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Can anyone think of a reason to keep Norv beyond the flight home
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:41 PM
Can anyone think of a reason to keep Norv beyond the flight home
Bueller?
PR has clearly tuned him out from a coaching standpoint as he continues to make horrible decisions near the goal line.
I would love to hear the team defend the notion that they haven't quit on him in general. Let's see what Coach B does in a 7-game interview for the HC job.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 1:56 PM
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Dean preach continuity. What if he does the same thing at the end of the season?
Still the biggest Charger fan in the ATL
 
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:38 PM
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Spanos already pre-paid for Norvs airport parking, otherwise NO!
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Posted: 11/11/2012 2:57 PM
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Nope. And here's to the Lord of the No Rings following him out the door, ensuring that the door doesn't hit him in the ass. 
"What rough beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:11 PM
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Its not unbelievable that we've gotten steadily worse every single year.
You take out that aberration 13-3 season where we were the worst running team in the league and one of the worst defenses, and we've been pretty consistant under Norv Turner.
Derek Cox - "Being a champion is realizing that, everything matters."
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:29 PM
RE: Can anyone think of a reason to keep Norv beyond the flight
The only reason I can think of is neither Spanos nor AJ have a sense of urgency about improving this team.
CHUCKIE, come to San Diego, the finest city in America, and lead us to the Super Bowl! If you then become an intolerable bully, I'll be okay with that.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:30 PM
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Spanos will have no choice. He wants a new stadium....he wants to keep his season ticket holders....He needs to make a splash. I expect a big name coach and GM......if not, Spanos is officially the worst owner in the NFL.
BTW....All this talk about moving to LA...Do honestly think LA wants the Chargers? The Raiders failed there twice!!! With all those Raider fans there.
Last edited 11/11/2012 3:45 PM by Chargerhonk
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Posted: 11/11/2012 3:44 PM
RE: Can anyone think of a reason to keep Norv beyond the flight
Chargerhonk wrote: Spanos will have no choice. He wants a new stadium....he wants to keep his season ticket holders....He needs to make a splash. I expect a big name coach and GM......if not, Spanos is officially the worst owner in the NFL. He already is by letting his employees talk him into keeping their failure of a manager. And if that wasn't the reason, it was fear of not being able to find someone better than Norv. Thats just not how you run a business. I am speechless that we set fire to a 6th season by keeping Norv Turner.
As far as firing AJ...we already know who the replacement will be, so I don't really care about that as long as he's not allowed to hire coaches anymore.
Derek Cox - "Being a champion is realizing that, everything matters."
Last edited 11/11/2012 3:46 PM by syxwunine
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:35 PM
RE: Can anyone think of a reason to keep Norv beyond the flight
I honestly think there were two reasons why Spanos kept Norv and AJ this year.
1.) PR went to him and told him he wanted Norv back. Bet PR is kicking himself on that one now.
2.) All of Norv's coaching staff got one-year extensions before last year and DeanO didn't want to shell out all that $$$ to them as a new coach likely wouldn't keep many, if any of them.
He won't have either of those problems this year.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:50 PM
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Plus Dean couldn't find anyone (qualified) at that point who wanted to coach the Chargers, especially under AJ "The Lord Of No Rings" Smith.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:03 PM
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I have heard the main reason they dont fire Norv is because they cant find anyone to call the plays after he is gone. Not saying I agree with keeping him around for such a stupid reason but that is what I have heard.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:06 PM
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They wont fire him until the end of the season or at least they are mathematically eliminated.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:33 PM
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you serious? in all of the USA they wont be able to find anyone who can call Offensive plays? toddhoopster wrote: I have heard the main reason they dont fire Norv is because they cant find anyone to call the plays after he is gone. Not saying I agree with keeping him around for such a stupid reason but that is what I have heard.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:39 PM
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slammer8 wrote: They wont fire him until the end of the season or at least they are mathematically eliminated. At this point, I hope they do keep Norv the entire season, IMO it guarantees the new HC a top ten pick to start building with.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:16 PM
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LA doesn't seem like a "Raider town" to me. Mind you, I only visited there once. IMO the Chargers would be a better fit in LA than the Raiders ever were. That said, personally I hope the Chargers either stay in SD, or get moved to Toronto.  Chargerhonk wrote: Spanos will have no choice. He wants a new stadium....he wants to keep his season ticket holders....He needs to make a splash. I expect a big name coach and GM......if not, Spanos is officially the worst owner in the NFL.
BTW....All this talk about moving to LA...Do honestly think LA wants the Chargers? The Raiders failed there twice!!! With all those Raider fans there.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 9:30 PM
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Living in Upstate New York, the trip to Toronto is about 5 hours for me, but hey, it's a bit easier then cross country and I HAVE made it out to a half dozen Bills games (awesome tail gates btw), so I'm on board!  yantha wrote: LA doesn't seem like a "Raider town" to me. Mind you, I only visited there once.
IMO the Chargers would be a better fit in LA than the Raiders ever were.
That said, personally I hope the Chargers either stay in SD, or get moved to Toronto.
Chargerhonk wrote: Spanos will have no choice. He wants a new stadium....he wants to keep his season ticket holders....He needs to make a splash. I expect a big name coach and GM......if not, Spanos is officially the worst owner in the NFL.
BTW....All this talk about moving to LA...Do honestly think LA wants the Chargers? The Raiders failed there twice!!! With all those Raider fans there.
Just call me the Jeromey Clary of Bookkeepers.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 10:15 PM
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The right time to make wholesale changes was last offseason. Unfortunately Deano was not prepared to make changes across the board.
Despite what Mr. Spanos said publicly, he made overtures to friends around the league seeking advice. Coaching candidates either:
A)Weren't interested in working under the AJ/Spanos team B)Had other reasons over why they should pass
Deano was not prepared to make a fundamental switch in team direction and philosophy because he had no plan in place and no viable candidates to provide direction.
So he rolled the dice, and it's working out like a dieter in a donut shop.
This year was different though. He had an offseason to put basic contingencies into play, send out feelers to prospective candidates, and rub some elbows.
Ideally speaking, Deano would give the keys to the assistant General Manager of the Baltimore Ravens, Eric DiCosta. I'm not going to give you his resume, no copying do your own homework!
But maybe, mayyybe Eric DiCosta won't like the uncertainty of the stadium issues, or the nepotism of all the Spanoi in key positions throughout the Chargers organization.
So it's entirely possible that best potential GM candidate passes, and we get stuck with option D or even F instead. We can hope that doesn't happen, but it could.
It would take the perfect situation to pull a Jon Gruden out of the booth with the coin he's making. I don't know what Deano would have to pay or give up to get Jon to buy in, but if I were him I know I'd pass. You love your job, make tons of money, and can wait for the perfect situation if you have that itch to get back into coaching. This sure ain't it.
Our best shot is getting Eric DiCosta as General Manager, then building a Baltimore Ravens style philosophy of toughness and accountability. That type of transformation takes a while, unless the perfect storm occurs.
Does anyone trust Deano to pull all the right strings? I know I don't.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 12:01 AM
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charger1joe wrote:The right time to make wholesale changes was last offseason. Unfortunately Deano was not prepared to make changes across the board.
Despite what Mr. Spanos said publicly, he made overtures to friends around the league seeking advice. Coaching candidates either:
A)Weren't interested in working under the AJ/Spanos team B)Had other reasons over why they should pass
Deano was not prepared to make a fundamental switch in team direction and philosophy because he had no plan in place and no viable candidates to provide direction.
So he rolled the dice, and it's working out like a dieter in a donut shop.
This year was different though. He had an offseason to put basic contingencies into play, send out feelers to prospective candidates, and rub some elbows.
Ideally speaking, Deano would give the keys to the assistant General Manager of the Baltimore Ravens, Eric DiCosta. I'm not going to give you his resume, no copying do your own homework!
But maybe, mayyybe Eric DiCosta won't like the uncertainty of the stadium issues, or the nepotism of all the Spanoi in key positions throughout the Chargers organization.
So it's entirely possible that best potential GM candidate passes, and we get stuck with option D or even F instead. We can hope that doesn't happen, but it could.
It would take the perfect situation to pull a Jon Gruden out of the booth with the coin he's making. I don't know what Deano would have to pay or give up to get Jon to buy in, but if I were him I know I'd pass. You love your job, make tons of money, and can wait for the perfect situation if you have that itch to get back into coaching. This sure ain't it.
Our best shot is getting Eric DiCosta as General Manager, then building a Baltimore Ravens style philosophy of toughness and accountability. That type of transformation takes a while, unless the perfect storm occurs.
Does anyone trust Deano to pull all the right strings? I know I don't. The next GM of this team is already known.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. As for the coach Deano needs to pull his head out of his ass and start doing back alley interviews behind Charger park this week. Call Vic Fangio, Jay Gruden, Jon Gruden, Bill Cowher, Bruce Arians, Brady Hoke (my personal favorite), call John F'n Madden for all I care but don't get caught flat footed again. Even a rumor about Chip Kelley (who I'm extremely skeptical about) would make me happy at this point.
Derek Cox - "Being a champion is realizing that, everything matters."
Last edited 11/12/2012 12:02 AM by syxwunine
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Posted: 11/12/2012 6:50 AM
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Although I promised myself I would not post on the "fire Norv now" threads because it has all been said, while we are not "mathematically" eliminated, I see 0 chance of us making the playoffs.
But that is not what caught my eye here. I know I will be in a very small minority, but Coach B? We had a punt blocked and came close again and I don't remember seeing a delay penalty on a FG try before. Although it didn't really cost us, that is a major mistake, for which the cause comes back to the ST coach. So, bring Asst. Head Coach B, in until Andy Reid is available, but while many will give him a free pass, there are questions. For an interim HC, I would look at people like Charie Joiner, John Pagano, and Hal Hunter.
Last edited 11/12/2012 7:10 AM by WesChandler
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Posted: 11/12/2012 7:08 AM
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For yet another outsider,non-Charger fan's perspective of this team, check this quote from Charlie Campbell of walterfootball.com:
"The Chargers may be the most finesse team in the NFL. They play with zero physicality, attitude and tenacity. On both sides of the ball, their lines struggle to control the line of scrimmage and they lack any players who are physically dominant. Once again, their self-distructive ways cost them a game that could have been a win."
For those who wonder why we dislike to loathe Norv as a HC, there 'tis! A new HC, unless another Bum, or son of Bum, was brought in, would likely change this, and, players who don't care, will be released PERIOD. It all starts with the HC, do we over-value the role of HC, maybe, but, how many "bad" HC's win Super Bowls? At some point, the coach, and his system, will make or break a team, regardless of talent.
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