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CB Brandon Flowers visits Chargers

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Posted: 06/18/2014 1:13 PM

CB Brandon Flowers visits Chargers 


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Posted: 06/18/2014 1:22 PM

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This would all but solidify the CB problem if he is the right fit, TT WILL find a way to sign him, trust me! He wont be asking for the moon Anyway! And to snipe a division rival? C'on!




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Posted: 06/18/2014 1:34 PM

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I would be shocked if we found the cap space to compete with the other 5-10 reported teams also interested.

I hope it gets done, but Clary is a big obstical.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 2:37 PM

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This is where we see what kind of salesman TT is:
Mr Flowers didn't KC release you? That's a shame, well here in SD, you will have (2) opportunities a year to show your love for them
Speaking of love, have you seen our beaches and the uuhhmmm, scenery that comes with it
Oh and by the way, we are pretty Damn close to being a SB contender, so whadda ya say?




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Last edited 06/18/2014 2:38 PM by viseman61

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Posted: 06/18/2014 3:04 PM

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OTC has SD at 132 in cap committments.

I think the projected cap for this year is 135?

Flowers wont cost 10 mil but i dont believe he'll be cheap unless he signs a 1-yr prove it deal to cash in next year in 2015.

Would figure around 4-7 million or so.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 3:23 PM

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Would be outstanding. The fact we brought him here seems to suggest TT is serious about Flowers. He wouldn't do this merely to drive his price up, would he?
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Posted: 06/18/2014 3:41 PM

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If we can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal on the cheap, go for it.  Otherwise, don't waste a lot of money on him as he is on the downside of his career.
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Posted: 06/18/2014 4:29 PM

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Bolt4ever wrote: If we can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal on the cheap, go for it.  Otherwise, don't waste a lot of money on him as he is on the downside of his career.
This. I also think we are nearing our allotment of 5' 9" corners. Although, Flowers would be a nice get. What about Chris Houston?
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Posted: 06/18/2014 5:27 PM

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We won't get him on the cheap, experience usually doesn't, plus the guy can still ball, so we need vet help back there
And our options are limited, Yantha's Bengal idea is taking a while to develope so something has to give, now Ghee
Would fit the bill but?




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Posted: 06/18/2014 5:30 PM

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Bolt4ever wrote: If we can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal on the cheap, go for it.  Otherwise, don't waste a lot of money on him as he is on the downside of his career.
Just because he had a bad year in 2013 (played out of position nearly 60% of the time) doesn't exactly mean he's on his downside, he's only 28, and he is one of the best perimeter DBs in the league still, I would argue somewhere I in the top 10. 

The length of he deal is not that important anymore, the bulk of guaranteed money typically runs out by year 3, at which point it becomes almost no burden at all to have to release a player.  Derek Cox is example 1A, because despite giving him a 4 year $20M dollar deal, we SAVED money cutting him in year 2, and his dead money hit is not crippling.

So I would be onboard for a 3 or 4 year deal, it just comes down to the guaranteed money.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 8:22 PM

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syxwunine wrote: Clary is a big obstical.
No pun intended.tongue
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Posted: 06/18/2014 8:46 PM

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He's spending the night, Stingries?

www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network...g-with-Chargers




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Last edited 06/18/2014 8:53 PM by viseman61

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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:25 PM

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viseman61 wrote: He's spending the night, Stingries?

www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network...g-with-Chargers


I'm feeling pretty good about this if he's spending the night. Either the Chargers are having a slumber party or they are pulling out all the stops to sign this guy. I imagine a trip to the Zoo is on the early morning itenerary(SP?) followed by the Early Man exhibit at Balboa Park.

But what are they doing tonight? What is Stingries?
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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:40 PM

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Which group of 5 do you like more...

Wright
Verrett
Williams
Gilchrist
Marshall

or...

Flowers
Wright
Verrett
Williams
Gilchrist

On paper, no duh we brought his guy in for an interview. It's going to come down to the contract, simple as that. I applaud Telesco for not just resting on his laurels right now, a certain GM who used to be here...would have.

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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:46 PM

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If I spend the night somewhere I'm buying in. That's all I gotta say.
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Posted: 06/18/2014 10:51 PM

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Posted: 06/18/2014 11:21 PM

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I want to wake up tomorrow and hear that this is a done deal. Please don't let this guy leave town without him leaving some ink on a piece of paper.

Last edited 06/18/2014 11:21 PM by ChargersWinII

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Posted: 06/19/2014 12:00 AM

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There is good reason to beware of signing this guy.  I for one wouldn't do it. Flowers has never had elite speed or athleticism and he is clearly on the downside.   I think those that want him should really stop and do some research on just why he got released by KC.  

He's nothing but a slot CB at this point in his career as he was being torched by faster outside receivers.  When he was moved inside he became a coaching problem with reportedly a poor attitude and work ethic. There also have been reports of issues with him in the locker room.  He's got a diva attitude without the athleticism to back it up.

This is another Cox problem signing waiting to happen.  If he is signed and doesn't pan out some on this board will deny there were any red flags on him just like they do now with Cox.

If they sign him it will be because they promised to play him outside.  That would be a HUGE mistake.  More than one OC has said when they game planned against him they knew he would run out of gas before the end of the game.  Others have said he's already lost a step and he didn't have much to begin with.

If Telesco signs him as Charger fans all we can do is hope he plays better here than he did in KC.  But as someone who watched his play last year I'm not going to hold my breath.  Because IMO Marshall is better at this point in their relative careers.

I suggest those that don't believe me read the Pat Kirwan article on him.  He's just saying things I've already heard elsewhere but his article is easy to find right now.  I'd post it but I can't do it with my current connection.
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Posted: 06/19/2014 12:56 AM

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Pat Kirwan
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With NFL short on cover corners, why is Brandon Flowers still free?


Every June, a few players are released who appear to be as good as any free agents from earlier in the offseason. The Patriots' grabbing jettisoned Chargers safety Rodney Harrison comes to mind. He led an all-rookie secondary to a Super Bowl victory over the Eagles.

Last week, the Chiefs cut cornerback Brandon Flowers. In a league starved for cover corners, it seemed he would be gobbled up in a few minutes, but he's still free. Ten teams were rumored to be interested, but only a few were identified.

Interest and commitment to signing him are two different things. There is a progression to resolving his situation, and it isn't as smooth a road as one would assume.

Step 1 -- Does he make a team better? While there are indications he may not be a top-flight corner, teams looking for a starter that have the cap space have Flowers on their radar. I found seven teams fitting those qualifications (in alphabetical order): 49ers, Jaguars, Jets, Panthers, Raiders, Steelers and Titans. Note the Falcons -- where former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is now an assistant GM -- are not on the list.

Step 2 -- Review his 2013 season: Why did the Chiefs release him? One teammate said Flowers was the club's best tackler, but his current salary (his cap hit was a reported $10.5M for 2014) is out of line for any team to match this upcoming season, so Flowers must come to grips with possibly getting half of what he was making in Kansas City amid concerns about where he fits.

One opposing coach who schemed against him twice said, "[Flowers] appeared out of gas. DeSean Jackson exposed his lack of ability to run with speed receivers, and he probably belongs as a slot nickel and not an outside player."

Other evaluators expressed concerns about Flowers' maturity level. A sampling:

One coach: "He wants to be the leader of the secondary, but he belongs in the nickel position and he's more of a zone cover two guy than a man-to-man guy, and that will be a problem with his ego."

Another position coach: "He tends to blame the coaches when things go bad."

A scout: "Flowers wasn't particularly good to Romeo Crennel or Emmitt Thomas."

Those comments raise doubts about coachability which need to be resolved in a day-long interview.

A former teammate said, "There was a time when Flowers was the man. Now he's kind of out a gas." But another coach said, "I wish we signed him, because he is an upgrade."

There is some debate about how many big plays he gave up last season, but the range is between 9 and 13.

Step 3 -- Determine what he is: Rather than a starter, signs point to Flowers as a nickel corner who probably belongs in underneath zone coverage and not isolated on speed receivers who prefer vertical routes.

Step 4 -- Does he fit in the locker room? One former teammate described Flowers as a bit of a loner. It doesn't appear he would come to a new team and try and dominate the locker room. He was one of only two players who didn't show up for the spring offseason program in Kansas City and he has lost a lot of money by being released. He appears to be more of a one-year rental who is young enough (28) to reinvent his career with a solid season.

Step 5 -- Bring him in for a workout and interview: If he declines, walk away or make a low-ball offer and hold your ground. Despite his perception among some observers, some teams will see him as an upgrade and the pool of free agents isn't very strong at this point.


www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/p...wers-still-free
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Posted: 06/19/2014 5:30 AM

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Beach you could win the lotto and ***** how heavy the money is, the Dude made the Pro Bowl last year, I'm NOT a stat guy, that's Stine, but I Did find this,
Even after a poor 2013, Brandon Flowers' +35.5 @PFF coverage grade in the last 5 seasons is the 5th-highest of any CB.

It doesn't hurt to bring a guy in for a look see, and BTW I LOVE the Te'o looks good and Syx fell in your trap spin,
Man, can I hire you to speak at my department sometime? That is Spin Doctor 101!




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