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The more serious aggression problem on the Bolts coaching staff

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Posted: 11/16/2013 12:12 AM

The more serious aggression problem on the Bolts coaching staff 


Someone on 1090 pointed out the other day that the Chargers secondary -- maybe it was just the CBs -- has the fewest PI penalties in the NFL. 

That might seem like a good thing, but IMO it's a symptom of a lack of physicality and aggression from this secondary.

We consistently hear "why are the CBs playing so far off?" during game day threads, but for whatever reason, most people seem to shrug it off when we're looking back on it a few days later. 

I personally think it's bigger problem than a handful of fourth down calls. As of now, the Bolts are dead last in both takeaways and opponent yards per play. And they're still on pace for setting a record for takeways. 

So when is Pagano going to force the secondary to play more aggressive? Would the defense be even worse if he had them do so?
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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:09 AM

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I would not be shocked if the entire defensive staff is replaced this offseason since they are holdovers from Norv's coaching staff. The DB's coach is new, but he was fired from Denver last season after their meltdown against Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:27 AM

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I agree Hunter. With that said I think the GM and Head Coach and the Spanos clan all know that this season and even the next are rebuilding years. Sure they want to win but they also just want stay competitive in games and knowing the personnel they have on defense, they just want to keep a way from a lot of big plays against them on defense and keep everything in front of them....relying on Rivers and the offense, with long offensive drives to dominate the clock. That's what I am seeing...I could be wrong but it seems that's the plan. I don't necessarily agree with it but you can't blame them either with this secondary.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 12:10 PM

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We should have kept Jammer.  That would have increased our PI penalties for sure! rolleyes   We might be playing less man to man which is the more aggressive coverage because of lack of CB talent that can actually play man?  I remember Wright getting roasted when he tried to man up McCoy.  Nice pick on the Indy-Tenn game Honk.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 12:22 PM

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That does seem to be the strategy and I suppose it is keeping us competitive every week. It's just amazing that the every game has come down to the fourth quarter given that the defense is last in takeaways and yards per play. If it weren't for the offense maintaining such outstanding TOP, I imagine the defense would be dead last in opponents points, too.

I couldn't watch the second half of the Denver game, what did they do to shut the Broncs down for two quarters? Know The den o-line has had issues for several weeks. Was it pressure? Or did they start executing in the secondary?
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:48 PM

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I think the bigger issue is the aggression up front. The front 7 getting after the QB would do wonders for any secondary regardless of if its Derek Cox (I can say Derek Cox around here with someone going on a tirade right?) or Darrell Revis manning the corner positions.

I get that DL isn't usually asked to do that in a 3-4 but seeing as they use the nickel package on the majority of their passing down anyway. I don't see that being a good excuse.

And even in a 3-4 look, passing situations should still require DL to go after the QB.

It would be really nice to have someone that could collapse the pocket from inside and not just rely on the edge rush. To produce the pressure, which is why I miss interior guys like John Randle who could create chaos from the inside.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 1:54 PM

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Out of 107 rated CB's by ProFootballFocus, the Bolts are: 96th, 99th,100th, and 106th.  Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:26 PM

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Wow that is bad.  Our corners couldn't cover the sheets on my guest bed!disbelief
stinehart wrote: Out of 107 rated CB's by ProFootballFocus, the Bolts are: 96th, 99th,100th, and 106th.  Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
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Posted: 11/16/2013 2:30 PM

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slammer8 wrote: Wow that is bad.  Our corners couldn't cover the sheets on my guest bed!disbelief
stinehart wrote: Out of 107 rated CB's by ProFootballFocus, the Bolts are: 96th, 99th,100th, and 106th.  Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
LOL! You mean your 100% Egyptian cotton sateen with a 1020 thread count sheets?

And I was close with my pick....Up 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter I was looking like a genius! We should get credit for close picks...I would definitely be in the lead!

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Posted: 11/16/2013 4:30 PM

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Close only counts for curling and hand grenades and yes but those are the lousy sheets for the guest room.
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slammer8 wrote: Wow that is bad.  Our corners couldn't cover the sheets on my guest bed!disbelief
stinehart wrote: Out of 107 rated CB's by ProFootballFocus, the Bolts are: 96th, 99th,100th, and 106th.  Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
LOL! You mean your 100% Egyptian cotton sateen with a 1020 thread count sheets?

And I was close with my pick....Up 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter I was looking like a genius! We should get credit for close picks...I would definitely be in the lead!
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Posted: 11/16/2013 8:12 PM

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stinehart wrote: I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.

If this team had an average defense, conservative or not, they'd be at least 7 - 2 right now, and possibly better.  The Houston, Tennessee and Washington losses are all wins, and they're not even close.  And the Oakland and Denver losses are even possible wins, although certainly not a given.

Oh what I'd give for one of Rivera's average defenses this year.  His staffs were able to take little talent and at least make them somewhat competitive.  I can't even imagine what this team would look like with one of Phillips's very good defenses from before 2008.  Coaching really does make a significant difference in this game, even at this level.  That should never be a question again after the performance of this team's offense this year, especially its offensive line.

I know one thing.  I don't want to hear anymore about how the other top offenses in the game have it as tough as the Bolts' offense.  What a complete and total CROCK that is.

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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:20 PM

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+1 to the "play with abandon" comment. Not our sucky CBs.

stinehart wrote: Out of 107 rated CB's by ProFootballFocus, the Bolts are: 96th, 99th,100th, and 106th.  Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.

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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:00 PM

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stinehart wrote: Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
I'm in agreement, piss poor defensive scheme.  Pagano gave that to Miami.  You have to generate a blitz.  i don't care if you brought everybody on every play, put the CB/nickel on an island.  you cannot just let a qb pick you apart.  coupled with piss poor tackling. 

On the O, I thought I had visions of Norv turner all over again.  Really, every 3rd and long had to be a route for 20 yards.  Start off running the ball hot, then you start passing, then it goes to a ****, then you have no momentum on either passing or running.  Can we get back to creative shorter routes.

Hope McCoy can man up and figure out his coordinators, suck!
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:21 PM

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rdauz wrote:
stinehart wrote: Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
I'm in agreement, piss poor defensive scheme.  Pagano gave that to Miami.  You have to generate a blitz.  i don't care if you brought everybody on every play, put the CB/nickel on an island.  you cannot just let a qb pick you apart.  coupled with piss poor tackling. 

On the O, I thought I had visions of Norv turner all over again.  Really, every 3rd and long had to be a route for 20 yards.  Start off running the ball hot, then you start passing, then it goes to a ****, then you have no momentum on either passing or running.  Can we get back to creative shorter routes.

Hope McCoy can man up and figure out his coordinators, suck!
What rdauz said, especially the inspired stuff in red!
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:46 PM

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It is hard to be aggressive when you have corners that suck and guys off the street rushing the passer.  I don't think the defensive play calling was bad today but I sure don't like the game that Wiz called today.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:54 PM

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Ditto on all that!!
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stinehart wrote: Either lack of talent or lack of a good defensive scheme and play calling.  Since the Chargers aren't going anywhere this year it's time to let it all hang loose and play with abandon.  I'd rather have an aggressive bad defense than an average conservative one at this point in the season.  If you lose at least it won't be for lack of trying.
I'm in agreement, piss poor defensive scheme.  Pagano gave that to Miami.  You have to generate a blitz.  i don't care if you brought everybody on every play, put the CB/nickel on an island.  you cannot just let a qb pick you apart.  coupled with piss poor tackling. 

On the O, I thought I had visions of Norv turner all over again.  Really, every 3rd and long had to be a route for 20 yards.  Start off running the ball hot, then you start passing, then it goes to a ****, then you have no momentum on either passing or running.  Can we get back to creative shorter routes.

Hope McCoy can man up and figure out his coordinators, suck!

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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:01 PM

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I know Rex Ryan rubs people the wrong way but his Defenses are almost always tough to play against, bring him in next year after he gets fired
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:20 PM

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You mean that defense that gave up 37 points to the Bills today. And 49 points to the Bengals a few weeks back!! I'm kinda 50/50 on that! I would consider Lovie Smith first before Ryan.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:27 PM

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Boltsbacker wrote: You mean that defense that gave up 37 points to the Bills today. And 49 points to the Bengals a few weeks back!! I'm kinda 50/50 on that! I would consider Lovie Smith first before Ryan.
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