Lots of big decisions for Telesco and McCoy to make this offseason. I am sure they're watching lots of tape and deciding who is on the upswing and who is on the down.

So give me your top five "starters" in order of significance, for the 2013, as far as potential impact on the Chargers season, and top five who are on the downward spiral towards the glue factory.

My Top Five Moving Up

1. Kendall Reyes (Monster)

2. Vincent Brown  (Will rebound and have huge season)

3. Corey Liuget (Monster Jr.)

4. Melvin Ingram (Learned the ropes, now ready to pay dividends)

5. Donald Butler (Ready to take it to the next level)

My Top Five Moving Down
1. Jerome Clary (Human turnstile, obvious top pick, enough said)

2. Nick Hardwick (Average at best, position needs to be addressed real soon, if not now)

3. Quentin Jammer (Step slow and getting older, time to upgrade is now)

4. Antonio Gates (Yes, he still has ability to help, but father time is knocking, Ladarius Green and hopefully a drafted rookie can help fill the gap, his impact is diminishing)

5. Ryan Mathews (Either you see him as someone with potential or a bust, I see bust, sorry, IMHO won't be around after 2013)

What this list tells me is that our defense is young and has a lot of potential to be a force with another few quality playmakers and our offense needs help getting some real athletic playmakers. 

Chargerhonk wrote:

Lots of big decisions for Telesco and McCoy to make this offseason. I am sure they're watching lots of tape and deciding who is on the upswing and who is on the down.

 

So give me your top five "starters" in order of significance, for the 2013, as far as potential impact on the Chargers season, and top five who are on the downward spiral towards the glue factory.

 

My Top Five Moving Up

1. Kendal Reyes (Monster)

2. Vincent Brown  (Will rebound and have huge season)

3. Corey Liuget (Monster Jr.)

4. Melvin Ingram (Learned the ropes, now ready to pay dividends)

5. Donald Butler (Ready to take it to the next level)

 

My Top Five Moving Down
1. Jerome Clary (Human turnstile, obvious top pick, enough said)

2. Nick Hardwick (Average at best, position needs to be addressed real soon, if not now)

3. Quentin Jammer (Step slow and getting older, time to upgrade is now)

4. Antonio Gates (Yes, he still has ability to help, but father time is knocking, Ladarius Green and hopefully a drafted rookie can help fill the gap, his impact is diminishing)

5. Ryan Mathews (Either you see him as someone with potential or a bust, I see bust, sorry, IMHO won't be around after 2013)

What this list tells me is that our defense is young and has a lot of potential to be a force with another few quality playmakers and our offense needs help getting some real athletic playmakers. 

Thanks Yantha!

Cason had an improved second half but he is a serious headache, I agree! He was a stud in college, I am just hoping he is starting to figure it out. I don't know if he'll be replaced, what do you think?

Spikes is OLD!!! I didn't count him because I think he won't be a Charger in 2013.

Garay is a serviceable back up IMHO. Meachem and Royal were huge disappointments, I just think that if Rivers has a revamped offensive line, it will buy him more time, giving Meachem a real opportunity to get open. Royal could lose his job to Spurlock if he isn't ready for camp, so he might not be around either. I agree with all these names, it's just that many of them might not be here in 2013, which I took into account or won't be starters, maybe I should have left Clary off the list...since he too might be jettisoned.

My Top Five Moving Up

1. Kendal Reyes (Monster)

2. Vincent Brown  (Will rebound and have huge season)

3. Corey Liuget (Monster Jr.)

4. Luis Vasquez

5. Donald Butler (Ready to take it to the next level)

yantha wrote: Great list and I agree with all but one.

While I think that Ingram will be on my list after next year, I think that he needs another year to show me more.  Definitely in top 10 but not top 5 for me.

I would replace Ingram with Luis Vasquez.  With a good supporting cast, and a better running back drawing attention to the line, Vasquez might get pro-bowl consideration one day.  IMO the only bright spot on the line.

As for top 5 moving down, unfortunately there are too many for me to consider...
Cason, Spikes, JJ, Garay, Meachem, Royal all deserve consideration for this list as well.

Chargerhonk wrote:

Lots of big decisions for Telesco and McCoy to make this offseason. I am sure they're watching lots of tape and deciding who is on the upswing and who is on the down.

 

So give me your top five "starters" in order of significance, for the 2013, as far as potential impact on the Chargers season, and top five who are on the downward spiral towards the glue factory.

 

My Top Five Moving Up

1. Kendal Reyes (Monster)

2. Vincent Brown  (Will rebound and have huge season)

3. Corey Liuget (Monster Jr.)

4. Melvin Ingram (Learned the ropes, now ready to pay dividends)

5. Donald Butler (Ready to take it to the next level)

 

My Top Five Moving Down
1. Jerome Clary (Human turnstile, obvious top pick, enough said)

2. Nick Hardwick (Average at best, position needs to be addressed real soon, if not now)

3. Quentin Jammer (Step slow and getting older, time to upgrade is now)

4. Antonio Gates (Yes, he still has ability to help, but father time is knocking, Ladarius Green and hopefully a drafted rookie can help fill the gap, his impact is diminishing)

5. Ryan Mathews (Either you see him as someone with potential or a bust, I see bust, sorry, IMHO won't be around after 2013)

What this list tells me is that our defense is young and has a lot of potential to be a force with another few quality playmakers and our offense needs help getting some real athletic playmakers. 

Chargerhonk wrote:

Lots of big decisions for Telesco and McCoy to make this offseason. I am sure they're watching lots of tape and deciding who is on the upswing and who is on the down.

 

So give me your top five "starters" in order of significance, for the 2013, as far as potential impact on the Chargers season, and top five who are on the downward spiral towards the glue factory.

 

My Top Five Moving Up

1. Kendal Reyes (Monster)

2. Vincent Brown  (Will rebound and have huge season)

3. Corey Liuget (Monster Jr.)

4. Melvin Ingram (Learned the ropes, now ready to pay dividends)

5. Donald Butler (Ready to take it to the next level)

 

My Top Five Moving Down
1. Jerome Clary (Human turnstile, obvious top pick, enough said)

2. Nick Hardwick (Average at best, position needs to be addressed real soon, if not now)

3. Quentin Jammer (Step slow and getting older, time to upgrade is now)

4. Antonio Gates (Yes, he still has ability to help, but father time is knocking, Ladarius Green and hopefully a drafted rookie can help fill the gap, his impact is diminishing)

5. Ryan Mathews (Either you see him as someone with potential or a bust, I see bust, sorry, IMHO won't be around after 2013)

What this list tells me is that our defense is young and has a lot of potential to be a force with another few quality playmakers and our offense needs help getting some real athletic playmakers. 

slammer8 wrote: Yes I gotta say that Clary should be first of the new category MOVING OUT!  I like the list there Honk.  My list is  1) Reyes 2) Liuget 3) Butler 4) Ingram and 5) Wright.  Honorable mention Vaz and Brown

Chargerhonk wrote: Great list Mike!

I like Denario, obviously he had a breakthrough this season. My only question is health. Can he do it for a whole season. That's why I didn't put him on my top five. I also think Vincent Brown will be "the guy" when all is said and done in 2013.

Ronnie Brown? He does well catching the ball out of the backfield but many feel he already has a lot of tread on the tires. I hope the Chargers find a rookie who can be Sproles like and fill that void better.

I like Shareece Wright a lot....He was #6 on my list.

Meachem is still an enigma. I say give him one more off-season to work things out and get Rivers more time.

Gaither I see as already gone...(cross our fingers) but he is definitely top of the list with Clary.

Rivers huh? Interesting. Obviously all stats point downward, but I want to see what a new GM/Coach and offensive line can do for him.

yantha wrote: If the club is smart, and gives TUTU a chance next season, IMO we'll all be RAVING about this guy on our "up" list...

Personally, he's my favourite non-starter on the team by a LONG shot.

Chargerhonk wrote:

yantha wrote: If the club is smart, and gives TUTU a chance next season, IMO we'll all be RAVING about this guy on our "up" list...

Personally, he's my favourite non-starter on the team by a LONG shot.

I think you just like saying Tutu...

He has made some great grabs, especially that one at the end of the season to start the first series of a game. I wonder why he hasn't gotten more chances though? Speed, hands, or inability to create space?

Chargerhonk wrote: I just googled "Yantha and Tutu" and this pic came up, strange?