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Since Mathews Drafted - How Many Games Has He Won?

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Posted: 09/22/2013 9:39 PM

Since Mathews Drafted - How Many Games Has He Won? 


Since Mathews was drafted, how many games has he put on his shoulder and helped win?

I can't really think of any and if there are some, it must be one or two. Today he had 16 attempts for 58 yards today. Wow! His longest runs from scrimmage over the past few years have averaged about 20-25 yards with his longest ever being 39 yards???? WTF!

I watched SNF tonight and saw Forte bust one longer than 39 yards tonight. And we moved up in the draft for this guy? Yikes, you would think by now he would have broke one to the house....It's really unbelievable when you think about it.

So at what point do you call him a bust? Or is he already? Obviously I already do.

I think this team would be way better served to trade him or let him go after this season. I am not sure about his contract, is it up at the end of 2013? I hope it is!

Go and get a stud running back in the draft and move on. Woodhead has only been here for a couple of games and he's already making more of an impact. At such a prime position where a player can make an impact and win games.....this guy comes up way short!

Thoughts?

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Posted: 09/22/2013 9:49 PM

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This year is a contract year for him and so far he has been just average as a part time back. He still fumbles and has limited hands.  He can't really block.  The season is just starting but I say he gets limited role or back up money here if he wants to stay
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Posted: 09/22/2013 9:50 PM

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i think he has til the end of the year to prove what he has, which to me right now looks like not alot. I wont be sad to see him go, only sad on the amount we gave up to get him, we could've got a decent OL at that pick........
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Posted: 09/22/2013 9:51 PM

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Agreed. Woodhead is already outperforming him.

Woodhead has good vision, he can catch, he's a solid pass blocker, and he makes smart decisions.

Mathews can't do any of the above I just mentioned. I think the Chargers should split carries between Fozzy and Woodhead. I really want to see what Fozzy can do. I say find out now so we know if we really need to draft a new running back next year or not.

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Posted: 09/22/2013 10:37 PM

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Woodhead is good but he's no feature back nor is he a long term solution regardless of how he's played recently. At best he's a situational back.

Fozzy is not a 1st round pick so he won't be put in the situation of showing what he can do right now. I get trying to see what he had now but I don't think gaugin him with this OL (which I doubt will be the same next year) is worth doing.

Plus, Mathews should be given this full season to show he's worth even being brought back as a backup. Its the smart thing to do. There is no need to jump to conclusions this early in the season. Especially since there are no real high expectations for this team this year anyway.

Plus, I think norv and the fact that many of charger fans were so spoiled with L.T. That RM was never going to really get a fair shake. He never was and never should have been compared or thought of being the next L.T. As these two players are two very different players.

Mathews is a downhill power runner with speed and a little bit of wiggle. L.T. Was a much shiftier all around back who knew how to set up opposing players to his stykenof football.

I totally agree with ryans vision but its also a big reason why I thought they would use more of a singleback, double TE formation that Mathews had so much success with during his Fresno State days. Because it gave him more space to work with. Not only that but I think lining him up about a yard deeper in the backfield would help him see holes a little better also with his speed to and through the hole.
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Last edited 09/22/2013 10:47 PM by Thisfrickinguy

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Posted: 09/22/2013 10:56 PM

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You're one of the best posters on this board and I always usually agree with your posts but not on this one. Mathews has ZERO vision and he has little ability to make other players miss him and break tackles for big gains. If he has a nice run, it usually is for 10 yards max. while other running backs from other teams can break one once and awhile for big chunks. I don't believe teams really game plan for Mathews and if you notice every single defensive player is constantly punching the ball as rushes through the line. You would think by now Mathews would win a game here or there for this team but it never happens and I don't think many fans are comparing him to LT...Most figured it out awhile ago that the guy couldn't handle LT's jock. It really doesn't factor in how he is being judged.... He is a real bust and I don't need this season to make that decision. I don't think he'll be back next season..discount or no discount, he'll be gone, let him screw up someone else's team.

BTW Woodhead is more than good an NE made a huge mistake letting him go.

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Woodhead is good but he's no feature back nor is he a long term solution regardless of how he's played recently. At best he's a situational back.

Fozzy is not a 1st round pick so he won't be put in the situation of showing what he can do right now. I get trying to see what he had now but I don't think gaugin him with this OL (which I doubt will be the same next year) is worth doing.

Plus, Mathews should be given this full season to show he's worth even being brought back as a backup. Its the smart thing to do. There is no need to jump to conclusions this early in the season. Especially since there are no real high expectations for this team this year anyway.

Plus, I think norv and the fact that many of charger fans were so spoiled with L.T. That RM was never going to really get a fair shake. He never was and never should have been compared or thought of being the next L.T. As these two players are two very different players.

Mathews is a downhill power runner with speed and a little bit of wiggle. L.T. Was a much shiftier all around back who knew how to set up opposing players to his stykenof football.

I totally agree with ryans vision but its also a big reason why I thought they would use more of a singleback, double TE formation that Mathews had so much success with during his Fresno State days. Because it gave him more space to work with. Not only that but I think lining him up about a yard deeper in the backfield would help him see holes a little better also with his speed to and through the hole.

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Posted: 09/22/2013 11:35 PM

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The problem is that Mathews has never been given the opportunity to excel here.The fans never gave him a shot the line never gave him a chance and the coaches Turner and Mccoy haven't.Hes a guy who will go somewhere else and he will get fixed by better coaches a tear it up
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Posted: 09/22/2013 11:41 PM

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DownUnderBoltsFan wrote: i think he has til the end of the year to prove what he has, which to me right now looks like not alot. I wont be sad to see him go, only sad on the amount we gave up to get him, we could've got a decent OL at that pick........
Not to mention they could have traded back to the beginning of the 2nd, got another pick and still drafted Ben Tate. Maybe they let Mathews walk and bring in Tate next year. Looks like he will be one of the hottest RBs on the market.
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Posted: 09/22/2013 11:46 PM

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This wording made me chuckle. biggrin

Chargerhonk wrote: ...I always usually agree with your posts

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Posted: 09/23/2013 2:49 AM

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playing the hindsight card won't work in this scenario, only 2 linemen become pro bowlers after Mathews is drafted in the first and that's Mike Iupati and Maurkice Pouncey a OG and OC, two positions we were pretty set at at the time

In hindsight probably Earl Thomas was the best option at the time, but Mathews was strong, had great balance and solid....a pity he lacks vision

I do like your scenario too BLG of trading back

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DownUnderBoltsFan wrote: i think he has til the end of the year to prove what he has, which to me right now looks like not alot. I wont be sad to see him go, only sad on the amount we gave up to get him, we could've got a decent OL at that pick........
Not to mention they could have traded back to the beginning of the 2nd, got another pick and still drafted Ben Tate. Maybe they let Mathews walk and bring in Tate next year. Looks like he will be one of the hottest RBs on the market.

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Posted: 09/23/2013 3:10 AM

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Norv needs to take some credit here in how Mathews has become a joke. Norv handled him very poorly. Mathews deserves the rest. But anyway anyone wants to stack it, it boils down to the fact Mathews isn't a top RB. I've spent this season so fare hoping Mathews doesn't breakout now. Because I would be so disappointed if he was signed again just to see what we've seen happen all over again. With all that's happening with the new coach and GM it's time to make other plans and move on. If Mathews breaks out somewhere else next year that's great for him. I wouldn't personally care. All I want is this bad taste out of my mouth and I think it'll only go away with him being gone.pirate



Here is a sorta funny thing to think about. Before the Colts landed Trent it was stated before the Colts/9ers game this weekend that the Colts contacted the Lions about Leshoure and the Vikings about Gerhart. Both who have done even less than Mathews while being in the league so fare. The Chargers and Mathews wasn't on that list. Even with Norv being the OC for the Browns now did not bring up the idea to see if the Chargers would move Mathews. Who I think would have if they had the chance.

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Posted: 09/23/2013 7:54 AM

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My assessment exactly. I honestly think that part of the problem is that most of our expectations as regards Mathews is skewed because we enjoyed one the greatest RBs in the history of the league for the decade immediately previous to Mathews. Sixteen carries in a game is not the workload of a feature back.
gcbgcb123 wrote: The problem is that Mathews has never been given the opportunity to excel here.The fans never gave him a shot the line never gave him a chance and the coaches Turner and Mccoy haven't.Hes a guy who will go somewhere else and he will get fixed by better coaches a tear it up

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Posted: 09/23/2013 8:46 AM

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It was AJ and the front office that said Mathews would make us forget about LT. Well, and about 12 homers too. The majority of fans knew they were size 21 shoes to fill but were forced to believe the spin job from the FO. Backlash? Blame it on Aj and followers.

I also dont think he needs to be the type of RB that puts the team on his back and wins it. Few are and are still very good and respected by their peers. I like his game. Minus the fumbles. He runs hard and if a crease is there he has the speed to go.

This team has actually thought about the run for 3 games now. Give em a minute fellas.

And I'm actually surprised by the amount of people so upset after a loss. Didnt we all know this would be a tough season to come out with a winning record?



Tough loss, guys out, some still not seeing the field due to bruises thus not contributing a bead of sweat to the W-L column. We will get better.
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Posted: 09/23/2013 9:20 AM

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I get where you're coming from Honk, but I see things the same way Red and Gcb do with this.

RM followed in the footsteps of a HOF, and just like any player that follows in those footstep, fans expectations are going to be overly high. And very few players ever if at all can be as good or better than the previous individual.

To think about it, I can really only think about Andy Luck being fairly good enough in his first season to show. He can be as good or better than Peyton. Miami is still looking for Dan Marino. Denver had to go pay for Peyton to replace Elway. Detroit is still looking for Barry sanders. Andi sure as heck don't want to be the guy that follows in the cleat marks of AP.

In mathews case, they even put L.T. As part of the Mathews package saying that L.T. was Ryano's favorite player and how he looked up to L.T. I mean, come on man. The kid was even asked about L.T. When he was brought to SD. How fair is that for a rook to come in and the first.thing that's thrown in your face is the legend that you are replacing? It tells me the city still had L.T. In the brain, which didn't bode well at all for Ryan if he didn't show out early and often.

The injuries and fumbles only added to the frustrations of fans because here we are still how many years later and guys even in this forum still tossing out those two letters about how many fumbles RM had compared to what's his name before Mathews.

That's just what I see from where I'm sitting.

As for woody. My assessment of him is based on what I believe he could be throughout the course of an entire season. Do I think he's talented. Of course. But do I think he's the type that carry a team on his shoulders. Absolutely not. I'm not even sure he would last half a season as the full time starter. And that is the reason why I said what I said about Mr woodhead. Glad to have him as a Bolt but my thought on him remain the same.
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Posted: 09/23/2013 9:28 AM

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Mathews's overwhelming problem is not a lack of talent or ability to do all of the things a top NFL back does.

It is that he has now become someone for whom the only measure of success is that he completed a run without fumbling the ball.  Period.  End of story.

Seriously, that's what it has become for him now, and you can see it in the way he runs every carry.  The only thing that matters to him, and apparently those around him, is that he held onto the football.  That's it.  It's why he goes down so easily now.  It's why he looks to go down so easily now.  It's why he misses so many openings.  It's why he doesn't break tackles.

All of that because he can't hold onto the ball when trying to do all of those things like a top NFL back.

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Posted: 09/24/2013 12:24 PM

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Mathews had the bad luck of filling the big shoes of LT.  The Bolt's OL is average at best so here are some interesting stats:
Yards per carry:
Emmitt Smith---4.2
Walter Payton---4.4
Curtis Martin----4.0
LT----------------4.3
Eric Dickerson---4.4
Marshall Faulk---4.3
RYAN MATHEWS-4.3
Give Mathews enough carries and his total yardage increases and it seems that many critics use total yardage as an indicator to determine whether or not Mathews is a bust.  Payton, LT, Dickerson, and Faulk ripped off big chunks of yardage. Mathews is more like Smith.  Use him to pound the middle and Woodhead as a change of pace, and sometimes together.
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Posted: 09/24/2013 2:00 PM

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stinehart wrote: Mathews had the bad luck of filling the big shoes of LT.  The Bolt's OL is average at best so here are some interesting stats:
Yards per carry:
Emmitt Smith---4.2
Walter Payton---4.4
Curtis Martin----4.0
LT----------------4.3
Eric Dickerson---4.4
Marshall Faulk---4.3
RYAN MATHEWS-4.3
Give Mathews enough carries and his total yardage increases and it seems that many critics use total yardage as an indicator to determine whether or not Mathews is a bust.  Payton, LT, Dickerson, and Faulk ripped off big chunks of yardage. Mathews is more like Smith.  Use him to pound the middle and Woodhead as a change of pace, and sometimes together.
Please tell me you are not comparing Ryan Mathews to Eric Dickerson and Marshall Faulk? Please!!! Statistics can be very misleading especially when you realize that Mathews career stats are small verses other players who had careers 4-5 times longer than Mathews. And there are a lot of other factors that can determine yards per carry, meaning some players got 25 carries a game....so the yards per carry will drop...even though the running back was a stud.

Fact is....a solid running back or the threat of a solid running back changes the complexity in which defenses have to play and have a huge effect on the efficiency of the quarter back and offense. Great running backs can put their team on their shoulder and even make a tough one yard gain to make a first down or TD to win a game...one yard gain, how's that for yard per carry stat? HA! 

I appreciate your post but trying to sell me that Mathews is a very good running back because at this point in his limited career, he has a similar yards per carry as some hall of famers, doesn't really cut the mustard with me. Mathews is a team killer...Chargers won't go anywhere until he is not in the blue and gold. Just like Norv and AJ he needs to be sent to some greener pastures.

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Posted: 09/24/2013 2:24 PM

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I'll say it again.  Nobody is going to be his full potential as long as he's running with the equivalent of one leg in a cast.  And that is exactly what Mathews is doing.  As long as he has to consciously THINK about holding onto the ball on every carry, it isn't going to change.  Unless he ever gets to the point where he can do everything properly to protect the football from instinct, without having to think about it, he's never going to be anything more than he's been so far.

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Posted: 09/25/2013 5:47 AM

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I'm not comparing him to anyone, just saying he has more talent that given credit for.  He lacks great vision, and Norv (AJ) tried to use him as an LT clone.  Emmitt Smith lacked breakaway speed, and although Mathews clocked a 4.39 forty, he hasn't broken many long runs.  This year he is running north and south, since McCoy is utilizing his abilities.  Ryan's yards after contact is vastly improved, even with a suspect OL.  His biggest fault (watch the slo-mo tapes) is that when he runs through the line, he has only one hand on the ball as he tries to stiff arm tacklers.  You can't stiff arm three tacklers with one arm, and McCoy can teach this. I believe that Mathews unconsciously thinks about breaking the big play, hence the stiff arm.  The same concept applied when LT came out--lots of fumbles early, but later when he carried in traffic, he had two hands on the ball, and when in the open, then came the moves and stiff arms.  Again this can be taught and emphasized by a competent coaching staff, which of course Norv and company was not.  Play to the talent you have not what you don't have.  What I am saying is give Mathews a chance with a better coaching staff and an upgraded OL.  This year I see better (quicker) decision making, better ball security (really), and better dedication to the team concept.
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Posted: 09/25/2013 11:28 AM

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Here are the career stats for Mathews. One good year in 2011.  But in his defense, the entire team tanked in 2012.  Lots of turnovers, bad OL, overall bad coaching.  The big question is can Mathews return to the form he had in 2011?  4.9 YPC, 50 receptions, 9 runs of 20+ yds, of course minus the 5 fumbles.  IMHO, I will withhold judgment until Telesco and McCoy are given the chance to work with the talent they have.  Certainly in this next draft a good LT will go a long way to assist Rivers' return to the form he exhibited from 2008-2010, and a good passing game sets up then running game.  Because Mathews doesn't have good vision, McCoy has him running more north-south, and he is getting the  tough yards.  I would like more sets with him and Woodhead together.  I still remember the Dolphins with Csonka and Mercury Morris in the backfield.  Defenses couldn't guard against both pounding the middle and the outside sweeps.  The same for LT and Michael Turner.  The few times they were in the same set, LT's ypc was 7.9 (if my memory serves).  So if this works so well, why didn't Norv use this tactic more often, and why doesn't McCoy also follow suit.  Sorry for the long rant, but I think Mathews deserves the benefit of this year under a new regime that adapts to the talent they have instead of trying to get the players to adapt to a scheme not commensurate with said talent.








Rushing Year Team G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
2013San Diego Chargers34515.01643.654.7020715.6101
2012San Diego Chargers1218415.37073.858.91313418.5102
2011San Diego Chargers1422215.91,0914.977.96395223.4905
2010San Diego Chargers1215813.26784.356.5731T2515.8404
TOTAL4160914.92,6404.364.4143911819.415012

Receiving Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2013San Diego Chargers33258.38.314T10010
2012San Diego Chargers12392526.521.02401090
2011San Diego Chargers14504559.132.542041180
2010San Diego Chargers12221456.612.11700071
TOTAL411148777.721.442151351
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