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Was Ryan Mathews the Right Pick in 2010?
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Posted: 01/14/2013 8:54 PM
Was Ryan Mathews the Right Pick in 2010?
2010 Revisited: Was Mathews the Right Pick?The Chargers ran for just 1,461 yards in 2012, the team's second-lowest output since 2000, the year before San Diego drafted LaDainian Tomlinson. Is the 2010 trade-up for Ryan Mathews to blame for these middling stats? We take a look back at the 2010 draft class and see where Mathews stacks up against the rest of the running backs. Read More...
The Chargers were so close to getting LT Duane Brown (2008), OLB Brian Orakpo (2009) and RB C.J. Spiller (2010). Instead, they wind up with Buster Davis, Larry English and Ryan Mathews. So close, yet so far away.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 8:57 PM
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Agreed! Complete Cluster F! Mike, would you cut Ryan? I know this sounds harsh, but I honestly believe at this point it's time to cut bait. I see the same results next season. He'll be marred in injuries and will be really ineffective. I think it's time to find a stud in round 2-5 and let them take over, hopefully Ryan is slowly pushed out the door, which I believe will happen, so why not cut to the chase, and make the inevitable happen now.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:07 PM
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At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two just in case he does get knocked out again.
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Last edited 01/14/2013 9:11 PM by syxwunine
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:11 PM
RE: Was Ryan Mathews the Right Pick in 2010?
You are correct sir! syxwunine wrote: At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two. |
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:21 PM
RE: Was Ryan Mathews the Right Pick in 2010?
slammer8 wrote: You are correct sir!
syxwunine wrote: At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two. He might have been right going into last season, and I hate to say this....in the end, it will be me who ultimately hit the nail on the head. I have honestly no doubt that Ryan will be canned before he can ever prove he's not a bust for the Bolts. He'll either be injured or ineffective or both...most likely injured for sure. Cut him! Save yourself the headaches. You should read this article...Dead to Me: Ryan Mathews It's a fantasy outlook on Ryan and starts by saying "I think we can all agree that Ryan Mathews is more deserving of the fantasy death sentence than any other NFL player." HA! And I agree... http://thefakefootball.com/ryan-mathews-youre-dead -to-me/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed& amp; amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheFakeFootball+%28The+Fa ke+Football%29
Last edited 01/14/2013 9:23 PM by Chargerhonk
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:27 PM
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As Syx said, "at the time , yes." They need to bring in a vet like Ced B. and draft Theo Riddick in the 5th. I would be happy with a backfield of Mathews, Benson and Riddick for a year.
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Posted: 01/14/2013 9:56 PM
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I can buy everything you say here Honk except for the " I hate to say this" When does Mr Honk hate to say he is correct? Brother Honk frequently wrong but never in doubt! Chargerhonk wrote:
slammer8 wrote: You are correct sir!
syxwunine wrote: At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two. He might have been right going into last season, and I hate to say this....in the end, it will be me who ultimately hit the nail on the head.
I have honestly no doubt that Ryan will be canned before he can ever prove he's not a bust for the Bolts. He'll either be injured or ineffective or both...most likely injured for sure. Cut him! Save yourself the headaches. You should read this article...Dead to Me: Ryan Mathews
It's a fantasy outlook on Ryan and starts by saying "I think we can all agree that Ryan Mathews is more deserving of the fantasy death sentence than any other NFL player." HA! And I agree...
http://thefakefootball.com/ryan-mathews-youre-dead -to-me/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed& amp; amp; amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheFakeFootball+%28The+Fa ke+Football%29 |
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Posted: 01/14/2013 10:05 PM
RE: Was Ryan Mathews the Right Pick in 2010?
HA! I don't claim to have all the answers. I'm a fan, what do you expect...HA! I will say this though, I don't get enough credit on here for a lot of things I've said...and that's from being one of the first vocal critics of Norv and AJ to predicting a breakthrough right off the bat for Denario Alexander to yelling until I was blue in the face years ago to find a replacement for Jamal Williams and upgrading our offensive line, to even wanting to draft Kaepernick. I know my record...it might not be perfect but it's way more realistic and on target than many, not to mention how times I stick my neck out compared to others. My latest find...Seastrunk...When he becomes a stud in the NFL, you'll remember you heard it here first! With that said...I like being wrong from time to time, it keeps me humble! 
Last edited 01/14/2013 10:07 PM by Chargerhonk
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Posted: 01/15/2013 5:37 AM
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I agree with you 90% of the time, Honk. But I'll go on record on this one in saying that you are dead wrong. IF Mathews is retained by the new coach and GM (which he will be . . . you heard it here first), then, with a retooled offensive live and, therefore, a return to form for PR, you will see the Mathews that we have seen flashes of on a regular basis. Follow this logic: Norv Turner, for whatever reason, disavowed the play action for the most part. He decided that he wanted PR to become the king of the seven-step drop. All the MLB ever had to do is key on PR does and adjust. With a game plan that actually changes from game-to-game and and an offensive line that can both open holes and protect PR, Mathews will come around. Book it.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 6:28 AM
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Ryan Mathews looked like the real deal coming out of college. His feet were faster than any I've seen, really ever, and I liked his burst.
But as a pro player he's been out of shape on occasion, injury prone, and his head is clearly in the Warcraft Clouds. Fumbleina.... (if that's one of the characters...)
I don't see the dedication to the game, nor the "sportsman's personality" at all.
Not great....
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Posted: 01/15/2013 7:09 AM
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yantha wrote: Ryan Mathews looked like the real deal coming out of college. His feet were faster than any I've seen, really ever, and I liked his burst.
But as a pro player he's been out of shape on occasion, injury prone, and his head is clearly in the Warcraft Clouds. Fumbleina.... (if that's one of the characters...)
I don't see the dedication to the game, nor the "sportsman's personality" at all.
Not great.... Plus how many times have you seen him break for a big run? I can't even think of any. His vision and ability to cut are poor. He fumbles the ball and can't be counted on. And some players' bodies aren't meant to take the beating of the NFL...it could also be genetic. I just see Mathews now as a lost cause. If I am wrong, I will more than gladly eat crow, but I'm 99.9% sure I am right....stick a fork in him, he's done! Chargers new GM WILL NOT place all their eggs in his basket! Telesco will sign and probably draft other options and see if Mathews can work his way back in the fold. And once again, he'll get injured, fumble the ball...and eventually be gone. We shall see....Did anyone read the article I posted above? I think the writer makes a very valid argument that I am making too.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 7:28 AM
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+1 He will be back syxwunine wrote: At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two just in case he does get knocked out again. |
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Posted: 01/15/2013 7:36 AM
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This. Hindsight is always 20-20. I'm sure the Dolphins would rather have Drew Brees over Daunte Culpepper, or there are probably about 31 teams that Tom Brady would have done Ok for, or how about San Diego's own Terell Davis going in the 6th. Cliche Enough?syxwunine wrote: At the time he absolutely was. He was the most pro ready RB in the class and the only RB on our roster was Darren Sproles (Mike Tolbert had less than 10 carries as a HB). You got a 220lb RB who can run a 4.41 and has a good head on his shoulders...whats not to like? The injury bug is not something I can blame AJ Smith for, RM's injuries in college were nothing like what we've seen in the NFL.
I would not cut him, I think its ridiculous notion built up by too many impatient frustrated simple minded fans. He is 1 year removed from a pro bowl season where he averaged 5 yards per carry and he's still CHEAP. I would however sign or draft a viable backup or two just in case he does get knocked out again.
Last edited 01/15/2013 7:48 AM by WesChandler
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Posted: 01/15/2013 8:13 AM
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I know Honk you have made some good calls and I am just pulling your chain. As far as Mathews I am not ready to dump him yet. It is hard to judge last year because he broke both collarbones! I still say the kid has potential. Remember CJ Spiller looked like a bust as did the kid at Seattle Lynch only to come alive after the first few seasons. Since we need to draft O line , CB and ILB as well as safety I say lets keep him another year on the cheap and see what happens. Chargerhonk wrote: HA! I don't claim to have all the answers. I'm a fan, what do you expect...HA!
I will say this though, I don't get enough credit on here for a lot of things I've said...and that's from being one of the first vocal critics of Norv and AJ to predicting a breakthrough right off the bat for Denario Alexander to yelling until I was blue in the face years ago to find a replacement for Jamal Williams and upgrading our offensive line, to even wanting to draft Kaepernick. I know my record...it might not be perfect but it's way more realistic and on target than many, not to mention how times I stick my neck out compared to others. My latest find...Seastrunk...When he becomes a stud in the NFL, you'll remember you heard it here first!
With that said...I like being wrong from time to time, it keeps me humble! |
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Posted: 01/15/2013 8:16 AM
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Yeah...I love the old "what if" stories. Like Mike Riley begging Bobby Beathard to take this QB from Michigan named Brady late in the draft. |
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Posted: 01/15/2013 8:18 AM
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in a word... No... He wasn't the right pick on hindsight but neither was English and many other AJ first round picks.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 11:53 AM
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I don't even think he was the right pick at the time. If we had stayed put and he had fallen to 28 like some predicted he would then yeah he would have been, but after the trade up he wasn't. The right pick in my mind and the pick I wanted at the time would have been Earl Thomas. We needed a safety (and still do) just as badly as a RB and Thomas was and is the better player. Now I still believe Ryno will bounce back if they put a decent line in front of him, but they should have picked Thomas imo.
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Posted: 01/15/2013 12:15 PM
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if AJ was allowed to let LT walk the season prior we wouldve had Michael Turner and had no need for Ryan Mathews
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Posted: 01/15/2013 12:49 PM
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kiwibolt wrote: if AJ was allowed to let LT walk the season prior we wouldve had Michael Turner and had no need for Ryan Mathews Or he could have franchised Turner for a year and then let LT go the next year. |
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Posted: 01/15/2013 3:13 PM
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I am in the camp of Mathews still has a lot to prove and has quite a bit in the tank. He has great burst around the edge and has nice cutting ability. The Oline that he and Rivers have played behind are the primary reason neither of them are putting up numbers.
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