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Arthur Blank is now using the move to LA tactic

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Posted: 01/29/2013 7:40 PM

Arthur Blank is now using the move to LA tactic 


Sound familiar? It was the topic of the day on local sports talk here. No way he would give up a stake in the Falcons and move out to LA. People in ATL are really scared. It's funny to me. In the end, the gutless city council of Atlanta will cave. Part of it will be paid with property taxes from the entire state! That's BS. I'm not a Falcons fan and I don't want to help pay for a $1B stadium!

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/20756873/falcons -owner-la-wants-team


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000132470/art icle/atlanta-falcons-reportedly-receiving-interest -from-la



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Posted: 01/29/2013 8:07 PM

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Billionaires who need a stadium to pay their millionaires as they rake in the dough. While libraries get closed down and park services are cut....all for eight Sundays a year.

Makes perfect sense! And once you start to pay for it, they will still black out local games. Bassturds I tell ya!

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Posted: 01/30/2013 9:31 AM

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The people in the NFL communities like their teams.

A historical reference: (not chronological)

The Baltimore Colts wanted a new stadium, the poiticians said no and the Colts went to Indy. A few years later with different politicians and the Community missing their team, Baltimore builds a new stadium and lures the Browns to Baltimore, which changes it's name to the Ravens.

The Cleveland Browns wanted a new stadium and the politicians said no, and the team went to Baltimore. After a few years the politicians changed, and the Community wanted a team, and voted to build a new stadium and an expansion franchise was granted. And the team became the Browns again.

Houston - Oilers moved and new stadium brought Texans.

St Louis - Cardinals moved and new stadium brought Rams.

You get the idea, but why go through losing the team to only go through the process again a few years later? Many teams got new stadiums in nearby locations from their original sites, like Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, NE, etc.

The Niners are supposedly moving to Santa Clara from Candlestick in SF. Candlestick doesn't handle the Giants anymore and the Niner players have to use the old baseball dugouts to get from the locker room to the field. I've been there a couple of times. A new stadium inland, away from the ocean will be nice.

The question is...do these new digs eventually pay for them selves? Does the State or region get its money back for ponying up some bucks to get it going? Atlanta would be a good SuperBowl venue, is that in the equation? Can local contractors be assured of getting the construction work so the community prospers? Is Atlanta rife with corruption or would most of the money get to where it needs to go?

There are too many questions for a kneejerk reaction. The Chargers have the same problem.
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Posted: 01/31/2013 5:16 PM

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I don't think it's a knee-jerk reaction to believe that public financing of professional sports stadiums is bad policy. 

Yes, it's true, NFL owners will shop cities for free stadiums. Houston got one. So did St. Louis. Does that make it the best use of public money?

The Rams are already extorting St. Louis for massive upgrades. The Georgia Dome has only been open since 1992. I mean, when these place are built, aren't they designed to last longer than a couple decades? 

The question of whether these things pay for themselves is literally something people write theses about. 

I personally believe that these stadiums do not pay for themselves. 

Professional sports team aren't the only entities that do this, btw. I've seen bordering cities get taken to the cleaners as they stumble over each other to throw freebies at Costco or something else that provides lucrative sales tax income. I've also seen tax increment financing work. Sadly, it's so ripe for abuse that our state had to put redevelopment on hold. 

Perhaps if the NFL was a fledgling enterprise, there might be a reasonable argument that it needs government assistance. But the NFL is printing money. It can afford to build its own stadiums. Maybe if the NFL had pay its own way, those stadiums would not need to be replaced after two decades of use.

To me, the real question is "how does the government prevent the NFL from pitting cities against each other?" 

On a side note, government agencies aren't always do great at financing things. Looks like Miami went the way of the Poway School District to pay for the Marlins new digs:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/01/27 /miami-marlins-have-become-baseballs-most-expensiv e-stadium-disaster/


kelomar wrote: The people in the NFL communities like their teams.

A historical reference: (not chronological)

The Baltimore Colts wanted a new stadium, the poiticians said no and the Colts went to Indy. A few years later with different politicians and the Community missing their team, Baltimore builds a new stadium and lures the Browns to Baltimore, which changes it's name to the Ravens.

The Cleveland Browns wanted a new stadium and the politicians said no, and the team went to Baltimore. After a few years the politicians changed, and the Community wanted a team, and voted to build a new stadium and an expansion franchise was granted. And the team became the Browns again.

Houston - Oilers moved and new stadium brought Texans.

St Louis - Cardinals moved and new stadium brought Rams.

You get the idea, but why go through losing the team to only go through the process again a few years later? Many teams got new stadiums in nearby locations from their original sites, like Buffalo, Miami, Dallas, NE, etc.

The Niners are supposedly moving to Santa Clara from Candlestick in SF. Candlestick doesn't handle the Giants anymore and the Niner players have to use the old baseball dugouts to get from the locker room to the field. I've been there a couple of times. A new stadium inland, away from the ocean will be nice.

The question is...do these new digs eventually pay for them selves? Does the State or region get its money back for ponying up some bucks to get it going? Atlanta would be a good SuperBowl venue, is that in the equation? Can local contractors be assured of getting the construction work so the community prospers? Is Atlanta rife with corruption or would most of the money get to where it needs to go?

There are too many questions for a kneejerk reaction. The Chargers have the same problem.

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Posted: 01/31/2013 6:01 PM

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LA doesn't really have an NFL ready venue to bridge the gap until the proposed Farmers Field is built. Neither Coliseum or the Rose Bowl have the suites that NFL owners desire. LA is just a threat.



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Posted: 01/31/2013 11:48 PM

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You're right, Tre.

LA has nothing ready and they're not going to have anything ready anytime soon. You have to move mountains to get a 12-space parking lot approved in LA. The EIRs on a new stadium in downtown LA would/are taking years. 

And really, the Los Angeles Falcons? 

I could maybe see the Raiders moving back, or possibly the Rams when St. Louis simply can't afford to pay them anymore to stay, but the Falcons? 

Anyway, if Atlanta gets a new stadium, I hope it's not another noisy dome. I'm not sure about you guys, but I HATE indoor football. I've never even been to an indoor football game, and I hate it.


TreWells wrote: LA doesn't really have an NFL ready venue to bridge the gap until the proposed Farmers Field is built. Neither Coliseum or the Rose Bowl have the suites that NFL owners desire. LA is just a threat.

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Posted: 02/01/2013 9:47 AM

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Since I moved to ATL in Dec 05, I have only been to two Falcons games. Both were preseason games. I won a contest at work and got passes to be on the field against the Bengals and against the Bolts. Surprisingly there were a ton of Bolts fans there and it was like when we had a large percentage of fans of the other team at the Q.

It is a different atmosphere when playing indoors. I didn't care for it at all. But I guarantee you the gutless Atlanta city council will cave and we tax payers in the whole state will pay for most of it ($1b).



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Posted: 02/01/2013 6:03 PM

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What's most amazing to me about this is that the Georgia Dome is not really a very old facility. I honestly believe Honk has this one right. Only, it's billionaires who want to be the first trillionaire pulling the strings.

"What rough beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

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Posted: 02/01/2013 9:29 PM

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That's one of my main points of opposition to publicly financing pro sports stadiums. 

NFL owners now demand the public to gift them new stadiums after they were given a stadium just 20 years earlier! It's not just Atlanta. The Rams ownership is now trying to screw over the public in St. Louis with their 20-year-old dome.

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog/2013/02/ra inford-upgrading-dome-was.html

I guarantee that if the owners did not get these massive government handouts they would find a way to make stadiums have a lifespan longer than 20 years.

Public financing of professional sports facilities is just terrible policy. 
redlegman wrote: What's most amazing to me about this is that the Georgia Dome is not really a very old facility. I honestly believe Honk has this one right. Only, it's billionaires who want to be the first trillionaire pulling the strings.

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Posted: 02/02/2013 7:03 AM

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Before I became a property owner and really understand economics, I was all for public financing.


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That's one of my main points of opposition to publicly financing pro sports stadiums. 

NFL owners now demand the public to gift them new stadiums after they were given a stadium just 20 years earlier! It's not just Atlanta. The Rams ownership is now trying to screw over the public in St. Louis with their 20-year-old dome.

www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog/2013/02/ra inford-upgrading-dome-was.html

I guarantee that if the owners did not get these massive government handouts they would find a way to make stadiums have a lifespan longer than 20 years.

Public financing of professional sports facilities is just terrible policy. 
redlegman wrote: What's most amazing to me about this is that the Georgia Dome is not really a very old facility. I honestly believe Honk has this one right. Only, it's billionaires who want to be the first trillionaire pulling the strings.


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