WesChandler wrote: First in! (sorry syx). Look at the last time a Donks coordinator went to the AFC West.

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

WesChandler wrote: First in! (sorry syx). Look at the last time a Donks coordinator went to the AFC West.

WallyQuest wrote: what would be the point? he was hired mainly because of his offensive success by play calling, and controlling the offense. If they handcuff him in that aspect, then why in the world did they hire him?

It just doesn't make any sense to me, this is an extension of Norv and the hiring of another "offensive genius"....this organization pisses me off more than they give me joy   SMH

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

SanDiegosFinest wrote: I'm not sure I get the logic here...unless you are joining the rest of us here being sarcastic.  Is our head coach not supposed to be really good at something??  Is being too good at at calling plays and controlling the offense make you a bad head coach?

For example, is Mike Zimmer (your choice Wally) a really good defensive coach?  A superior play caller and controller of the defense?  By your logic they should not consider him because he would be a glorified DC.  He MAY follow in the footsteps of Rex Ryan/Wade Phillips/Ron Rivera.

Point being, just because Norv has reputation as a great OC and terrible HC doesn't mean that we ignore any good offensive coaches.  Wouldn't the defensive coach be hamstrung just the same?  How do we know we don't have the next Sean Payton/Jim Harbaugh here?

Not bagging on your choice, Zimmer may be the next big thing, just the logic of not taking an offensive guy because it's too much like Norv...Norv had many opportunities to prove himself and never did.  Let's give this guy a shot.

WallyQuest wrote: what would be the point? he was hired mainly because of his offensive success by play calling, and controlling the offense. If they handcuff him in that aspect, then why in the world did they hire him?

It just doesn't make any sense to me, this is an extension of Norv and the hiring of another "offensive genius"....this organization pisses me off more than they give me joy   SMH

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

WallyQuest wrote: This is what I posted in the other thread about McCoy

"Mike McCoy is the second coming of Norv IMO. He is another mellow, play calling OC with a very similar personality to Norv's. 

I just have to ask, will McCoy be the play caller for the Chargers like Norv was? If so, will we see questionable game management and ignorance of the defense?

This was a mistake IMO, we should of hired someone who can change the mentality of this team on offense, defense, and special teams.We need someone who would kick these sorry players butt's and get rid of the complacency at Chargers Park. I just don't see that with McCoy, but I will still ride or die with my Chargers team through the good and the bad.

Good Luck Mr. McCoy, I hope you are the real one."

So basically, I don't think he can control and run a TEAM not just the offense. With coaches like Zimmer and even Bradley you are guaranteed a culture change on both sides of the ball and ST. We have failed miserably with the laid back approach and with McCoy we are continuing on that path.

My point is that I believe Zim could have brought a strong OC and kept pagano. He would have had less responsibility on defense and could have focused on the team as a whole. While McCoy is basically a glorified OC acting as HC much like Norv has been.

His focus will be on play calling taking away from his awareness on the game management OR he will hire a real OC (not Clarence Shelmon or Hal Hunter) to call plays for him taking away from his control on offense, his specialty. 

SanDiegosFinest wrote: I'm not sure I get the logic here...unless you are joining the rest of us here being sarcastic.  Is our head coach not supposed to be really good at something??  Is being too good at at calling plays and controlling the offense make you a bad head coach?

For example, is Mike Zimmer (your choice Wally) a really good defensive coach?  A superior play caller and controller of the defense?  By your logic they should not consider him because he would be a glorified DC.  He MAY follow in the footsteps of Rex Ryan/Wade Phillips/Ron Rivera.

Point being, just because Norv has reputation as a great OC and terrible HC doesn't mean that we ignore any good offensive coaches.  Wouldn't the defensive coach be hamstrung just the same?  How do we know we don't have the next Sean Payton/Jim Harbaugh here?

Not bagging on your choice, Zimmer may be the next big thing, just the logic of not taking an offensive guy because it's too much like Norv...Norv had many opportunities to prove himself and never did.  Let's give this guy a shot.

WallyQuest wrote: what would be the point? he was hired mainly because of his offensive success by play calling, and controlling the offense. If they handcuff him in that aspect, then why in the world did they hire him?

It just doesn't make any sense to me, this is an extension of Norv and the hiring of another "offensive genius"....this organization pisses me off more than they give me joy   SMH

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

kelomar wrote: Every HC came from one side of the ball or the other. Every HC leans to the side he is most familiar with. McCoy was a QB...but that doesn't mean he will not have an OC.

Just like Mike Tomlin coached Defense his entire NFL career and was a DC...but the Steelers have a DC and that seems to work very well.

SanDiegosFinest wrote: If he brings an OC that he is comfortable with, which he can and should, then that shouldn't be a problem.  Just because he is an offensive guy doesn't require him to hire a puppet for an OC as Norv did.  How are you so sure that Zim or Bradley would bring a culture change that McCoy will not?  None have been HC before?  I think limiting this search to only a defensive guy would have been a problem.  Our defense wasn't what stunk up the joint last year and we already have the continuity on that side.  McCoy has been looked at as a guy that got the most out of the guys he coached, I don't see that as a problem 

WallyQuest wrote: This is what I posted in the other thread about McCoy

"Mike McCoy is the second coming of Norv IMO. He is another mellow, play calling OC with a very similar personality to Norv's. 

I just have to ask, will McCoy be the play caller for the Chargers like Norv was? If so, will we see questionable game management and ignorance of the defense?

This was a mistake IMO, we should of hired someone who can change the mentality of this team on offense, defense, and special teams.We need someone who would kick these sorry players butt's and get rid of the complacency at Chargers Park. I just don't see that with McCoy, but I will still ride or die with my Chargers team through the good and the bad.

Good Luck Mr. McCoy, I hope you are the real one."

So basically, I don't think he can control and run a TEAM not just the offense. With coaches like Zimmer and even Bradley you are guaranteed a culture change on both sides of the ball and ST. We have failed miserably with the laid back approach and with McCoy we are continuing on that path.

My point is that I believe Zim could have brought a strong OC and kept pagano. He would have had less responsibility on defense and could have focused on the team as a whole. While McCoy is basically a glorified OC acting as HC much like Norv has been.

His focus will be on play calling taking away from his awareness on the game management OR he will hire a real OC (not Clarence Shelmon or Hal Hunter) to call plays for him taking away from his control on offense, his specialty. 

SanDiegosFinest wrote: I'm not sure I get the logic here...unless you are joining the rest of us here being sarcastic.  Is our head coach not supposed to be really good at something??  Is being too good at at calling plays and controlling the offense make you a bad head coach?

For example, is Mike Zimmer (your choice Wally) a really good defensive coach?  A superior play caller and controller of the defense?  By your logic they should not consider him because he would be a glorified DC.  He MAY follow in the footsteps of Rex Ryan/Wade Phillips/Ron Rivera.

Point being, just because Norv has reputation as a great OC and terrible HC doesn't mean that we ignore any good offensive coaches.  Wouldn't the defensive coach be hamstrung just the same?  How do we know we don't have the next Sean Payton/Jim Harbaugh here?

Not bagging on your choice, Zimmer may be the next big thing, just the logic of not taking an offensive guy because it's too much like Norv...Norv had many opportunities to prove himself and never did.  Let's give this guy a shot.

WallyQuest wrote: what would be the point? he was hired mainly because of his offensive success by play calling, and controlling the offense. If they handcuff him in that aspect, then why in the world did they hire him?

It just doesn't make any sense to me, this is an extension of Norv and the hiring of another "offensive genius"....this organization pisses me off more than they give me joy   SMH

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

yantha wrote:

TreWells wrote: I think they will make McCoy get an OC.

I hope so.  I'm not too excited about his offensive style.  Watching the Broncos without Manning, I've wondered who's running the show out there in Denver.  Head scratchers many times.  I've seen three in a row runs up the middle with McGahee quite a few times as well......

Sound familiar?  Isn't that why Marty was given soo much grief?

We don't have the power offense we used to, so I hope that we get an OC that likes to use two TE sets and spread formations....

WallyQuest..."I may have jumped the gun a little bit,"


Nawww! Shoot first and learn later!

Thisfrickinguy wrote: Why waste money on another OC when he could call the plays himself.  He's already wasting your money Dean.  Fire him!!!!!!!   

88Unbeatable82 wrote: I hate this hire!

If my generation has done anything, we have transformed the culture of our society into that of whining, griping and complaining about EVERYTHING.

So why are they hiring this fool to limit those opportunities?

Seriously, man, this just... well... it just SUCKS!!!

Chargerhonk wrote:

88Unbeatable82 wrote: I hate this hire!

If my generation has done anything, we have transformed the culture of our society into that of whining, griping and complaining about EVERYTHING.

So why are they hiring this fool to limit those opportunities?

Seriously, man, this just... well... it just SUCKS!!!

Yeah! Exactly! Now I'll have nothing to write about! I just realized this!