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Lane Johnson - From the 'You never know' desk.

Posted: 07/01/2014 10:10 AM

Lane Johnson - From the 'You never know' desk. 


Lane Johnson apparently tested positive for PEDs, and is now facing a 4 game suspension because of it.  I post this here because of the number of us (myself included), and maybe most of us, that had him as our number one target in last year's draft.  While he had a very good rookie year for the Eagles last year, and has all the talent to become a top tackle for years in this league, if you can't be on the field for your team, for whatever reason(s), none of that matters.  I would expect him to put the cheating behind him moving forward, but as the thread title indicates, you never know.

Just as none of us knew a year ago that he would do this.  Had many of us gotten our wish, the Bolts would now be without their starting tackle for 4 games.  Just another of the many reasons why its good that the people running this team are who they are, and not any of us tongue.

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Posted: 07/01/2014 10:41 AM

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Very true, touched on that yesterday, that when he got popped that we got the best of the bunch when we drafted Fluker because of his work ethic, great guy, cornerstone player.




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Posted: 07/01/2014 12:55 PM

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"We" wanted Lane Johnson and Clary as our starting tackles.  Instead we have the King and Fluker.  I, for one (and many others, I assume) am glad that TT was drafting instead some other posters.  Johnson and Clary would have been a "disaster of a draft".  Of course Dunlap is only a Band-Aid until we draft a bonafide LT in 2015.  Even if Dunlap doesn't suffer any concussions this year there is no guarantee that he won't in the future.  But I guess the same could be said of Rivers, Mathews, Butler, all of whom have had serious injuries.  So with our first round pick we need to target a LT, QB, ILB, RB, and don't forget the injuries to Verrett and Flowers, so we might need a CB as well.  Oh, I almost forgot WR (Floyd).  Luckily we have 6 picks in the first round to address all these needs.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 6:56 PM

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stinehart wrote: "We" wanted Lane Johnson and Clary as our starting tackles.  Instead we have the King and Fluker.  I, for one (and many others, I assume) am glad that TT was drafting instead some other posters.  Johnson and Clary would have been a "disaster of a draft".  Of course Dunlap is only a Band-Aid until we draft a bonafide LT in 2015.  Even if Dunlap doesn't suffer any concussions this year there is no guarantee that he won't in the future.  But I guess the same could be said of Rivers, Mathews, Butler, all of whom have had serious injuries.  So with our first round pick we need to target a LT, QB, ILB, RB, and don't forget the injuries to Verrett and Flowers, so we might need a CB as well.  Oh, I almost forgot WR (Floyd).  Luckily we have 6 picks in the first round to address all these needs.
You seem to forget that Becton and Inman are the FUTURE.sarcasm.gif So luckily we are set despite Telesco's classic reaches.

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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:04 PM

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OK this is the time of year we get to play around so here's another what if, this is a real stretch, first Johnson now:
A lot of people wanted Kiko instead of Te'o
Edit: some people wanted Kiko!

Bills WLB Kiko Alonso tore his ACL while working out and is expected to miss the season.
It's a massive loss for a Bills defense that quietly ranked 10th in the league last year and was trending up. The versatile and athletic Alonso played every single snap during his standout rookie campaign, dominating in coverage and coming second in Defensive Rookie of the Year voting. He's been slapped with a 7-9 month recovery timetable and will likely be placed on injured reserve shortly. Next up at weak-side linebacker as the Bills shift to a 4-3 would be Nigel Bradham or Preston Brown.
Related: Preston Brown, Nigel Bradham




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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:06 PM

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Ya Stine, keep up would ya!


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stinehart wrote: "We" wanted Lane Johnson and Clary as our starting tackles.  Instead we have the King and Fluker.  I, for one (and many others, I assume) am glad that TT was drafting instead some other posters.  Johnson and Clary would have been a "disaster of a draft".  Of course Dunlap is only a Band-Aid until we draft a bonafide LT in 2015.  Even if Dunlap doesn't suffer any concussions this year there is no guarantee that he won't in the future.  But I guess the same could be said of Rivers, Mathews, Butler, all of whom have had serious injuries.  So with our first round pick we need to target a LT, QB, ILB, RB, and don't forget the injuries to Verrett and Flowers, so we might need a CB as well.  Oh, I almost forgot WR (Floyd).  Luckily we have 6 picks in the first round to address all these needs.
You seem to forget that Becton and Inman are the FUTURE.sarcasm.gif So luckily we are set despite Telesco's classic reaches.

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Posted: 07/01/2014 7:45 PM

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I did and I was wrong. Fluker is the man and looks like he will be a true beast for a long time at which ever spot he holds down on the OLine. I didnt think we should have moved up for Manti and I loved Alonso and I said it all along and I hope I turn out to be wrong about that. I dont think we should have moved up for Atta boy and should have stayed put and drafted a wide reciever like Lattimer. Again I hope Im wrong there. But maybe we're both right.. Like my pap always said...."there's more than one way to skin a cat."

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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:21 PM

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I love Fluker.  He is the real deal with a mean streak.  I remember when he body slammed a Raider last season.  Love his enthusiasm.
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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:26 PM

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I wonder how well Tommy's gonna do once he gets a couple drafts under his belt!




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Posted: 07/01/2014 8:33 PM

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Parkus wrote: I did and I was wrong. Fluker is the man and looks like he will be a true beast for a long time at which ever spot he holds down on the OLine. I didnt think we should have moved up for Manti and I loved Alonso and I said it all along and I hope I turn out to be wrong about that. I dont think we should have moved up for Atta boy and should have stayed put and drafted a wide reciever like Lattimer. Again I hope Im wrong there. But maybe we're both right.. Like my pap always said...."there's more than one way to skin a cat."
Although I do like Fluker a lot, he's been pretty much what I expected.  Great run blocker, but I think he'd struggle with pass blocking just as much as Clary did in Norv's scheme.  In McCoy's scheme his one weakness (foot quickness) is offset by more short drop backs and quick passing plays.

His attitude is awesome though, clearly a future leader here for the foreseeable future.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 5:45 AM

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I did forget about Inman and Becton.  I could blame it on age, but that would be an excuse.  Mea Culpa. Mea Ultima Culpa.
syxwunine wrote:
stinehart wrote: "We" wanted Lane Johnson and Clary as our starting tackles.  Instead we have the King and Fluker.  I, for one (and many others, I assume) am glad that TT was drafting instead some other posters.  Johnson and Clary would have been a "disaster of a draft".  Of course Dunlap is only a Band-Aid until we draft a bonafide LT in 2015.  Even if Dunlap doesn't suffer any concussions this year there is no guarantee that he won't in the future.  But I guess the same could be said of Rivers, Mathews, Butler, all of whom have had serious injuries.  So with our first round pick we need to target a LT, QB, ILB, RB, and don't forget the injuries to Verrett and Flowers, so we might need a CB as well.  Oh, I almost forgot WR (Floyd).  Luckily we have 6 picks in the first round to address all these needs.
You seem to forget that Becton and Inman are the FUTURE.sarcasm.gif So luckily we are set despite Telesco's classic reaches.
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Posted: 07/02/2014 9:24 AM

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vise,the point about Alonso now is certainly valid, but his situation is a complete universe apart from Johnson's.  There's really no reasonable way that I've ever heard for faulting a guy for getting hurt like he did.  Heck, the Bolts had the exact same thing to deal with last year with the loss of Baby 'Zilla, and that certainly wasn't his fault, either.  Even the reduced level of play from Te'o was nobody's fault, given that he had to play on a broken foot.

But when you intentionally make the decision to do what Johnson did (and plenty before him have done), the fault lies 100% with him.  Completely different situations to me wink.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 10:31 AM

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Totally agree, that's why  I said it was a Stretch at best, wasn't even comparing the two, just a coincidence two guys
we touted last year are down, like I said just boring fodder stuff, anything else you want to make me feel like an idiot about?tonguesurprisedbiggrin J/K
88Unbeatable82 wrote: vise,the point about Alonso now is certainly valid, but his situation is a complete universe apart from Johnson's.  There's really no reasonable way that I've ever heard for faulting a guy for getting hurt like he did.  Heck, the Bolts had the exact same thing to deal with last year with the loss of Baby 'Zilla, and that certainly wasn't his fault, either.  Even the reduced level of play from Te'o was nobody's fault, given that he had to play on a broken foot.

But when you intentionally make the decision to do what Johnson did (and plenty before him have done), the fault lies 100% with him.  Completely different situations to me wink.




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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:13 PM

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Ha ha, no idiots here (among the regulars, of course) wink.

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Posted: 07/02/2014 4:19 PM

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Dude, could you imagine what kind of animal DJ would like if he was juiced up?
Hide the women and children!




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Posted: 07/03/2014 1:32 PM

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Though I would have preffered Fish from the big 3 (mainly cause I thought Luke and Lane would have gone ahead of Fish) I wouldn't have been upset with them going Lane.

Even with this coming out I wouldn't been upset with them going Lane. I knew Lane would have struggled early vs NFL level power. Heck most if not all rooks struggle with power and speednof the game.


My thing is if any of those 3 would have been in SD's offense with Coach D as the OL coach, I have no doubt that any of them would have been just as successful as DJ has been.

Now that's not to take away from DJ, but you have to admit that the questions surrounding DJ was one of the biggest reason for Flukers huge turnaround.

The great thing about it was he got it and he got it early on in his career. Some guys like Gaithers for example never get it. But DJ can go really far with his potential because he get's it. And a huge plus with this team is most if not all the guys in this current squad get it.
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Posted: 07/03/2014 1:40 PM

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Any of the big three would have been OK.  The key is that TT did not panic and trade the farm to move up to snag one of them.  That is the key--we got a very good RT in the draft, then signed a very good LT in Dunlap.  That is how you build a team.  Take what comes in the draft, sign appropriate FA's, and fix the problem areas one step at a time.  TT has the patience to build one brick at a time, setting the foundation for a competitive team now, and in the future.  Had we traded our first and our third to pick any of the three, we would not have Keenan Allen on the roster.  That's skill, not luck.
Thisfrickinguy wrote: Though I would have preffered Fish from the big 3 (mainly cause I thought Luke and Lane would have gone ahead of Fish) I wouldn't have been upset with them going Lane.

Even with this coming out I wouldn't been upset with them going Lane. I knew Lane would have struggled early vs NFL level power. Heck most if not all rooks struggle with power and speednof the game.


My thing is if any of those 3 would have been in SD's offense with Coach D as the OL coach, I have no doubt that any of them would have been just as successful as DJ has been.

Now that's not to take away from DJ, but you have to admit that the questions surrounding DJ was one of the biggest reason for Flukers huge turnaround.

The great thing about it was he got it and he got it early on in his career. Some guys like Gaithers for example never get it. But DJ can go really far with his potential because he get's it. And a huge plus with this team is most if not all the guys in this current squad get it.
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Posted: 07/03/2014 2:30 PM

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Man, this has turned into a more interesting topic than I ever thought it would.  I say that because now, yet another of last year's rookies that a number here wanted has been caught doing the same stupid, selfish thing Johnson did.  Dion Jordan is now facing a 4 game suspension for taking a banned substance.

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Posted: 07/03/2014 2:42 PM

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I remember some posters grading TT's 2013 as a C- or D+, stating that we needed a LT, and intimating that we should trade our #1 and #3 to move up and grab any of the three top rated LT's.  HMMM---Lane Johnson, Clary as our starting tackles, no Keenan Allen, OR King Dunlap, Fluker as our starting tackles AND Keenan Allen.  I'll have to ponder that for a while.  I sure hope TT gets the hang of drafting soon, else I think we'll be competing for the overall number one pick.  At least we can draft a LT then.
viseman61 wrote: I wonder how well Tommy's gonna do once he gets a couple drafts under his belt!
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Posted: 07/03/2014 2:51 PM

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And a Guard from the Chiefs also, WTF is going on here? Are the 'types' of substances being tested any different?
Do the players think that these quick fix masking devices that you buy on the Internet work? I don't know, but already
It seams like starting around the Sentrel Hendersen, Josh Gordon Pops, it ain't a looking good out there!
Thank God all we got so far is a LB who likes to MMA at Bars!




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