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Read this old article about Norv.

Posted: 11/28/2012 1:01 PM

Read this old article about Norv. 


Holy Crap! - Tell me if this doesnt sound exactly like an article today. Listen to what the players said. banghead

Al Davis had more sense than Spanos.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/art...red-2507546.php

Norv Turner became the sixth NFL head coach to be fired in the past three days when the 4-12 Raiders dismissed him today following two losing seasons.

Turner, 53, met with team owner Al Davis just before noon and was given the news everyone expected. The Raiders' 2005 record helped cement his departure: Davis also fired Joe Bugel and Bill Callahan following 4-12 finishes, in 1997 and 2003, respectively.

Turner's Raiders had a 9-23 overall record and 1-11 division record -- including an 0-6 mark against the AFC West in 2005, a first since Davis' association with the Raiders began in 1963.

The team's streak of three losing seasons also is a first for Davis, 76, who became frustrated by the Raiders' lack of scoring and consistency, despite a roster boasting big-name, big-money players in quarterback Kerry Collins, wide receivers Randy Moss and Jerry Porter and running back LaMont Jordan.

Under Turner, the Raiders led the NFL in penalties in 2004-05, a perennial problem for a franchise that sees itself as unfairly targeted by NFL officiating.

He had one year remaining on a three-year contract worth about $8 million, a club option that the Raiders declined. Turner, however, will receive the remaining $1.75 million unless he finds work with another NFL team.

Despite Turner's lack of success in Oakland, he remained popular with his players. In the final days, following a season-ending 30-21 home loss to the New York Giants, many of them publicly defended their head coach and his staff.

"You fire Norv, and boom -- you bring in a whole new staff, a whole new system, and I don't know if that's the best thing," safety Stuart Schweigert said before the firing.

Said safety Jarrod Cooper, "I think it would be a waste. Why would you do that? The coach had nothing to do with dropped balls, missed tackles or nothing like that.

"Everyone just has to get on the same page. This is the best team I've been on. All we have to do is just get it right. We could bring in 10 new coaches, but 10 new coaches aren't going to do anything for nobody if all the players aren't on the same page."

Only Moss, who finished his first season as a Raider with 60 receptions for 1,005 yards and eight touchdowns, seemed to openly reject Turner's leadership.

The enigmatic star refused interview requests by Bay Area reporters following a Sept. 8 loss at New England, saying he wanted his play to speak for him. He offered a tepid opinion of Turner during a November 15 interview with ESPN.

Asked for his opinion of Turner as a head coach, Moss paused for nearly 15 seconds, then responded, "I think his approach, being an offensive-minded coach, is something that I can accept. ... He's the man. I leave it at that."

But Moss made a telling statement about his feelings for Turner and the '05 season last Saturday night, when he bolted from the Coliseum locker room before Turner addressed the team following the loss to the Giants.

Collins, who passed for 3,759 yards and 20 touchdowns in 2005 -- his most productive season since 2002 with the Giants -- was the target of boos, along with Turner, for completing 54 percent of his passes, losing and throwing 12 interceptions.

He said last week he would like to return in 2006 and would be willing to consider restructuring his contract, which calls for him to be paid $8.5 million in salary and bonuses. But Collins also said Turner's fate "will have some effect" on his decision to remain in Oakland.

For now, Turner is the fall guy.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Raiders-coach-T urner-is-fired-2507546.php#ixzz2DYNaBl13
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Posted: 11/28/2012 1:21 PM

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seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

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Posted: 11/28/2012 2:07 PM

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I'm more looking at how they made the same mistakes and players came to his defense. Many have thought that Norv is too easy on his players and here is an article from 2005 with the exact same defense of Norv we hear today.



kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

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Posted: 11/28/2012 3:15 PM

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What's interesting, as you note, is the players (except the moody Moss) come to his defense. See, to me, that's an amazing thing. They actually put it on themselves for their problems. Which seems a lot like today. I wouldn't expect that to be the case with most mediocre to poor coaches. In other words, while I agree he doesn't seem to be able to get the job done as a head coach, he doesn't seem to lose the morale or effort of MOST of his team. That's not usual in the world of coaching/managing. Losing and ripping a coach usually go hand-in-hand.

LightEmUp1 wrote: I'm more looking at how they made the same mistakes and players came to his defense. Many have thought that Norv is too easy on his players and here is an article from 2005 with the exact same defense of Norv we hear today.



kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

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Posted: 11/28/2012 3:29 PM

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Unless you like the resort style training camps and easy going attitude the HC has. No accountability, no expectations.

Theres this misnomer out there that if players defend their coaches in the midst of failure that it somehow means the coach is ok. I'd say the players have other motives.

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.



shoehater wrote: What's interesting, as you note, is the players (except the moody Moss) come to his defense. See, to me, that's an amazing thing. They actually put it on themselves for their problems. Which seems a lot like today. I wouldn't expect that to be the case with most mediocre to poor coaches. In other words, while I agree he doesn't seem to be able to get the job done as a head coach, he doesn't seem to lose the morale or effort of MOST of his team. That's not usual in the world of coaching/managing. Losing and ripping a coach usually go hand-in-hand.

LightEmUp1 wrote: I'm more looking at how they made the same mistakes and players came to his defense. Many have thought that Norv is too easy on his players and here is an article from 2005 with the exact same defense of Norv we hear today.



kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

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Last edited 11/28/2012 3:35 PM by LightEmUp1

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Posted: 11/28/2012 3:52 PM

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Norv is a SOFT head coach. He isn't demanding, he doesn't get into his players, he doesn't work them into the ground.

Now...the players love that, who wouldn't?

But because of that, you see a lack of focus, a lack of cohesion, a lack of sharpness.

Yes, the players play hard, but they all do, that's their job. But the reason why the Chargers keep losing such close games and all different fashions is directly related to Norv....He isn't a leader and he doesn't have a real attention to detail...

4th and 29? Two minute drill at the end of a game? Up by 24 pts at halftime? All losses and signatures of a head coach who doesn't get his players over the hump. That's the bottom line....Is there even a debate here.

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Posted: 11/28/2012 3:59 PM

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No debate from me.

And you hit the nail on the head. No focus. No sharpness.

If we had to get into a 2 minute drill to make a comeback winning drive I dont even think we would be ready for it let alone get it done with this group. I'd see poor clock management, plays that take too long, Rivers waiting for the call to come in, crap like that.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 4:51 PM

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i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.


 
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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:01 PM

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Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.


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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:05 PM

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why whose team was it in 2007? and what does it say that Norv took them even further than Marty did

LightEmUp1 wrote: Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.


 
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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:48 PM

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kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

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So,is your point...that...Norv should receive a lifetime contract?
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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:56 PM

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no but im not gonna just sit here and watch Norv get blamed for Al Qaeda and the Palestine War too


SDChargers85fan wrote:
kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

....
So,is your point...that...Norv should receive a lifetime contract?
 
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Posted: 11/28/2012 6:09 PM

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kiwibolt wrote: no but im not gonna just sit here and watch Norv get blamed for Al Qaeda and the Palestine War too


SDChargers85fan wrote:
kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

....
So,is your point...that...Norv should receive a lifetime contract?

oh jeez drama queen.


Take a breath.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:27 PM

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LightEmUp1 wrote: Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.


What do you mean it wasn't his team? We have got to be fair here....he was the coach, his mindset is what got the team there. 
If we blame him for what's going on with the team now, then we have to give him props for what he did with the team back then. 
Also, we keep forgetting that....this is NOT all on Norv Turner. You can't keep taking weapons away but expect him to somehow still be as successful. That's ridiculous. 
AJ and others should be blamed just as much for this mess!
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:44 PM

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Who asked you Mr trash talk
RaZeRbLaDeS wrote:
kiwibolt wrote: no but im not gonna just sit here and watch Norv get blamed for Al Qaeda and the Palestine War too


SDChargers85fan wrote:
kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

....
So,is your point...that...Norv should receive a lifetime contract?

oh jeez drama queen.


Take a breath.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:00 PM

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Good point, but having Turner as the head coach doesn't make matters any easier. The guy just isn't a head coach.

When I see him compared to the likes of Mike McCarthy, Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Mike Tomlin, Sean Payton; it's like day and night. I don't care what he did for the Chargers in 07 or in 08, he still failed and he's been making each season progressively worse as each year passes.

If you've watched any of his post-game interviews, the guy looks SCARED. Just the way he talks to the media, the tone of his voice, he looks frightened and speechless. That should say enough already.

Marty may have failed too but he at least got the best out of all of his players and they NEVER regressed. His teams always looked prepared, hungry, in sync, and ready to punish opposing teams. They were PHYSICAL teams. He IMHO made the Chargers relevant again. They were a feared team that was on track to do amazing things for years to come.

Now? They are an absolute joke. It's sickening, embarrassing, humiliating, and disturbing to watch this team play, knowing what's already about to happen.

Enough is enough already. Turner must go. Him and AJ both must go. They destroyed and ran this team into the ground. At least you can agree with me on that part I would hope. Should've happened a long time ago but better late than never I guess.

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LightEmUp1 wrote: Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.


What do you mean it wasn't his team? We have got to be fair here....he was the coach, his mindset is what got the team there. 
If we blame him for what's going on with the team now, then we have to give him props for what he did with the team back then. 
Also, we keep forgetting that....this is NOT all on Norv Turner. You can't keep taking weapons away but expect him to somehow still be as successful. That's ridiculous. 
AJ and others should be blamed just as much for this mess!

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Posted: 11/29/2012 2:53 AM

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kiwibolt wrote: no but im not gonna just sit here and watch Norv get blamed for Al Qaeda and the Palestine War too


SDChargers85fan wrote:
kiwibolt wrote: seems to be consistent with what goes on here..BUT

Raiders havent been to the playoffs since before Norv was their coach

AND Raiders broke season record for penalties last year without Norv as their coach

....
So,is your point...that...Norv should receive a lifetime contract?
Throw in our major economic problem here in the USA.  It started when Norv was hired to coach the Chargers. thumbup.gif
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Posted: 11/29/2012 7:29 AM

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Al Davis fired him with one year left in his contract. I GUARANTEE YOU that if Norv had one more year on his contract now, Dean still wouldn't fire him. That is why A.J. will be retained.



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Posted: 11/29/2012 7:45 AM

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I agree, it wasn't his team yet. Let me remind you also that 2006 was Rivers 1st year as a starter and Marty brought them to a 14-2 record. Yes they lost but whose to say he couldn't have brought them to the AFC championship game in Rivers 2nd year as a starter? Marty started with $hit and built a winner. When they were starting to click he got the ax.

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why whose team was it in 2007? and what does it say that Norv took them even further than Marty did

LightEmUp1 wrote: Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.




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Posted: 11/29/2012 8:21 AM

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I agree, it wasn't his team yet. Let me remind you also that 2006 was Rivers 1st year as a starter and Marty brought them to a 14-2 record. Yes they lost but whose to say he couldn't have brought them to the AFC championship game in Rivers 2nd year as a starter? Marty started with $hit and built a winner. When they were starting to click he got the ax.

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--- kiwibolt wrote:

why whose team was it in 2007? and what does it say that Norv took them even further than Marty did

LightEmUp1 wrote: Wasnt his team yet. Was it?


kiwibolt wrote: i dont get how the 2007 team had a mindset of a 4-12 team when he took them one step short of the Superbowl that year


LightEmUp1 wrote:

He took a 14-2 team and tuned them into the exact same mindset of a 4-12 Raider team.




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