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Areas that need the most help

  • stinehart
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:45 PM

Areas that need the most help 


ProFootballFocus team rankings for the Chargers.
Offense:
Overall-------4
Passing-------1
Pass Block--21
Rushing-----22
Run Block----6

Defense:
Overall--------29
Run defense--25
Pass Rush----20
Coverage-----32
Pass defense is broken down into Pass Rush and Pass Coverage so the strengths/weaknesses can be evaluated on a fairer level.
I was surprised to see that our pass rush was "only" 20th since our LB corps has be decimated.  No other team has a bigger difference between  pass rush and pass coverage.  That makes our DB's even more suspect.  If Freeney and Ingram can return healthy, and Jarrett Johnson the 14th rated OLB, I would concentrate on the DB's through the draft and free agency (No Derek Cox please).
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:43 PM

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I think the Chargers can get six legitimate playmakers this off-season. Three in the draft and three in free agency. Remember we get Ingram and Steve Williams back too.

Obviously it depends who is on the board when the Chargers draft in the first round...but if a top corner is available, go for it. We need a DT and another top offensive lineman just start moving this team forward.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:33 PM

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Yes and if TT can get three more starters on the first three picks with a few good free agents we could be good next year.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 6:41 PM

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I agree with you boys in that I honestly believe that if Williams can prove to be a help in the secondary, we have a good chance to be a very competitive team. The one thing that I think keeps getting overlooked is that Freeney, while having been a GREAT player in the past, will be coming off an injury that cost him nearly an entire season and will be 34 years old when the season starts and 35 at season's end. If we are putting the possibility of being back in the playoff hunt in the eggs found in his basket, I'm not sure we're being terribly realistic. I believe that, besides a buttload of DBs and Clary's replacement being brought in, we need someone opposite Ingram to bring the rain.

"What rough beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

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Posted: 11/16/2013 7:42 PM

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yep we need another pass rusher.  Not sure Freeney makes it back.  I will love to draft a #1 shut down corner however if there is one out there
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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:27 PM

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redlegman wrote: I agree with you boys in that I honestly believe that if Williams can prove to be a help in the secondary, we have a good chance to be a very competitive team. The one thing that I think keeps getting overlooked is that Freeney, while having been a GREAT player in the past, will be coming off an injury that cost him nearly an entire season and will be 34 years old when the season starts and 35 at season's end. If we are putting the possibility of being back in the playoff hunt in the eggs found in his basket, I'm not sure we're being terribly realistic. I believe that, besides a buttload of DBs and Clary's replacement being brought in, we need someone opposite Ingram to bring the rain.

And his name is Khalil Mack.  A drum I'm going to beat all the way until he's drafted next year by someone.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:48 PM

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88 nobody in here will be disappointed with Khalil Mack if he fell to us in the 1st round by some divine miracle. Dude is a beast!!! Heck I'd love to see them get multiple pass rushers in this next draft. I can't wait to see how Mack and Trent Murphy of Stanford perform in the Senior Bowl. I think O-line, cornerback, D-line are the next 3 priorities.

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redlegman wrote: I agree with you boys in that I honestly believe that if Williams can prove to be a help in the secondary, we have a good chance to be a very competitive team. The one thing that I think keeps getting overlooked is that Freeney, while having been a GREAT player in the past, will be coming off an injury that cost him nearly an entire season and will be 34 years old when the season starts and 35 at season's end. If we are putting the possibility of being back in the playoff hunt in the eggs found in his basket, I'm not sure we're being terribly realistic. I believe that, besides a buttload of DBs and Clary's replacement being brought in, we need someone opposite Ingram to bring the rain.

And his name is Khalil Mack.  A drum I'm going to beat all the way until he's drafted next year by someone.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:22 PM

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What's sad with these stats is they INCLUDE two entire games where our defense didn't give up a single TD. TWO GAMES and we still score so low. Shows how bad we actually have been overall.

And why we must rely on our offense to have a chance.

PS How is our passing rated #1???? In the entire NFL? Above Denver? What?

stinehart wrote: ProFootballFocus team rankings for the Chargers.
Offense:
Overall-------4
Passing-------1
Pass Block--21
Rushing-----22
Run Block----6

Defense:
Overall--------29
Run defense--25
Pass Rush----20
Coverage-----32
Pass defense is broken down into Pass Rush and Pass Coverage so the strengths/weaknesses can be evaluated on a fairer level.
I was surprised to see that our pass rush was "only" 20th since our LB corps has be decimated.  No other team has a bigger difference between  pass rush and pass coverage.  That makes our DB's even more suspect.  If Freeney and Ingram can return healthy, and Jarrett Johnson the 14th rated OLB, I would concentrate on the DB's through the draft and free agency (No Derek Cox please).

“I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.”
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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:27 PM

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Thanks for the thread.  Nice breakdown.

I think that in the draft, we need a pass rusher more than anything.  We drafted three DBs in the past two years, and while they haven't worked out all that well, I think that the safe way to fix our secondary is paying for a higher end corner in the free agency and NOT draft another risky pick that might take a few years to develop.  From what I see so far, the pass rush talent is better in this draft than the corners, and I'm not counting on Ingram to be a dominant force.  He's not shown us anything at all since drafted.  Freeney might have a season in him but I'd be happy with him in a rotational role to keep his body healthy at this point.  English is done as a Charger for sure...  I think we need one more.

Secondary:
Really I think that we need two free agents to transform this secondary for the better....  No more draft picks on corners this year....  PAY FOR CORNERS.

Actually I'd poach two available FA from the Dolphins:  

CB Brent Grimes
SS Chris Clemons (and move Gilchrist to Nickel or Dime)

Draft: No more corners
OLB
OG
RB 
OC
(stinehart wrote: ProFootballFocus team rankings for the Chargers.
Offense:
Overall-------4
Passing-------1
Pass Block--21
Rushing-----22
Run Block----6

Defense:
Overall--------29
Run defense--25
Pass Rush----20
Coverage-----32
Pass defense is broken down into Pass Rush and Pass Coverage so the strengths/weaknesses can be evaluated on a fairer level.
I was surprised to see that our pass rush was "only" 20th since our LB corps has be decimated.  No other team has a bigger difference between  pass rush and pass coverage.  That makes our DB's even more suspect.  If Freeney and Ingram can return healthy, and Jarrett Johnson the 14th rated OLB, I would concentrate on the DB's through the draft and free agency (No Derek Cox please).
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Ford + Attaochu + Ingram + Freeney = Improved passing defense
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:03 AM

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FF compiles the stats, and has SD rated at 57.3 and DEN at 53.2.  I don't know what details are factored in but DEN leads the league in the penalty ratings at 19.5 and SD is 28th at 5.2.  I guess that this detracts from the overall ratings.  Another interesting stat is that our RUN blocking is rated as 5th best and our PASS blocking is rated 20th, yet Rivers is having a career year with mediocre blocking.  I'd like to see the Bolts develop a better run based offense.  BTW Woodhead is rated as #5 and Mathews as #23.  The run blocking is very good, the backs are good, so IMO the play calling needs a bit of tweaking.  And yes Yantha, pay for corners and draft pass rushers.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 10:13 AM

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The other area that concerns me most (besides the D backfield and rush backers) is the fact that Clary is still a part of this team. I DO NOT CARE if anyone can produce statistics that illustrates he is doing an adequate job. I have watched every Charger game since the inception of the NFL ticket and his name is called during nearly every game for screwing up in some fashion. In and of himself, he is a human drive killer.

"What rough beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

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Posted: 11/17/2013 1:15 PM

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Clary is ok at guard and sucks at OT.  We badly need help in the secondary at all positions except Weddle.   Cox was a waste.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 2:42 PM

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I think we need a OLB to generate a rush qb's sit back there and pick us apart.And  coaches both db & DC that don't play soft with the corners
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:38 PM

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NT, OLB/DE, LT and about 3 DBs.
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  • rdauz
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:01 PM

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Assistant coaches wouldn't be a bad start either.  How many times do we need to stab ourselves in the eye.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:02 PM

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Every area except QB & Tight End!! We need better players! Secondary is sooooo bad that it's laughable!! But there's nothing funny about these losses!!
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:15 PM

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To clarify Clary (alliteration intended), PFF has him rated as 63rd out of 71 OG's.  His pass block rating is -.1 and his overall is -14.1.  BAAAAAAD. But our defense is worse.
1. Shutdown corner or Rush LB
2. Whichever one we didn't pick in round 1
3.  OG or OT and move Dunlap or Fluker to OG
4-7.  Most glaring weakness

Round 8.  A better defensive scheme
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Posted: 11/18/2013 2:34 AM

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stinehart wrote: ProFootballFocus team rankings for the Chargers.
Offense:
Overall-------4
Passing-------1
Pass Block--21
Rushing-----22
Run Block----6

Defense:
Overall--------29
Run defense--25
Pass Rush----20
Coverage-----32
Pass defense is broken down into Pass Rush and Pass Coverage so the strengths/weaknesses can be evaluated on a fairer level.
I was surprised to see that our pass rush was "only" 20th since our LB corps has be decimated.  No other team has a bigger difference between  pass rush and pass coverage.  That makes our DB's even more suspect.  If Freeney and Ingram can return healthy, and Jarrett Johnson the 14th rated OLB, I would concentrate on the DB's through the draft and free agency (No Derek Cox please).
So, this piggybacks off of what I put in the mock draft thread, but, Nix is looking better and better.  I saw what 88 put, and, I would not be disappointed with Mack at all, but, they must replace Jamal Williams.  Strange perhaps, saying this after he's been gone, what, 4 or 5 years, but, we're still waiting.  And, a 3-4 defense cannot be great without a great NT.  That position is the most important in any 3-4, and this one is no different.  If they get Nix in the first, and, if they keep losing, they very well may be right there, and get a DE/OLB in the 3rd (OT in the 2nd), they are on their way.  Someone like Sam, Bradford, Ealy, Jeffcoat, Attaochu, etc...

As for the secondary, I agree with Doc Yantha, spend on FA's, no more drafting.  Williams should be good for one, but, they need experience back there, and don't forget that improving the front seven improves the secondary.
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:35 AM

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Maybe one corner from the draft but that's it. I will not be surprised if neither Cox or Wright is brought back next season since they've been awful!! Drafting someone like Justin Gilbert, Kyle Fuller, EJ Gaines, Darqueze Dennard or Marcus Roberson say 3rd or 4th round couldn't hurt to team with Steve Williams for the future. I agree with Doc and SD that a legit corner has to found via F/A!! Then let the draft focus on pass rushers and linemen(both O-line & D-line)
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Posted: 11/18/2013 8:16 AM

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We need to draft the BPA from the positions of need which include Corner, OLB, Nose, left OT.  If the right guy is there we need to get a corner.  I know we have not drafted well at corner but those were AJs picks not TT.  We went after a free agent and paid dearly for Mr Sucking Cox.
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