BoltinLoudGuy wrote: I don't have a problem with the Arians selection. Why Telesco when you have guys like Gamble and Caldwell out there? It just doesn't make any sense.

Chargerhonk wrote: Let's face it, and I have accepted this, Dean Spanos is a horrible owner, and real D*CK!

End of story!

That's it. As a fan, there is nothing you can do about the owner. He is as dysfunctional an owner that you will find in all of sports and that includes the Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

Spanos is all about the money. He isn't as interested in winning. Just the fact that he allowed AJ to act the way he did over the past decade to his players, the media, and his coaches...should tell you all you need to know. Let's hold on until we know all the facts though...but the current news we are hearing doesn't surprise me.

Chargerhonk wrote: 
Spanos is CHEAP! A few years ago, when the owner/player agreement was in limbo, we were 20 plus million or more under the cap, and it didn't have to be. Why do you think AJ didn't keep top talent? Why do the Chargers refuse to spend more money on top coordinators and asst coaches? Why won't Spanos go out right now, with everything riding the line here in San Diego for a new stadium, and bring in a BIG NAME COACH.....to help him rally fans and get votes?

Why did Dean try to sell his father's share of the team, when it would cost him millions in taxes now, instead of waiting until his father passes away......ONE REASON! He is cheap and needs money! You are wrong! Spanos is well known around SD biz circles for being a cheap SOB! Take me with a grain of salt but there is a lot of reasons why Dean Spanos keeps making horrible decisions, it's because he weighs money over all his decisions over doing what's the best thing for his team and fans.

Chargerhonk wrote: Syx...

Why didn't Spanos step up and make sure VJ stayed a Charger? Why doesn't Spanos go out right now and get the best big name head coach available? Especially when he's trying to get season ticket holders back and get a new stadium?

Why didn't he axe Norv and AJ after last season?

These questions, and I have many more, all lead to one answer. But if you don't think so, I always respect your opinion, we can differ on this.

Because Spanos is not a football guy HONK! He lets the people he hired to run the show make the decisions, and he trusted AJ Smith to make the right decisions! BTW There is no fu**ing way I'd pay any WR other than Calvin Johnson 11-13 million a year when you have a QB who threw for 4500 yards in 2010 with scrubs catching the ball.

Vincent Jackson is not the reason we missed the playoffs, we missed the playoffs because of our left tackle played 4 games, and Norv Turner doesn't understand how to make offensive adjustments at halftime!

And I truly believe it was Philip Rivers who saved AJ and Norv last year by appealing to Dean. 

Chargerhonk wrote: I see it differently. He's the owner, the buck stops there...you make him out to be completely inept as an owner, as though he doesn't know what's going on and he does what others tell him to do. He's the owner! He can say..."HEY! Let's do this..." at any time. He's had many opportunities to do so. He could have easily stepped in to get VJ back if he wanted to....other teams owners have done that many times. Whatever it is...Spanos is inept. Let's see who he hires, then I'll either have something more negative to say as usual or be surprised, which I hope I am.

The problem with the Spanos management is not that they are tight with a buck.  They make bad choices with seemingly little rationale behind the direction.  You could say they make decisions with too much weight toward the risk side of the equation or even that they do so out of fear.  That is too simple also. 


I don't know what it is but the way they go about making decisions, from public knowledge of the details that are known, is nonsensical.


Consider: ( This is based on Acee and his manlationship with John Spanos so take with an aggregation of salt grains on par with a full salt lick )

That said, the Chargers brass is said to not want a re-tread.  Now, what constitutes a re-tread ?  Schottenheimer ?  Turner ?  No matter the ending of the relationship if they did not like the direction of the team under Schottenheimer they are simply too ignorant of football to even continue on in this venture. 


To consider Turner a re-tread is an offense to re-treads.  Andy Reid is not Norv Turner.  John Gruden is not Norv Turner.  Mike Holmgren is not Norv Turner.  You know why ?  Because they all F'ing won.  The fact that this organization married a two-time loser in Norv Turner is on them.  It should not be an indictment of all other coaches who have actually coached before. 


The arguement we had last year of the frozen stance of "continuity" was that Dean and family were afraid of the unknown.  The ole "grass isn't always greener" routine.  True enough a statement but why now, when making the actual required change, is historical track record a sure indicator of failure in re-tread while choosing an unknown quantity the desirable position ? 


For a management team applying the appropriate weight to the risk of the unknown this is literally an absurd position to hold.  A coordinator known well enough to have a history of good opinion must also carry a corresponding risk to answer the un-asked question on everyone's mind.  If this said coordinator is so highly thought of why is this the first opportunity to lead a team ?  The answer could be simply timing or bad luck or any of the above and said coordinator may end up being a brilliant choice.  The point though is there is clearly more risk - much more - associated with choosing a candidate with no track record over the "re-tread".


I have been thinking that Norv's parting kick to the balls on this franchise was peeling off three of four to drop our draft positioning.  Now it appears he will be kicking us in the balls with impunity for years to come because he has branded winning coaches with track records as "re-treads" and "re-treads" are to be avoided at all cost simply because they have commonality with Norval for simply having coached previously in this league.  Of course, the village idiot or a horse that can play Tic-Tac-Toe ( thank you Clever Hans ) would be able to understand that Norv was a bad selection.  But,  not because of his prior experience but because he was a failure in those two previous experiences.  Because you, as management, have failed to learn from the trend or historical data in front of you does not mean all data is bad and that the proper direction is random selection.


Oh well... This is a team that brings me on to a message board to commisserate. So, unfortunately, I will have to swallow the double dollop of dog-sh*t we're to digest here.  I, for once, just wish the Spanos' were the conceptual monkey at a keyboard randomly banging out Shakespeare. 


For once - can we actually have a winning ticket ?  Even a ticket simply winning the chance to only enter again as opposed to our franchise being on the wrong end of a comedy prank receiving a lottery ticket printed in wing-ding font and on a product by Charmin.

syxwunine wrote:
Personally I believe AJ Smith made the right decision letting VJ walk, especially when it was clear he was going to use the money to try to improve the rest of the roster.  Gaither and Meachem didn't work out, but really he had no choice but to sign Gaither as there were no other LT's available in free agency.

slammer8 wrote: I dont care for the Owner but he did hire someone to help pick the GM and coach and I would be happy with a Raye/Arians combo with Pagano staying as the DC.  Its not like he is naming his son as the new GM which some posters gravely feared.

slammer8 wrote: Actually I agree that Pagano should be considered as a HC candidate and sure would be better than Moras. Then we would have to hire an OC.  I also dont think you have to hire a HC that wants a different DC as long as the HC is the right choice.  Would could do much worse than a Raye/Arians/Pagano combo.