's is whether they can stay healthy (referring to Royal and Floyd).

I am not so worried about it though since we have some pretty good options in the passing game with Gates, Green (who has the same body-build as Vincent Jackson), Woodhead who all contribute to moving the chains.

I also have a lot of confidence in Royal and Tutu (in addition to Allen).  Royal was a MAJOR factor in winning two games for us last year, and Tutu has never let us down when called upon.  I hope his number gets called three-fold more times this season.

Floyd is the big ? If he truly is healthy and can give us 8 games, we all know what he brings.

Brown, well….  I hope he improves.

I don't expect Inman will be a Charger by the time preseason ends, unless Floyd pulls up lame.  Inman vs. Tutu?  Tutu all the way.

Floyd
Allen
Royal
Tutu
Brown


88Unbeatable82 wrote: The other unit with a depth issue is receiver.  Of course, the saving grace there is Philip Rivers, who has already had a league leading season passing to a corps of street signees in 2010.  But I would still like to see a couple more guys of at or near Keenan Allen level ability in that unit.

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Posted: 07/16/2014 7:27 AM

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I'm with you Doc on Tutu, he needs more looks and River's has a comfort level with him so? Royal is always money,
Runs great routes, and like I've stated a cajilion times , his body isn't beat up for his years because of those nagging (I) that kept him sidelined in Denver, we don't have the WOW receivers except for Maybe, Allen and Green
Will be after this year, but in This System, with This QB, with RB's that can catch, we should be fine, and I have confidence that our SDSU alumus has a bounce back year also!


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Good point about our WR depth, but IMO the main concern about our WR's is whether they can stay healthy (referring to Royal and Floyd).

I am not so worried about it though since we have some pretty good options in the passing game with Gates, Green (who has the same body-build as Vincent Jackson), Woodhead who all contribute to moving the chains.

I also have a lot of confidence in Royal and Tutu (in addition to Allen).  Royal was a MAJOR factor in winning two games for us last year, and Tutu has never let us down when called upon.  I hope his number gets called three-fold more times this season.

Floyd is the big ? If he truly is healthy and can give us 8 games, we all know what he brings.

Brown, well….  I hope he improves.

I don't expect Inman will be a Charger by the time preseason ends, unless Floyd pulls up lame.  Inman vs. Tutu?  Tutu all the way.

Floyd
Allen
Royal
Tutu
Brown


88Unbeatable82 wrote: The other unit with a depth issue is receiver.  Of course, the saving grace there is Philip Rivers, who has already had a league leading season passing to a corps of street signees in 2010.  But I would still like to see a couple more guys of at or near Keenan Allen level ability in that unit.


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Posted: 07/16/2014 7:31 AM

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Excellent points OP!! The 1st sentence of your post says it all! There's a different environment and a new energy with this team now. You just didn't get that feeling the last couple of seasons under Norv and AJ. I like how Telesco, McCoy and the whole organization have instilled an "us against the world" mentality and that they really have this team believing that they can play with anybody in the NFL....and IMO they can and will!!

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One of the nice things is that we go into camp looking for the best of the good, rather than the least bad. Barring strategically critical injuries, each unit (offense, defense, ST) looks improved. Assuming we can eliminate the bonehead games from last year (e.g. the Houston game), I think we can man up against anyone. Our schedule is tough enough to keep us focused on each game as it comes up - take your eye off the ball for a couple of minutes and you might look up to a 14-0 score! If we are still in the running at the other end of that grinder we should be confident enough for a real run.

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Posted: 07/16/2014 8:29 AM

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yantha wrote: Good point about our WR depth, but IMO the main concern about our WR's is whether they can stay healthy (referring to Royal and Floyd).

I am not so worried about it though since we have some pretty good options in the passing game with Gates, Green (who has the same body-build as Vincent Jackson), Woodhead who all contribute to moving the chains.

But that's the whole point about depth - what the team has available to turn to if starters get injured.  A big part of my point.

I made the point about how the overall passing game likely won't suffer, though, because of Rivers.  And you, and others, are correct about the same thing because of Gates, Green, Woodhead and even newcomer Brown.  No question.  But none of them are receivers.  And that was the issue here.  Which units have a depth issue.

And receiver simply does.  The fact that it probably won't hurt the team, because of players at other positions, is a different issue wink.

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Posted: 07/16/2014 12:59 PM

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I threw this in here because of the debate, also a couple added names, who knows?



Training Camp Preview: Wide Receivers

From now until the start of training camp, we’ll preview each position for the San Diego Chargers.  We continue with a breakdown of the wide receivers.  The Bolts currently have 11 on their roster: Keenan Allen, Malcom Floyd, Eddie Royal, Vincent Brown, Seyi Ajirotutu, Tevin Reese, Dontrelle Inman, Torrence Allen, Brelan Chancellor, Micah Hatfield and Javontee Herndon.

K. Allen – A smooth route-runner with reliable hands, the 22-year old aims to build off his explosive rookie season.  Allen set Chargers rookie records with 1,046 yards and 71 catches while leading all NFL rookies in receptions, yards and touchdown catches (eight).  He became the first rookie to top the 1,000-yard plateau since A.J. Green in 2011 and was also just the fifth since 2000 to do so.  The 6-2, 211-pounder also delivered on the big stage, recording eight catches for 163 yards with two touchdowns during the playoffs.  Allen became a popular figure in San Diego, yet has reiterated all offseason he isn’t satisfied with one season.  Instead he is determined to make even bigger strides in 2014.


Floyd – Last season was a scary one for Floyd, who suffered a neck injury during a Week 2 win over the Philadelphia Eagles and was forced to miss the rest of the year.  Some doubted whether Floyd would ever return, but the humble wideout worked tirelessly and is poised to make a major comeback for the Bolts.  At 6-5, 225-pounds, he is a tall, rangy target that has long been a favorite of Philip Rivers.  A staple of the offense since 2008, Floyd’s posted 239 receptions for 4,133 yards and 25 touchdowns.  His 17.3-yards per catch average ranks fourth in team history among players with at least 200 catches.


Royal – Shifty and elusive, Royal is expected to once again thrive out of the slot in 2014.  In his sixth NFL season and second in San Diego, 2013 was a career year for the 5-10, 185-pounder as he set a new personal high and tied for the team lead with eight touchdown receptions on 47 catches, giving him a TD for every 5.9 catches.  That proved to be the sixth highest ratio in the league.  Royal’s 47 receptions were good for 631 yards. 


Brown – The former Aztec missed all of 2012 with a broken ankle, yet rebounded to play in all 16 games last season in what essentially was his rookie year.  He notched 41 catches for 472 yards and one touchdown. Having more seasoning under his belt, Brown is even more confident heading into 2014.


Ajirotutu – Fans rejoiced when the popular “Tutu” re-signed with the Bolts in March, and it’s easy to see why.  Although he had just three catches last year, he caught perhaps the biggest touchdown of the year when he snared a diving 26-yard game-winning score in Kansas City with less than 30 seconds to play.  While Ajirotutu provides excellent depth at wideout, he also excelled on special teams as a gunner and figures to thrive in both roles this season once again.


Reese – The Bolts’ final pick in the 2014 draft was an explosive one as the team added a speedy playmaker that can stretch the defense.  Reese proved in college capable of hitting pay dirt on any given play as his 21 career touchdowns of 40-plus yards set Baylor and NCAA records. The 5-10, 170-pounder was a three-time All-Big 12 honoree and left school ranked third all-time in career touchdowns (24), receptions (187) and yards (3,102). 


Inman – Inman comes to San Diego after dominating the Canadian Football League over two years with the Toronto Argonauts.  He caught 50 passes for 739 yards and six touchdowns in 2013, one year after helping the team capture the Grey Cup with another 50 catch effort for 803 yards and five touchdowns.  Overall, the 6-2, 203-pounder caught 100 passes for 1,542 yards and 11 scores, averaging 15.4 yards per reception.


T. Allen – A star at tiny West Texas A&M, Allen was highly productive at the collegiate level.  He enters the NFL right off a 93 catch season for 1,272 yards and eight touchdowns.


Chancellor – Explosive North Texas WR was also a special teams star in college. He ranked in top 10 in punt and kickoff returns, and was named the 2013 Conference USA Special Teams Player of the Year.


Hatfield – Injuries derailed a promising career at Oregon State for Hatfield.  He had just 20 catches for 234 yards and four touchdowns in college, but is talented and looking for a fresh start in the NFL


Herndon – Another undrafted free agent coming off a career year, the Arkansas wideout set career-highs in 2013 with 31 catches for 437 yards and four touchdows.




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Posted: 07/16/2014 3:15 PM

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I'm on record as saying we should have grabbed a WR in one of rounds 2-5, specifically because of the lack of depth in the event of the likely injury to one or more of our wide outs whom have a history of injuries.  But I have complete faith in TT and I am certain he knows better than I. And he did draft a WR in round 7 in the speedy yet slight Tevin Reese. I say we carry 6 receivers and Tutu is a lock for #5 due to his ridiculous skill set as a special teams ace at the gunner position. So, that leaves one spot for Reese, Inman, Chancelor, T. Allen, Herndon and my darkhorse Micah Hatfield to fight for. I like Reese simply because they drafted him.

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Posted: 07/16/2014 6:11 PM

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Tevin Reese bring speed to the field for the Chargers.  Hope he can learn the offense and stay healthy.
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