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So do we Trade Up for OT?

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Posted: 03/27/2013 12:19 PM

So do we Trade Up for OT? 


Guys... the top 3 OT's will be gone when we pick, and every team in the NFL knows we need OT.  IMO there's maybe a 10% chance a top 3 OT falls to us, and there is a significant dropoff in OT talent that will be available to us in the second round.

Many of the second rounders COULD be a starting Left Tackle, but require some coaching up. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all NFL ready...

So I ask this.  Do we just draft a second round (or later round) OT and start Dunlap until that drafted player is "Ready"?

OR

DO we trade up for Fisher or Johnson??

The only problem I have with trading up is that we have SEVERAL NEEDS to fill on this rebuilding roster...

I want to get that franchise LT.....  but at what cost?

I'm on the fence here, and need to hear your opinions now that we know Gaither is OUT.  Also, if you like, comment on my mock below (I updated the mock BEFORE Gaither was cut).
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Posted: 03/27/2013 12:21 PM

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I say no.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 12:36 PM

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I've thought a lot about this....and I feel that a trade up only happens if you're a team pushing to win now. Doesn't seem like that's our plan. Appears that we are rebuilding. Rebuilding teams need bodies to fill holes.....and right now, we have created way more holes than draft picks. So, I see this team staying put or trading back.

I have to believe that Lane Johnson is Plan A. We absolutely are NOT in a position to select BPA. If you don't protect your QB, he could get injured....then where would this team be? I agree with those who say, either build around Rivers and protect him.....otherwise trade him right now and let the full rebuild commence.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 12:37 PM

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LightEmUp1 wrote: I say no.
Holy Smokes we agree on something. tongue j/k brutha.

But definitely agree with Light here on trading up.  For me there are just too many holes to be that desperate to go after just one guy.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 1:14 PM

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With so many holes to fill, if one of our Tackles is off the board - I wouldn't mind the tradeback.  However, 2003 is in back of all our heads ala Davis, Florence and Kiel.  A 2nd or 3rd rd pick rookie is just not ready to be an NFL starter protecting Rivers blindside.  Although I like the tackle from FSU.  I'd be really happy with Warmack and the FSU Tackle in the 2nd RD.  However, trading up - not sure the formula - but we just have too many holes to fill to give up this years 3rd or even 4th.

yantha wrote: Guys... the top 3 OT's will be gone when we pick, and every team in the NFL knows we need OT.  IMO there's maybe a 10% chance a top 3 OT falls to us, and there is a significant dropoff in OT talent that will be available to us in the second round.

Many of the second rounders COULD be a starting Left Tackle, but require some coaching up. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all NFL ready...

So I ask this.  Do we just draft a second round (or later round) OT and start Dunlap until that drafted player is "Ready"?

OR

DO we trade up for Fisher or Johnson??

The only problem I have with trading up is that we have SEVERAL NEEDS to fill on this rebuilding roster...

I want to get that franchise LT.....  but at what cost?

I'm on the fence here, and need to hear your opinions now that we know Gaither is OUT.  Also, if you like, comment on my mock below (I updated the mock BEFORE Gaither was cut).
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Posted: 03/27/2013 2:13 PM

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1ARTIST wrote: I've thought a lot about this....and I feel that a trade up only happens if you're a team pushing to win now. Doesn't seem like that's our plan. Appears that we are rebuilding. Rebuilding teams need bodies to fill holes.....and right now, we have created way more holes than draft picks. So, I see this team staying put or trading back.

I have to believe that Lane Johnson is Plan A. We absolutely are NOT in a position to select BPA. If you don't protect your QB, he could get injured....then where would this team be? I agree with those who say, either build around Rivers and protect him.....otherwise trade him right now and let the full rebuild commence.

No trade up. Too many holes to fill.


Much depends on the ten picks in front of us but Lane Johnson could very well be the BPA at #11! He is only rated behind Joeckel and Fisher on polish and experience but he is a better athlete and could be a better Pro.

Next, he wont be there unless some other teams throw the dice on a couple of QB's...plus Miami is poised to leapfrog us if they get a trade partner.

I want Johnson in the worst way but the reality is that we may have to look at an impact Defensive player, choose Warmack or Cooper, or find a trade partner and slide down for some extra picks.

TT as a Polian disciple couldn't pull the trigger on an OG in the top ten picks but at #11? Who knows?

My bet is that TT would like to swap with the Rams at #16 and still find Cooper available. Coop can play both Guard positions and some Center, from what I read, and would be a better fit for the so-called "zone blocking scheme", if we are really going there.

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Posted: 03/27/2013 2:34 PM

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I am also for no. If for some reason Joeckel, Fisher or Johnson are not there at 11, we need to go BPA, at our next highest need.... I dont think we go for a guard, because this draft is deep....
I would think about trading downb, acquiring more picks, but only if one of the big 3 tackles is off the board.....If that happens we could get starting quality linemen, CB, a MLB and pass rusher..... I am thinking Manelike Watson, Florida State, is a bit of an under the radar linemen, that would be a staple for years......
Remeber, we still have FA after the draft , as well......

I am not sure what the grades and stuff are for picks, but maybe acquire someones first, third and 5th, or something, and  then if we are around 20-25 range, pick BPA, hopefully a linemen or CB, then passrusher, bpa bpa bpa, hopefully ending up with 2-3 starters/staples on the oline, a cb, pass rusher, mlb, ss.....
I think this is absolutely doable....
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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:06 PM

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we cant afford to trade up, we have too many holes to fill. Unfortunately we have to sit and take the best OL available at the time...........
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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:13 PM

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If Telesco trades up then we just hired the wrong GM
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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:24 PM

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I say they stay put.  If the Big 3 are gone, then I would not mind a trade down..but not too far.  If we can pick up a pick and move down 4 or 5 slots...I like it.  I would not be shocked if they grab Milliner at #11 if the OT's are gone.  Our success rate drafting Corners high is not good though..I hate it when they go Corner in the 1st.  I could see the BPA at #11.  If we take a Top DL guy to finish off the talented young defense I will not be disapointed.  As much as I want one of the Tackles, if they are gone..I say finish off the Dline and we will have one of the best young lines in the NFL.  As mentioned earlier, another wave of FA after the draft could be fruitful.  I cannot wait until the draft, especially due to the quiet offseason so far.

Yantha - I like the mock.  I would however either move Lattimore up or remove him..ha ha.  He will not be there in the 5th.  He had a phenominal workout today and the word is he is going rd 2 or rd 3.  Risk/Reward with this guy..man if he just can stay healthy with the knee, he will be a good one.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:30 PM

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No on the trade up, trade down if one of those guys isn't available.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:50 PM

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Ditto everyone else on not trading up.  Not only because of needing all their picks, but because there's no need to.

I'll say it again here.  While I agree that it would be shocking if they found their future left tackle after round 2, even from this outstanding class, I am convinced that they can still get him where they pick in round 2, if that is what they want to do, and that is how everything plays out.

I just don't have the jitters that almost everyone else does about it noidea.

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Posted: 03/27/2013 3:57 PM

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I think we should trade down, if and ONLY if, the big 3 are off the board....move downa couple spots, get 1-2 more picks, more chances of repleneshing a team with needed TALENT......
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Posted: 03/27/2013 5:42 PM

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yantha wrote: Guys... the top 3 OT's will be gone when we pick, and every team in the NFL knows we need OT.  IMO there's maybe a 10% chance a top 3 OT falls to us, and there is a significant dropoff in OT talent that will be available to us in the second round.

Many of the second rounders COULD be a starting Left Tackle, but require some coaching up. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all NFL ready...

So I ask this.  Do we just draft a second round (or later round) OT and start Dunlap until that drafted player is "Ready"?

OR

DO we trade up for Fisher or Johnson??

The only problem I have with trading up is that we have SEVERAL NEEDS to fill on this rebuilding roster...

I want to get that franchise LT.....  but at what cost?

I'm on the fence here, and need to hear your opinions now that we know Gaither is OUT.  Also, if you like, comment on my mock below (I updated the mock BEFORE Gaither was cut).
It seems like every fan here want to have their cake and eat it too, they expect Telesco to draft a franchise LT at 11 or at 45, they don't want to hear any excuses about it, and they don't want to give up anything extra to get it.  

The fact is the future doesn't begin an end with whatever 3rd round RB or OLB we may draft, it begins and ends with Philip Rivers, and its over already if we can't protect him.  We need the most NFL ready LT right now, not a guy that takes 3 years to come into his own (like Armstead or Watson).

So to answer your question, I would absolutely give up a 3rd round pick to secure Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson.  And anyone who says they wouldn't doesn't have a realistic perspective on the draft or an understanding of what makes the Chargers go.

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Posted: 03/27/2013 7:44 PM

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is a 3rd round pick all we are going to need to move up if it comes to that?
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yantha wrote: Guys... the top 3 OT's will be gone when we pick, and every team in the NFL knows we need OT.  IMO there's maybe a 10% chance a top 3 OT falls to us, and there is a significant dropoff in OT talent that will be available to us in the second round.

Many of the second rounders COULD be a starting Left Tackle, but require some coaching up. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all NFL ready...

So I ask this.  Do we just draft a second round (or later round) OT and start Dunlap until that drafted player is "Ready"?

OR

DO we trade up for Fisher or Johnson??

The only problem I have with trading up is that we have SEVERAL NEEDS to fill on this rebuilding roster...

I want to get that franchise LT.....  but at what cost?

I'm on the fence here, and need to hear your opinions now that we know Gaither is OUT.  Also, if you like, comment on my mock below (I updated the mock BEFORE Gaither was cut).
It seems like every fan here want to have their cake and eat it too, they expect Telesco to draft a franchise LT at 11 or at 45, they don't want to hear any excuses about it, and they don't want to give up anything extra to get it.  

The fact is the future doesn't begin an end with whatever 3rd round RB or OLB we may draft, it begins and ends with Philip Rivers, and its over already if we can't protect him.  We need the most NFL ready LT right now, not a guy that takes 3 years to come into his own (like Armstead or Watson).

So to answer your question, I would absolutely give up a 3rd round pick to secure Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson.  And anyone who says they wouldn't doesn't have a realistic perspective on the draft or an understanding of what makes the Chargers go.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 7:57 PM

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With the release of Gaither today, I absolutely believe they will trade up. I believe they are slowly goin too build this team up the next 2-3 years. With some role playing free agents added to fill holes for a year or 2. Though I think they will be a team that will compete each and every week. This is the year they need to get their franchise LT and this might be the closest they will get being at pick 11 and 3 franchise LTs worth a top 10 pick. I personally want Johnson because of his upside and his fast progression as an OT in college.
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Posted: 03/27/2013 8:16 PM

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All the more reason to be frustrated with TT given he's not brought in a FA tackle - thus putting unbelievable pressure on the draft to produce two starters.  Even despite the limited cap space we could have gotten Vollmer.  Rivers and Weddle could have restructured and it would have been worth it.  I'd cut Gates for Vollmer.  

We've got the #11 pick and now we're talking about having to give up a 3rd round pick to trade up to get one of the three tackles we're so desperate!  Granted Telesco's new - but I can't help but think he could have done better.  Rivers was sacked 50 times last year - as a fan we should not have to settle for being even worse
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yantha wrote: Guys... the top 3 OT's will be gone when we pick, and every team in the NFL knows we need OT.  IMO there's maybe a 10% chance a top 3 OT falls to us, and there is a significant dropoff in OT talent that will be available to us in the second round.

Many of the second rounders COULD be a starting Left Tackle, but require some coaching up. Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson are all NFL ready...

So I ask this.  Do we just draft a second round (or later round) OT and start Dunlap until that drafted player is "Ready"?

OR

DO we trade up for Fisher or Johnson??

The only problem I have with trading up is that we have SEVERAL NEEDS to fill on this rebuilding roster...

I want to get that franchise LT.....  but at what cost?

I'm on the fence here, and need to hear your opinions now that we know Gaither is OUT.  Also, if you like, comment on my mock below (I updated the mock BEFORE Gaither was cut).
It seems like every fan here want to have their cake and eat it too, they expect Telesco to draft a franchise LT at 11 or at 45, they don't want to hear any excuses about it, and they don't want to give up anything extra to get it.  

The fact is the future doesn't begin an end with whatever 3rd round RB or OLB we may draft, it begins and ends with Philip Rivers, and its over already if we can't protect him.  We need the most NFL ready LT right now, not a guy that takes 3 years to come into his own (like Armstead or Watson).

So to answer your question, I would absolutely give up a 3rd round pick to secure Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson.  And anyone who says they wouldn't doesn't have a realistic perspective on the draft or an understanding of what makes the Chargers go.
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Posted: 03/28/2013 7:44 AM

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fouts05 wrote: All the more reason to be frustrated with TT given he's not brought in a FA tackle - thus putting unbelievable pressure on the draft to produce two starters.  Even despite the limited cap space we could have gotten Vollmer.  Rivers and Weddle could have restructured and it would have been worth it.  I'd cut Gates for Vollmer.  

We've got the #11 pick and now we're talking about having to give up a 3rd round pick to trade up to get one of the three tackles we're so desperate!  Granted Telesco's new - but I can't help but think he could have done better.  Rivers was sacked 50 times last year - as a fan we should not have to settle for being even worse\
Do you remember when people here were bashing me about being disappointed after we beat Pittsburgh? NY Jets? Oakland? 

Well you are seeing why I was so irritated right now, we are now reaping the only reward we get for those meaningless wins, which is a huge loss of draft leverage.  Had we lost the PIT game alone we'd be picking at 8 at well in position to hop over Arizona and take our guy.  Had we lost the NYJ game we'd be picking at 6, had we blown that Oakland game at the last second we'd be picking at 3 thanks to strength of schedule.

It would have been highly embarrassing to finish 4-12, but worth it in the long run.

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Posted: 03/28/2013 7:46 AM

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I might be the only person here that thinks the Dunlap signing improves this team.
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Posted: 03/28/2013 8:08 AM

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yantha wrote: I might be the only person here that thinks the Dunlap signing improves this team.
I think he improves the team, but I don't believe for one second he's the starter that they need at LT.  I could actually see him maybe dethroning Clary at RT though.  That is if they don't get Eric Winston.
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