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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:36 AM

Too early to start MOCKING? 


Just trying to stay positive...

So I'm looking at the state of our team and trying to figure out which prospects could help.  Obviously we have a major need on the O-line, and in the pass defense department.  I think that our problem in the secondary is linked with THREE problems.

1.  Our pass rush stinks and we don't get enough pressure on the QB.
2.  We still don't have an answer at Strong Safety, and that leaves our Corners exposed a bit more often.
3.  Wright's injury really hurt us.  Cason needs replacing, and Gilchrist isn't up to the OUTSIDE role.  Gilchrist should be our future NICKEL, not CORNER.  IMO Wright will have a good back-side season if his foot is right, and next year I think a starting position is his to lose.  Jammer is getting older but he's still good.

On the O-line:
1.  OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT....  Gaither is lazy and Clary stinks as usual.  IMO OT is by far the biggest need on the team.  Addressing OT in the draft will also help RIVERS settle down, go through progressions, and hit guys like Brown, Mathews, and LaDarius Green (all young players that will be our future).
2.  Improved depth at OG/OC.

So here's my first three round mock (version 1 of many...):

Round 1:  OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
Round 2:  OT Dallas Thomas, Tennessee
Round 3:  OLB Brandon Jenkins, Fl. State

We need to book end our line, and let Jarrett Johnson walk.  He hasn't been working out for us.  If I hear about him "setting the edge" one more time.....  You know how easy it is to set an edge?  Easiest assignment as a linebacker.....  English can even set the edge, and force runningbacks inside...  Not that hard.

Yeah we need secondary, but we need O-line bookends more, and I see CB picks later than the second round as very risky.  I'd rather address our secondary in the FREE AGENCY with proven winners, with at least 3 years NFL experience.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:14 PM

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Not to early at all with this team, my thoughts on your mock...
Like the Taylor Lewan pick.
Dallas Thomas is actually playing LG this year and his stock has risen because of it. He's not a bad pick if we move to a more zone running offense next year.
Like the Jenkins pick. Can see this guy being a lot like Justin Houston.
CB is going to be a disaster because Cason and Jammer are likely gone.


I'm conflicted about going OT in the 1st round because there is nothing to do with Jared Gaither. He was a terrible RT, he's too expensive to cut, nobody will take him in a trade, and if we go for a LT prospect like Lewan we'll have to bench a guy making roughly $7M a year....and if he's healthy we have to plug a top 10 pick in at RT which never lasts long.  I don't think Lewan will be happy going in the top 10 to play RT, where he will make much less money over his career.

I don't know the solution, maybe it'd be better to deal the pick and try to get Matthews or Fisher later in the 1st.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 12:28 PM

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Interesting that Dallas Thomas moved inside.  I didn't catch that, and I'm a bit surprised since I think he's got quick feet and has more of a body type of an OT.  Not sure of his arm length and maybe that's a reason he moved inside.  I'll look into it.

In any case, I think for the first time as a Chargers fan, we should double up on OT's in the first and second rounds.

Yes Gaither is expensive, but IMO if we go OT in round one and two, we can start Gaither if healthy...  at OT, and start the first rounder on the other side.  Have the second rounder groom at both RT and LT and back up both sides.

I'm tired of HOPING Gaither can play. 

I want HUNGRY PLAYERS, and Gaither is the opposite.

Man I miss Dielman.....
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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:05 PM

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It is never to early to mock IMO even if the team is doing well. I agree that Gaither will be too expensive to bench. My mock is going to look alittle different considering that and free agency. I would like if they brought in a vet at RT so we don't have to use the 1st two picks with OT. I am willing to give Gaither another year(because they owe him so much money) and bring in a vet as a backup and draft another backup in the 4th. So this is what my mock will look like. I think they should move Mike Harris into G and back up Vasquez.

FA- RT Phil Loadholt, CB DRC, OLB/DE Connor Barwin, CB AJ Jefferson

1st. ILB Manti Teo- If he is there, IMO you can not pass on this kid.
2nd. OG Larry Warford- Big athletic G that dominates the competition he faces at Kentucky. Warford and Troutman will battle for the LG position
3rd. RB Le'Veon Bell- A big back that would compliment RM very well and he can catch.
4th. OT Ricky Wagner- He has played both LT and RT in his college career.
5th. DE/DT Margus Hunt- An athletic freak that needs more experience. He would develope nicely behind Liuget and Reyes.
6th. K Dustin Hopkins- Hopkins has a big leg and Novak needs some competition.
7th. QB Tino Sunseri- I know a few of you guys like Sunseri so I was a bit suprised that he is projected to go undrafted in a couple sites that I have visited. If that is so I think taking him in the 7th is worth a shot if he is indeed there.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 5:19 PM

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I've been saying that for over 3 years. At this point, I will believe it when I see it.

I was so freakin' peeved off when it became clear that we were going into this season with Clary at RT, yet again, and an injury prone LT, with no legit depth between either one of them.
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On the O-line:
1.  OT OT OT OT OT OT OT OT....  
Two words: Offensive Line!
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:32 PM

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Call me crazy, but I believe we should continue to build the defense. If Teo is there, we should take him. Spikes is getting too dam old. Butler and Teo would be a great combo. I'm hoping for a FA Left Tackle.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:47 PM

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It's difficult to mock when we don't know who San Diego's general manager will be by the time the 2013 NFL Draft kicks off. Assuming A.J. Smith is still making the calls, we can expect a cornerback in the first round (Quentin Jammer and Antoine Cason are free agents), an offensive tackle in the sixth round (just because) and a whole bunch of special teams filler in the middle.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:58 PM

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We also need a corner. Jammer is just about done.



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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:25 PM

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bolt4life wrote: Call me crazy, but I believe we should continue to build the defense. If Teo is there, we should take him. Spikes is getting too dam old. Butler and Teo would be a great combo. I'm hoping for a FA Left Tackle.


There are 4 cornerstone positions in the NFL in which I believe you should spend 1st round picks on, in order they are...QB, LT, OLB/DE (pass rushers), and CB, * and NTs for 3-4 teams.  These positions are prime real estate, the guys who get 60-80-100+ million dollar contracts in free agency because of how hard they are to find and how important they are.  

The only one of which we are set at is QB, and even that is touchy at the moment.

In our situation Teo would be a crazy luxury pick. It would be fun to put him next to Butler, but not practical.  We need guys who get to the QB, and guys who can cover somebody as Jammer and Cason are both likely gone, and Gilchrist just sucks.  Not to mention some guys who can keep PR upright.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:43 PM

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Never too early for mock drafts.

I've started looking at some draft stuff even though we are in the thick of the playoff race.

- I don't think Thompson will make it to the 3rd.
- I'd hate to see yall get Te'o but OLB and OT are bigger needs for SD imo unless Gaither got healthy. Hopefully SD can win 3-4 more games and not be in Te'o range, special, special player.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 8:39 AM

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not to early to stat scouting, alot of work to do from now till draft. i expect a new regiem so im not thinking just plug a hole or two, rather someone i can build a team around. Tackle is a great need but none of them wow me as top ten pick, same as Cornerback. im leaning towards TEO or Hankins(NT). or tradeing back to aquire more picks. TEO has more ints than most cornerbacks he would greatly help in getting of the field on 3rd down imho as great of a weekness as our o line. we have alot of holes to fill.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 4:43 PM

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As it stands right now I would probably use our first 2 and possibly our first 3 picks on the OL. The X-Factor for me is Troutman. If he is ready to step in and push Green back to the bench then I just grab two OTs, if not I grab a OG as well. Something like this would look good to me.

1. One of these three Joeckel/Lewan/Matthews
2. Oday Aboushi
3. Travis Frederick

Then I would try to get a couple CBs in free agency. Maybe try something like sign Derek Cox and try to bring Nnamdi back to Cali after the Eagles cut him.

I will say though that there is also a part of me that wouldn't mind seeing us make a move to get Star Lotulelei or Jarvis Jones and if Joeckel was gone but Damontre Moore or Te'o were still around I would at least have to think about taking them. 

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Posted: 11/24/2012 5:11 PM

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syxwunine wrote:
bolt4life wrote: Call me crazy, but I believe we should continue to build the defense. If Teo is there, we should take him. Spikes is getting too dam old. Butler and Teo would be a great combo. I'm hoping for a FA Left Tackle.


There are 4 cornerstone positions in the NFL in which I believe you should spend 1st round picks on, in order they are...QB, LT, OLB/DE (pass rushers), and CB, * and NTs for 3-4 teams.  These positions are prime real estate, the guys who get 60-80-100+ million dollar contracts in free agency because of how hard they are to find and how important they are.  

The only one of which we are set at is QB, and even that is touchy at the moment.

In our situation Teo would be a crazy luxury pick. It would be fun to put him next to Butler, but not practical.  We need guys who get to the QB, and guys who can cover somebody as Jammer and Cason are both likely gone, and Gilchrist just sucks.  Not to mention some guys who can keep PR upright.

Good analysis. We need the Oline and CB's first and the DLine next. Four impact guys in the draft, similar to Ingram and Reyes. Trade picks in the fifth, sixth, and seventh round to move up a bit in the fifth for BPA.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:26 PM

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I like your first four picks, but I would have to know what corners were on the board when we took a RB in round 3.
BoltinLoudGuy wrote: It is never to early to mock IMO even if the team is doing well. I agree that Gaither will be too expensive to bench. My mock is going to look alittle different considering that and free agency. I would like if they brought in a vet at RT so we don't have to use the 1st two picks with OT. I am willing to give Gaither another year(because they owe him so much money) and bring in a vet as a backup and draft another backup in the 4th. So this is what my mock will look like. I think they should move Mike Harris into G and back up Vasquez.

FA- RT Phil Loadholt, CB DRC, OLB/DE Connor Barwin, CB AJ Jefferson

1st. ILB Manti Teo- If he is there, IMO you can not pass on this kid.
2nd. OG Larry Warford- Big athletic G that dominates the competition he faces at Kentucky. Warford and Troutman will battle for the LG position
3rd. RB Le'Veon Bell- A big back that would compliment RM very well and he can catch.
4th. OT Ricky Wagner- He has played both LT and RT in his college career.
5th. DE/DT Margus Hunt- An athletic freak that needs more experience. He would develope nicely behind Liuget and Reyes.
6th. K Dustin Hopkins- Hopkins has a big leg and Novak needs some competition.
7th. QB Tino Sunseri- I know a few of you guys like Sunseri so I was a bit suprised that he is projected to go undrafted in a couple sites that I have visited. If that is so I think taking him in the 7th is worth a shot if he is indeed there.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:51 PM

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If they were able to bring in DRC and Jefferson through free agency and we have Wright and Gilchrist I feel as though that would be pretty good depth at the CB position. You give that a go for next year and if they need to draft a corner they can do it in the 1st rd in 2014. I really believe that Wright will lock down one side next year. Bell is a back that has exceptional hands for a guy his size at 6'2" 245 lbs, with alot of power.
SoCalThrilla wrote: I like your first four picks, but I would have to know what corners were on the board when we took a RB in round 3.
BoltinLoudGuy wrote: It is never to early to mock IMO even if the team is doing well. I agree that Gaither will be too expensive to bench. My mock is going to look alittle different considering that and free agency. I would like if they brought in a vet at RT so we don't have to use the 1st two picks with OT. I am willing to give Gaither another year(because they owe him so much money) and bring in a vet as a backup and draft another backup in the 4th. So this is what my mock will look like. I think they should move Mike Harris into G and back up Vasquez.

FA- RT Phil Loadholt, CB DRC, OLB/DE Connor Barwin, CB AJ Jefferson

1st. ILB Manti Teo- If he is there, IMO you can not pass on this kid.
2nd. OG Larry Warford- Big athletic G that dominates the competition he faces at Kentucky. Warford and Troutman will battle for the LG position
3rd. RB Le'Veon Bell- A big back that would compliment RM very well and he can catch.
4th. OT Ricky Wagner- He has played both LT and RT in his college career.
5th. DE/DT Margus Hunt- An athletic freak that needs more experience. He would develope nicely behind Liuget and Reyes.
6th. K Dustin Hopkins- Hopkins has a big leg and Novak needs some competition.
7th. QB Tino Sunseri- I know a few of you guys like Sunseri so I was a bit suprised that he is projected to go undrafted in a couple sites that I have visited. If that is so I think taking him in the 7th is worth a shot if he is indeed there.
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Posted: 11/24/2012 7:16 PM

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Never too early with a team coached by Norval.

RD 1. Jake Matthews OT. TX AM
RD 2. Barrett Jones OG Alabama
RD 3. Shayne Skov ILB. Stanford
RD 4. Leon McFadden CB. San Diego State
RD 5. Jonathan Franklin RB. UCLA
RD 6. Dustin Hopkins K Florida State
RD 7. BPA

This team needs toughness and i think the new decision-makers would do best to focus on those traits within first three rounds.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 6:26 AM

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I agree with Dallas...Toughness, toughness, toughness!  Until this team gets it, they aren't going anywhere. That said, I love the draft, and it's never too early IMO, but, in this case, it depends on who the next HC is, because, if it's someone like Reid, Gruden, or even hot name Gus Bradley, they may change the base D to a 4-3.  If it's David Shaw, Vic Fangio, Russ Grimm, or some such name, they may keep the 3-4.  So, it does change the way a team attacks the draft.  And, for this team, IMO, because Rivers and Gates are the centers of the offense and are a little older, they should add FA's on offense, a LT would be great.  Supposedly, Jake Long may be to expensive to franchise, or so the rumor mill is spinning.  He'd be good, Brandon Albert wouldn't be a bad addition either.  Andy Levitre should be signed to play LG, never missed a start, and of course, Phil Loadholt should be given a huge deal if exposed to FA (also never missed a start).

So, my 3-4 mock, and I think they end up picking somewhere between 7-10
1- Manti Te'o  (ILB)
2- Chase Thomas (OLB)
3- Morgan Moses (RT)
4- Rex Burkhead/Knile Davis/ Montee Ball (Burkhead is a tough, non-stop, character guy)
5- Nigel Malone (CB)
6- Dustin Hopkins (K)
7- Roy Roundtree (WR)  Kinda slight, but fast and good hands

My 4-3 mock
1- Bjoern Werner (DE)
2- Justin Pugh (LT)
3- Sean Porter (OLB)
4- Travis Howard/ Micah Hyde/ Tharold Simon (CB)
5- Rex Burkhead/ Johnathan Franklin (RB)
6- Dustin Hopkins (K)
7- Roy Roundtree (WR)  Kinda slight, but fast and good hands

Keep in mind, they should end up with a comp. pick or two, so, there could be a couple extra late rounders thrown in.  Also, in either case, I wouldn't be opposed to moving back in the first round and picking up an extra 2 or 3, and if that were to happen, then my first pick would be Chance Warmack, even if they did sign Levitre. Warmack can play RG and then, well, thanks for coming Vasquez, and, an extra comp. pick could be coming in '14 for him.  In fact, if Phillips, Jammer, Cason, Spikes, Vasquez, Martin, maybe even Green leave, they could end up with several comp. picks if they replace a few of those guys with A, what they already have, or B, picks in this upcoming draft.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:51 AM

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Oops, didn't see your mock FA.  Yeah, sign me up for that.
BoltinLoudGuy wrote: If they were able to bring in DRC and Jefferson through free agency and we have Wright and Gilchrist I feel as though that would be pretty good depth at the CB position. You give that a go for next year and if they need to draft a corner they can do it in the 1st rd in 2014. I really believe that Wright will lock down one side next year. Bell is a back that has exceptional hands for a guy his size at 6'2" 245 lbs, with alot of power.
SoCalThrilla wrote: I like your first four picks, but I would have to know what corners were on the board when we took a RB in round 3.
BoltinLoudGuy wrote: It is never to early to mock IMO even if the team is doing well. I agree that Gaither will be too expensive to bench. My mock is going to look alittle different considering that and free agency. I would like if they brought in a vet at RT so we don't have to use the 1st two picks with OT. I am willing to give Gaither another year(because they owe him so much money) and bring in a vet as a backup and draft another backup in the 4th. So this is what my mock will look like. I think they should move Mike Harris into G and back up Vasquez.

FA- RT Phil Loadholt, CB DRC, OLB/DE Connor Barwin, CB AJ Jefferson

1st. ILB Manti Teo- If he is there, IMO you can not pass on this kid.
2nd. OG Larry Warford- Big athletic G that dominates the competition he faces at Kentucky. Warford and Troutman will battle for the LG position
3rd. RB Le'Veon Bell- A big back that would compliment RM very well and he can catch.
4th. OT Ricky Wagner- He has played both LT and RT in his college career.
5th. DE/DT Margus Hunt- An athletic freak that needs more experience. He would develope nicely behind Liuget and Reyes.
6th. K Dustin Hopkins- Hopkins has a big leg and Novak needs some competition.
7th. QB Tino Sunseri- I know a few of you guys like Sunseri so I was a bit suprised that he is projected to go undrafted in a couple sites that I have visited. If that is so I think taking him in the 7th is worth a shot if he is indeed there.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:03 AM

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Free agency: Sign William Beatty, Andy Levetre and Phil Loadholt for the offensive line. Sign cornerback Bradley Fletcher from the Rams.

This is my mock based on thinking we will finish 4-12.

1. Jarvis Jones
2. Oregon State cornerback Jordan Poyer
3. USC cornerback Nickoe Whitley
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Posted: 11/25/2012 12:14 PM

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TreWells wrote: We also need a corner. Jammer is just about done.
Agreed, but IMO we should NOT draft one.  We have two young guys with promise, especially Wright, and I think that we should spend in the FREE AGENCY on a proven, lock down #1 corner.

Spend a first and a second on that O-line.
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