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Posted: 04/04/2014 6:39 PM

CB Vs CB vs Another positon of need first two rounds..... 


So we all know we need help at CB...I for one do not think we need a SS, I think we are covered there with Addae.

So Here is my question to all those out there that know more and do a lot more draft homework than me( yes Beach, I am talking to you, call your publisher I need another novel lol):

If Verrett is there at 25, do we grab him? If Lewan is there at 25, do we grab him? Marquise Lee? Mike Evans? Sua-Filo? Nix?

Me personally, would pick Lewan, Sua-Filo, or the best Wr or OLB available at 25, something in the cluster of :

Lewan, X-Filo, Lee, Barr, Evans, Cooks, Dee Ford, or Zach Martin

Round 2: The next playmaker of need

Rd 3 : CB of the " big 3"

and so on.....

So what do you think? Dumb idea? Or could it have traction, and which corner would you prefer in which round, for best all around value?
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Posted: 04/04/2014 6:48 PM

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I dont think we need to pick a CB in either of the first two rounds. If the corner is so much better than the players at other positions then by all means do it. But under the scenario you presented I wouldnt even consider Verrett. I would probably take Mike Evans or maybe Nix. 

I may be wrong but I think too much is being made on how our CB situation needs to be fixed. I think we need to be more concerned about NT, OLB and the interior OL because that is where we will ultimately win or lose the big games.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 7:04 PM

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Not a dumb idea at all GB. You're logic is sound and thorough. The draft is not an exact science and never has been. You're on the ball though brother in what the team needs. I think Verrett, Dennard,and Gilbert will be gone by pick# 25 and they already have a similar player to Verrett in Stevie Williams from Cal.

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So we all know we need help at CB...I for one do not think we need a SS, I think we are covered there with Addae.

So Here is my question to all those out there that know more and do a lot more draft homework than me( yes Beach, I am talking to you, call your publisher I need another novel lol):

If Verrett is there at 25, do we grab him? If Lewan is there at 25, do we grab him? Marquise Lee? Mike Evans? Sua-Filo? Nix?

Me personally, would pick Lewan, Sua-Filo, or the best Wr or OLB available at 25, something in the cluster of :

Lewan, X-Filo, Lee, Barr, Evans, Cooks, Dee Ford, or Zach Martin

Round 2: The next playmaker of need

Rd 3 : CB of the " big 3"

and so on.....

So what do you think? Dumb idea? Or could it have traction, and which corner would you prefer in which round, for best all around value?

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Posted: 04/04/2014 7:10 PM

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I'm hoping we land a Nose Tackle, and two pass rushers in the first three rounds.

OLB Ford/OLB Attaochu/NT McCullers??

NT Nix/OLB Attaochu/OLB Jeffcoat??

By fixing the pass rush, our secondary improves as well, and there is far less risk drafting DL and OLB's than cornerbacks that have a very high bust rate in the NFL.

I'm actually thinking we're set at Corner unless we bring in another FA vet, draft casualty.  It happens every year.  Great players get cut due to cost cutting measures after cheaper first round picks get drafted.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 8:24 PM

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No idea is ever dumb as long as your first two to three picks can contribute straight away

personally my priority for this offseason is adding some hungry dogs to the defensive front 7, my mock has Dee Ford at #25 then Jeremiah Attaochu in the second

we also have opportunities to add an x-factor in Dri Archer, and I want a RB in the mid rounds, Sankey, West or McKinnon to share the workload in the run game

we need some talent who can carry some of the load on Offense and Defense
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Posted: 04/04/2014 8:50 PM

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GoBolts17 wrote: So we all know we need help at CB...I for one do not think we need a SS, I think we are covered there with Addae.

So Here is my question to all those out there that know more and do a lot more draft homework than me( yes Beach, I am talking to you, call your publisher I need another novel lol):

If Verrett is there at 25, do we grab him? If Lewan is there at 25, do we grab him? Marquise Lee? Mike Evans? Sua-Filo? Nix?

Me personally, would pick Lewan, Sua-Filo, or the best Wr or OLB available at 25, something in the cluster of :

Lewan, X-Filo, Lee, Barr, Evans, Cooks, Dee Ford, or Zach Martin

Round 2: The next playmaker of need

Rd 3 : CB of the " big 3"

and so on.....

So what do you think? Dumb idea? Or could it have traction, and which corner would you prefer in which round, for best all around value?
We could trade back and still get CB Verrett plus another pick(s).  IMO

Comes down to OT Lewan or WR Mike Evans.   Since this is a deep draft for WRs, I would draft Taylor Lewan---  hands down.   He should go between picks 12 to 16 range.  If Lions go local player it could be Taylor Lewan at even 10.

Best CB selection:   Round 2  Kyle Fuller  (man 2 man coverage/zone) , Jason Verrett.

Round 4    Aaron Colvin   (zone)   good value , red shirt due to ACL injury, PUP list.

Safeties who are tough , up in the box on run support, deliver hits---  get hurt.  Addae  is good , we still need another SS for depth.  Especially if Calvin Pryor is sitting there at 25.  A scout has compared him to Rodney Harrison.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 8:55 PM

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Using WalterFootball's mock draft, I see:

1.  Louis Nix--NT
2.  Kyle Van Noy--OLB
3.  Cyril Richardson--OT/OG
4.  John Urschel--no mention in Walter, but good write up by ESPN
      whose best position is OC.
Hope Walter's right about this, because we would get FOUR quality starters (Urschel replacing Hardwick next year)

This scenario gives us a better running game, dominating TOP (helps keep our defense off the field), gives us a better pass rush (helps our DB's), and most importantly fixes 3 glaring weaknesses (NT, OLB, OG).  If our in house CB's (Williams, Cro) perform as Beach believes, then VOILA we have no GLARING weaknesses.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 9:08 PM

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I think we are in really good shape to get a impact player at 25 with this draft.  TT will just let the draft come to him.  If a Gilbert or Dennard is there you grab him.  Verrett maybe.  If a stud WR or D lineman is there grab him.  Pretty much any spot except QB, TE  and RB as long as they are an immediate impact playmaker.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 9:46 PM

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stinehart wrote: Using WalterFootball's mock draft, I see:

1.  Louis Nix--NT
2.  Kyle Van Noy--OLB
3.  Cyril Richardson--OT/OG
4.  John Urschel--no mention in Walter, but good write up by ESPN
      whose best position is OC.
Hope Walter's right about this, because we would get FOUR quality starters (Urschel replacing Hardwick next year)

This scenario gives us a better running game, dominating TOP (helps keep our defense off the field), gives us a better pass rush (helps our DB's), and most importantly fixes 3 glaring weaknesses (NT, OLB, OG).  If our in house CB's (Williams, Cro) perform as Beach believes, then VOILA we have no GLARING weaknesses.
Would be a solid draft , John Urschel is a sleeper.
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Posted: 04/04/2014 9:52 PM

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Posted: 04/04/2014 11:58 PM

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Well this is how I see it. If Anthony Barr or any other OLB doesn't drop down to#25, the only OLB left that would be worth the 25th pick would be Dee Ford. And there is a possibility Ford may be gone at that point also. But I think it is likely that 2-3 of the top 5 CB's will be available at 25. (I truly think Justin Gilbert will not go as high as many predict. I personally would take Roby or Fuller over Gilbert, who is much like Antonio Cromartie when it comes to tackling. If you didn't like Cromartie, with all his athleticism, I think you'll hate Gilbert. Gilbert is not interested in supporting the run, and is not athletic nor as talented as Cromartie.)

Anyway, I think if Dee Ford is not there at 25, we will be drafting one of the remaining top 5 CB's (Dennard, Fuller, Roby, Gilbert, or Verrett). I think there will be far better OLB's available for our 2nd rd pick than the CB's that will be available at that slot.
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Posted: 04/05/2014 12:01 AM

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I like the first few picks and I think they will be available without trading up or down and reaching         1. Dee Ford     2. Jeremiah Attaochu   3.Dan McCullers 4. Antone Exum If came out in 2012 would have been number 1 db also played fs very underated cause he acl for 2013 very versatile db or fs can really hit and has good Combine numbers.      5. Billy  Turner can play multiple positions on ol.        We are getting quality players that we need!!!  Emphasis on the pass rush and nt. And Exum is no joke from VT.   He's very natural and has a nose for the ball. Turner is perfect to plug in on all of o-line positions.
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Posted: 04/05/2014 10:30 AM

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Obviously todhoopster has been watching Charger games.

Games lost last year were largely lost because of problems with the oline, or the lack of a pass rush.  Fix those areas and they probably win 2 more games last year.

IMO Marshall was victimized more than once last season by poor play by Addae.  Too many times he simply didn't get there on deep cover despite playing cover 1.

I see the Chargers prioritizing FS before they take a CB.
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Posted: 04/05/2014 10:41 AM

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Is it just me or every time the board band wagons a player Beach finds Something to ***** about that player, it gets
a little exhausting dude.


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Posted: 04/05/2014 12:31 PM

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EXACTLY HOW did poor play from the oline cause losses?  The oline allowed an unblocked player to pass rush only 32 times--Denver led the league with 30.  The Bolts also gave up ZERO sacks to unblocked players, the only team with 0.  In addition, the Chargers were 8th in the league in least amount of pressure allowed percentage wise with 33.4%.  They were 7th in lowest percentage of sacks allowed with 14.7%.  Of course they could use an upgrade at OG, but to finish in the top 8 in pass protection is pretty darn impressive.  The run game needs some work though.  They rushed over the LT and LG 130 times and over the RT and RG 84 times.  They averaged 4.7 ypc to the left and 3.5 to the right (need I say Clary?).  So yes, some improvement is needed, but a poor Oline?  By whose standards?
beachbolt wrote: Obviously todhoopster has been watching Charger games.

Games lost last year were largely lost because of problems with the oline, or the lack of a pass rush.  Fix those areas and they probably win 2 more games last year.

IMO Marshall was victimized more than once last season by poor play by Addae.  Too many times he simply didn't get there on deep cover despite playing cover 1.

I see the Chargers prioritizing FS before they take a CB.
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Posted: 04/05/2014 1:32 PM

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It's amazing how we always end up at Clary isn't it?disbelief That freakin guy. banghead
stinehart wrote: EXACTLY HOW did poor play from the oline cause losses?  The oline allowed an unblocked player to pass rush only 32 times--Denver led the league with 30.  The Bolts also gave up ZERO sacks to unblocked players, the only team with 0.  In addition, the Chargers were 8th in the league in least amount of pressure allowed percentage wise with 33.4%.  They were 7th in lowest percentage of sacks allowed with 14.7%.  Of course they could use an upgrade at OG, but to finish in the top 8 in pass protection is pretty darn impressive.  The run game needs some work though.  They rushed over the LT and LG 130 times and over the RT and RG 84 times.  They averaged 4.7 ypc to the left and 3.5 to the right (need I say Clary?).  So yes, some improvement is needed, but a poor Oline?  By whose standards?
beachbolt wrote: Obviously todhoopster has been watching Charger games.

Games lost last year were largely lost because of problems with the oline, or the lack of a pass rush.  Fix those areas and they probably win 2 more games last year.

IMO Marshall was victimized more than once last season by poor play by Addae.  Too many times he simply didn't get there on deep cover despite playing cover 1.

I see the Chargers prioritizing FS before they take a CB.

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Posted: 04/05/2014 1:40 PM

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Even Beach has to admit the O-Line statement is a tad bit erroneous, sustained drives, Rivers life extention, hell even
better play from Matthews can be linked to the O-Line gelling, after your stats, maybe O-Line isn't one of our Huge needs after all compare to all our others


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EXACTLY HOW did poor play from the oline cause losses?  The oline allowed an unblocked player to pass rush only 32 times--Denver led the league with 30.  The Bolts also gave up ZERO sacks to unblocked players, the only team with 0.  In addition, the Chargers were 8th in the league in least amount of pressure allowed percentage wise with 33.4%.  They were 7th in lowest percentage of sacks allowed with 14.7%.  Of course they could use an upgrade at OG, but to finish in the top 8 in pass protection is pretty darn impressive.  The run game needs some work though.  They rushed over the LT and LG 130 times and over the RT and RG 84 times.  They averaged 4.7 ypc to the left and 3.5 to the right (need I say Clary?).  So yes, some improvement is needed, but a poor Oline?  By whose standards?
beachbolt wrote: Obviously todhoopster has been watching Charger games.

Games lost last year were largely lost because of problems with the oline, or the lack of a pass rush.  Fix those areas and they probably win 2 more games last year.

IMO Marshall was victimized more than once last season by poor play by Addae.  Too many times he simply didn't get there on deep cover despite playing cover 1.

I see the Chargers prioritizing FS before they take a CB.


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Posted: 04/05/2014 2:17 PM

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"Jeremiah Attaochu, DE: Attaochu (6-foot-3 3/8, 249 pounds) did not work out at the combine because of an injury. At his pro day, he ran the 40 in 4.57 and 4.62 seconds. He had a 37 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 9-3 broad jump. He ran the short shuttle in 4.68 and the three-cone drill in 7.28. His arms measured 34 1/2 inches, and he did not perform the bench press. Attaochu, who has the most sacks in Georgia Tech history, will be visited by the Lions, Chargers and Colts next week in Atlanta, and he’ll also go up to Philadelphia to visit the Eagles."  -NFL.com

Roby or Nix in the first, Attaochu or Van Noy in the 2nd and DaQuan Jones or Stanley Jean-Baptiste in the 3rd?  This could be a top 5 defense that makes big plays!  Also, along with Jean-Baptiste, Aaron Colvin could be a steal in the 5th or 6th.
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Posted: 04/05/2014 2:22 PM

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SDChargers85fan wrote: "Jeremiah Attaochu, DE: Attaochu (6-foot-3 3/8, 249 pounds) did not work out at the combine because of an injury. At his pro day, he ran the 40 in 4.57 and 4.62 seconds. He had a 37 1/2-inch vertical jump and a 9-3 broad jump. He ran the short shuttle in 4.68 and the three-cone drill in 7.28. His arms measured 34 1/2 inches, and he did not perform the bench press. Attaochu, who has the most sacks in Georgia Tech history, will be visited by the Lions, Chargers and Colts next week in Atlanta, and he’ll also go up to Philadelphia to visit the Eagles."  -NFL.com

Roby or Nix in the first, Attaochu or Van Noy in the 2nd and DaQuan Jones or Stanley Jean-Baptiste in the 3rd?  This could be a top 5 defense that makes big plays!  Also, along with Jean-Baptiste, Aaron Colvin could be a steal in the 5th or 6th.
He likely doesn't get out of the top 40 now. Probably Atlanta or Jacksonville after they fail to trade up for Clowney, or Oakland, or really anyone who needs a pass rusher.

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Posted: 04/05/2014 2:38 PM

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Ohio st CB Bradly Roby said he would love to play for the Chargers
www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000...-a-great-corner


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