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Posted: 12/13/2012 8:58 AM
16 Team Playoffs??
NO FRICKIN WAY!!!
Unfortunately as a fan of the Chargers these guys have shown me all to well what caliber of team and mindset does not deserve to be in the playoffs. Calling a 8-8 season a "winning season" or using the excuse for 9-7 seasons of "you make the tournament and see what happens" I dont want that kind of team in the playoffs. You could literally choke away 1/2 your games and still make the playoffs?  Rewarding .500 ball is a joke. Owners like Spanos are already content playing the slim odds a 9-7/8-8 team will wild card, you give them this and goodbye to expectations all together. I'm actually for lowering the teams that make the playoffs. I want to see more competition in the regular season. And if not, quit jacking up the ticket prices and cost to go to a game if literally 1/2 of the games will not matter to get you into the playoffs. TERRIBLE IDEA.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:41 AM
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I hate it! It cheapens the product and it will make the NFL like the NBA.
It will reward owners like Dean Spanos for being bad owners and will encourage them to not invest more in their own product.
I like European soccer....they really penalize teams for losing. I think if an NFL team loses a certain amount of games over a certain determined amount of time, there should be a penalty...it would definitely make owners more accountable to the fans...and coaches like Norv wouldn't be allowed to run a team year after year after year.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:12 AM
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I like that idea. Could you imagine?  Not sure how they could/would do it though. The thought of an 8-8 team making the playoffs is cheapening! Chargerhonk wrote: I hate it! It cheapens the product and it will make the NFL like the NBA.
It will reward owners like Dean Spanos for being bad owners and will encourage them to not invest more in their own product.
I like European soccer....they really penalize teams for losing. I think if an NFL team loses a certain amount of games over a certain determined amount of time, there should be a penalty...it would definitely make owners more accountable to the fans...and coaches like Norv wouldn't be allowed to run a team year after year after year.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:45 AM
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Under the CURRENT playoff system we already have 7-9 teams making the playoffs. So, changing the format to 14 or 16 teams would only increase the numbers.
Although it serves to give more teams and fans HOPE.....I tend to agree that it waters down the regular season importance significantly.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:48 AM
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I heard one of the arguments for it was a guy that said it would give fans whos teams never make the playoffs something to look forward to. If we agree with that how long until the playoffs start to lose some of the luster due to half the field making it? 1ARTIST wrote: Under the CURRENT playoff system we already have 7-9 teams making the playoffs. So, changing the format to 14 or 16 teams would only increase the numbers.
Although it serves to give more teams and fans HOPE.....I tend to agree that it waters down the regular season importance significantly.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 10:50 AM
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You can look at this two ways:
1. It creates more parity in the league, instead of the normal year to year variety.
Example, a team starts 4-0, then the injury bug hits, they go 1-8 their next 9 games, starters come back and they win out, 8-8 make the playoffs, and go on to win a championship...
Example 2. NY football Giants.... what was it, 9-7, 10- 6 or something like that? SB champs...TWICE...
Example 3. Seattle Seahawks....7-9, make the playoffs because the NFCW was horrible, and beat the heavily favored Saints in the Wildcard round....
The people that will think in this realm are more likely to be sympathetic to an 8-8 or 7-9 team getting in, especially a team riddled with injuries, because that cant possibly be an owner's fault, right? They will cite that " anything can happen on any given Sunday, Saturday, Monday or Thursday"
Or you can look at it this way:
Its a horrible idea, because if a team wasnt competitive in the regular season, why would they be allowed to not be competitive in the postseason?
I tend to think with the latter side of the house on this one, but I will take it a step further....
I think this is all a give me more money type idea from Emperor Palpatine- I mean Goodell, and its hypocrisy at its finest....
You fine defensive players for hits on defenseless players, citing player safety...Ok I can buy that... You fine players for hitting QB's, below the waist, or above the shoulders, or just at all apparently, citing player safety....Imm iffy on this one, I can see below the waist/knee area.... You move kickoffs up to the 35 yard line, in order to limit the amount of kickoff returns, citing player safety in regards to 250 lb men running full speed at each other...Cant buy this one.... You are trying to get rid of kickoffs all together, citing player safety, yet you want to keep punt returns...cant buy this one... All this in the name of player safety, yet you want to add an extra game, add 4 more teams to the playoffs, in the process erasing first round byes of teams who worked and played their asses off to get there, and you want to sell me player safety?
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:23 AM
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Why do all these "smart people" in suits feel they need to continue to mess with one of the best sports in the World? Don't mess with what is already working so well. One reason the NFL is so great is because EVERY GAME COUNTS (whereas in baseball/hockey etc, if you lose a game, it doesn't really matter all that much...). This idea rewards losers. BAD IDEA. Let's not forget that every dog has it's day. Imagine if for example the RAMS at 6-6 were team #16 and played the TEXANS in the playoffs and had a "good day".... Then the Texans, deserving of a superbowl shot get knocked out of the running on a fluky day at the office?? NOPE. Bad idea. I'd be fine with the #8 seed knocking them out..... but the #16 seed doesn't belong... LightEmUp1 wrote: NO FRICKIN WAY!!!
Unfortunately as a fan of the Chargers these guys have shown me all to well what caliber of team and mindset does not deserve to be in the playoffs. Calling a 8-8 season a "winning season" or using the excuse for 9-7 seasons of "you make the tournament and see what happens" I dont want that kind of team in the playoffs.
You could literally choke away 1/2 your games and still make the playoffs? 
Rewarding .500 ball is a joke. Owners like Spanos are already content playing the slim odds a 9-7/8-8 team will wild card, you give them this and goodbye to expectations all together.
I'm actually for lowering the teams that make the playoffs. I want to see more competition in the regular season. And if not, quit jacking up the ticket prices and cost to go to a game if literally 1/2 of the games will not matter to get you into the playoffs.
TERRIBLE IDEA.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:38 AM
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The NY Giants are the only 9-7 team to win a SuperBowl. In fact they are only the 3rd 9-7 team to make a SuperBowl since the last 70's.
I'd say 3 years out of 30+ isnt enough to say "on any given Sunday". 1 in every 10 years? You take away the Giants and a team has NEVER won a SuperBowl with a 9-7 record AND only 2 teams in 30+ years have even been to one with a 9-7 record.
Really like the comment about every game counting in the NFL. Thats a great point!
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:44 AM
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I agree. This is an awful idea. The beauty of the NFL is that it's only 16 games (currently) as opposed to the idiotic 1/2 a year seasons of baseball, hockey, and basketball. And, the NFL allows less teams into the playoffs which makes the postseason more meaningful (and more enjoyable). Let's keep it that way.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 11:55 AM
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This is what's wrong with the world now days. Don't reward someone from coming in 14th place. That's just ridiculous. I get the reasoning behind doing it for like say little kid leagues but these are grown men in a professional leauge. If the current system isn't broken, there is no need to fix it. Of course we all know what the real motivation for this is. LightEmUp1 wrote: I heard one of the arguments for it was a guy that said it would give fans whos teams never make the playoffs something to look forward to.
If we agree with that how long until the playoffs start to lose some of the luster due to half the field making it?
1ARTIST wrote: Under the CURRENT playoff system we already have 7-9 teams making the playoffs. So, changing the format to 14 or 16 teams would only increase the numbers.
Although it serves to give more teams and fans HOPE.....I tend to agree that it waters down the regular season importance significantly.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:06 PM
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Weird how Bountygate just blew up in Goodell's face and all of a sudden Roger comes out with this whole playoff discussion. Strange, huh? Move the focus.....I got it!
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Posted: 12/13/2012 1:14 PM
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Radio guys last night eluded to the same thing. Chargerhonk wrote: Weird how Bountygate just blew up in Goodell's face and all of a sudden Roger comes out with this whole playoff discussion. Strange, huh? Move the focus.....I got it!
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Posted: 12/13/2012 5:18 PM
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Worst idea ever. I'm not a fan of the idea to eliminate kickoffs either, which was in that Time interview with Goodell.
Last edited 12/13/2012 5:18 PM by paco13
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Posted: 12/13/2012 7:00 PM
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I truly believe that if I ever stop watching NFL games outside of SD games, it will be under Goodell's watch. I'm already watching the Knicks vs Lakers over the Eagles vs Cincy tonight, even though there are playoff implications for SD attached to that game. That should give you an idea of how much I enjoy 16 weeks of Thursday Night football.
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Posted: 12/13/2012 9:34 PM
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For once, everyone on the board agrees.
Goodell cannot be taken seriously about player safety when he proposes things like this.
But he works for the owners. And let's face it. You don't get as rich as an NFL owner gets by giving a s**t about the well-being of your employees.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 7:20 AM
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I think therein lies the problem. Goodell tries to make everyone happy and it's just not possible. Players: He advocates player safety and fines harshly for helmet to helmet hits and things of that nature. Owners: He is always looking for ways for increased revenue whether that's 18 games in the regular season or increasing the playoffs. Fans: He states the Pro Bowl may be gone, which more fans want, and considers reducing the worthless preseason games. I get that Goodell's job is loyalty to the owners first and to try to make everyone happy, but at some point, common sense needs to step in and Goodell needs to see what the average fan can see in that you cannot make everyone happy. Increasing to 18 games directly contradicts player safety and will ultimately leave fans unhappy because the NFL will become a watered down product. Same goes for the playoffs expansion. HunterSTomlinson wrote: For once, everyone on the board agrees.
Goodell cannot be taken seriously about player safety when he proposes things like this.
But he works for the owners. And let's face it. You don't get as rich as an NFL owner gets by giving a s**t about the well-being of your employees.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:08 AM
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Agree with above. Goodell only works for the owners. The owners are the stockholders and board of the NFL ie the company. Goodell is their CEO and his job is to keep the company as profitable as possible. THe only way to do that is to keep the customers ( the TV Stations and the fans) happy and willing to buy their product. They have to provide a fair work environment for their workers who are in a union ( players) Lets face it the union is down third on the list for Goodell. Should they expand to a 18 game schedule or increased playoffs? The customers will clearly say yes. In order for this to happen you have to get the workers to agree which would likely be increased salaries, workers comp benefits for injuries and or share of revenue. This could happen by expanding the active roster to 60 or increasing the cap. It is simple business.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 9:00 AM
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If they want $$$ how about they look into bettering the fan experience at a game? Making "attending" a game more unique and interesting than watching on TV. Start with the thugs and jackasses in the stands. Cater to families.
Heres an idea.
Before every home game have each side - offense/defense sign a ball. So offense signs one, defense signs the other. Make 25 of these each. Then randomly draw seat numbers and give them out.
Another idea.
Before each home game call out 5 seat numbers. Those people get escorted to watch the game from the sideline.
Another idea.
Before the 4th quarter call out 2 seat numbers. Those people get to visit the locker room during media time.
None of these ideas cost much money, heck the last two dont cost the team anything, but could you imagine having the chance to watch from the sideline and see what an NFL locker room looks like?
They just arent very creative in the NFL. They need to capture the experience better.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 8:33 PM
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As a season ticket holder the Chargers have been pulling out the stops to try and keep as going. They have had opportunities for us to go to private practices, player signings. conference calls with some of the players. The bottom line it that all that crap wont work if they dont start winning. If they want to fill the seats they need to field a winning team.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 10:28 PM
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This. slammer8 wrote: As a season ticket holder the Chargers have been pulling out the stops to try and keep as going. They have had opportunities for us to go to private practices, player signings. conference calls with some of the players. The bottom line it that all that crap wont work if they dont start winning. If they want to fill the seats they need to field a winning team.
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