hahaha you guys are going to be feeling sick for the next decade!

You may think it is all good at the moment with your record, but it is all the D and Marshal and the Oline.

Orton will start losing you games soon and you will be wondering how great ur team could have been with Cutler.

what did you even get with our pick?? Ayers??? lol what has he done???

We got 2 1st round talents in Know and Alava anyway so 1st rounders don't matter.

Thanks again, just remember it may seem ok now - but just wait!

Sounds like another bitter Bears fan.  Bitter they paid so much for an interception throwing, head hanging, sideline moper with a strong arm and an equally bad attitude.

What did we get??? A SMART QB that makes GOOD decisions, who doesn't make turnovers.  Oh and a 6-0 record.  

IF Cutler is the centerpiece of your O and Orton is just a game manager for us then why don't you go and look at their numbers through the first 7 weeks.

Look I'll even put them here for you since you seem to be intellectually challenged.  Now let's look at them together shall we?? Hmmm Cutler (the center piece) has 136 completions, 1452 yards, 11 TDs, while Orton (the bystanding game manager) has 124 completions, 1465 yards and 9 TDs.  Hey wait, those numbers look pretty similar don't they?  But how can that be when Cutler is the CENTERPIECE of the Bears offense while Orton is just a noodle armed game  manager?????  Hmmm guess your interpretation isn't quite accurate is it???

Oh let's look at the numbers again, because hey I do see one big difference.  Mr. Franchise QB (aka the Centerpiece) has 10 Ints while Orton only 1 (and a weak one at that).

Wow you are ignorant.  Why can't you just go on with your own pitiful life and your own pitiful team instead of coming over here and looking like a complete reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetard!

Your absolutely welcome for the INT King of the NFC.

Yea, I'd sure feel better about 3-3 than about 6-0.

And they are talking smack after the beat down Cinci gave them?

We beat Cinci!

Damn Orton! Damn him to heck.

RaZeRbLaDeS wrote:

Your absolutely welcome for the INT King of the NFC.

 

 

Delhomme plays for the Panthers

When your only saving grace is "at least he doesn't have as many INTs as Jake Delhomme!", it might be time to re-evaluate some things.

Shanahan's legacy was that he ran a system where he could put practically anybody in at running back, and wind up with a 1,000 yard man most every year.

It is starting to look as if McD's system is one that takes the right QB and makes him an effective QB. He doesn't need, nor want a franchise QB, that is incapable of working within his system.

To me , it is not a question of who is the better QB, but rather who is a better QB for the system. Orton is the better QB for the McD system, not Cry Baby. Conversely, Cutler is going to struggle in the Bear's system, for all the reasons that McD did not want him for his system.

So far, the results are bearing out that Josh knew what he was doing, in the Orton for Cry Baby exchange.

Thanks to the Chicago flamer for allowing me the entree to state the obvious.

Who gave the Bears troll laced kool aid?

Yeah I'm sure Orton didn't do anything but lead the Broncos back from 10-0 and 17-7 defecits against New England in Week 5.

He had a 90 yard drive then led a TD drive from his own 2 yard lane to help win 20-17.

And he outperformed Tom Brady that day throwing for 330 yards and 2 TDs.

Cutler ranks second in the NFL in INTs and leads the NFL in Red zone INTS.

bears238 wrote: its ur D that has got that record. Orton doesn't do anything!

Cutler is the centerpiece for ours and in time it will show dividends.

I am just annoyed that u guys act like you got a better deal.....time will tell i am just getting in early

Bears238

For awhile, I could not post to the board.     Then, I used a different browser and that solved the problem.     Thanks to the mods who helped me get back on board!!  

I want to respond to this absurd post.      I do not look at the Cutler trade in isolation.    If I were given foreknowledge into the future and told earlier this year that the Broncos could have a coach who would take a bunch of castoffs from other teams and turn them into the #1 rated defense in the entire league, a defense that could shut teams down in the second half,  a castoff quarterback with a 100 QB rating, and an offense that is consistent, doesn't turn over the ball, and wins games for us,  and a team that was exciting to watch and would become one of the highest ranked teams in the NFL because we would jump out to a 6-0 start, I would SALIVATING over such an opportunity.    I would beg Bowlen on bended knee to hire such a coach.       

Then, if I were told that part of the package deal was that Shanny had to go of course and Cutler would no longer be part of this team.      I would say, "OK, if that's part of the package deal, I am still ready because that is way better than having Shanny, Bates, Slowik, and a happy Jay Cutler."       I say this as a fan that liked to watch Cutler.      You see, individual players are one play away from a season ending or even a career ending injury every time they play.      Jay's diabetes also worried me.      You are making a brash prediction to think he will be around for ten years dude, especially given how porous is your offensive line.      To know that we could have a coach that could work such a turnaround would be well worth losing Cutler, no matter how talented he is.      To me, it doesn't  really even matter WHO we get in return for Cutler.      It's irrelevant.    Just that information alone would make the decision EASY for me.     This really would be  NO BRAINER decision.

Yet, I would feel sad (if that is the only information that I had at that point) that we would have to inform poor loyal Jay that he would have to be a sacrificial lamb for the good of the team.     So, let's say I went to him to break the sad news, thinking he would be heartbroken.    Then, as I was telling him, I heard him yelp with glee, tell me that Denver sucks, and he wanted out of Dodge so badly he could taste it.      Now, what was already a no brainer decision would because a REALLY EASY, SUPER DOOPER NO BRAINER decision. 

Mr Bears fan, I would dare say that if you could have such a coach to turn your team around and knew that you would have to lose Cutler and Lovie Smith as part of the bargain, you would throw them under the bus in a  New York minute.       I'll bet there is not a single Broncos fan on this board that would disagree that we would take McD and what he has brought to Denver even with the "cost" of losing Cutler.      Is there any Denver fan out there that loved Cutler so much you would rather go back to the old team we had than have what we have now?     If so, please so inform me.   

So hey man, don't try to convince us we got screwed.      Your argument is just plain idiotic.      Denver  is in MUCH better shape.     We KNOW that.    On the other hand,  we DON'T KNOW  if the outcome for Chicago will be good.      If Cutler goes down (and I really hope that doesn't happen), you have lost three draft picks, a good QB,  and $20 million guaranteed.     You have a lot riding on one diabetic kid.     I wish you the best, but please don't come over here and spew nonsense.       

Idiot.

bears238 wrote:

hahaha you guys are going to be feeling sick for the next decade!

 

You may think it is all good at the moment with your record, but it is all the D and Marshal and the Oline.

 

Orton will start losing you games soon and you will be wondering how great ur team could have been with Cutler.

 

 

what did you even get with our pick?? Ayers??? lol what has he done???

 

We got 2 1st round talents in Know and Alava anyway so 1st rounders don't matter.

 

 

Thanks again, just remember it may seem ok now - but just wait!

Orton is fine, he is what he is.  He does not pass the ball down field, he would rather not make a mistake than try for a great play but that is ok.  If the Broncos are going to continue to win and go far in the play-offs then they need the entire Broncos team to do well.

The Bears only need Cutler to do well to win games.  Both teams are rebuilding from last year, the Broncos have more pieces the Bears really only have Cutler.

If you put Cutler back on the Broncos, does he win this game?  Probably not, but he would have had a better chance....but, he might have lost some of the other games Orton won.  It's not better or worse for the Broncos, just different.  They have to win games the way the Bears are used to winning games, defense and special teams and just enough offense to hold on.

Put Orton back on the Bears and you have a one win team, yes they are pretty bad.  I am happy with Cutler, would love to have Orton as a back-up and I think the Broncos are or will realize what took the Bears a few years to figure out.  You can only go so far with a game manager IF your defense is shaky.

How many times is he going to call for a flag each time he gets tackled.  It's getting bad.

Allow me to summarize:

Cutler has a bad game (and he's had 2 so far by my count) and the Bears lose...it is the fault of:

a) the defense

b) the running game

c) the offensive line

d) his crappy receivers

Orton has a bad game (and he's had 2 so so games so far by my count) and Orton sucks.

Is that pretty much accurate idiot Bears fan no. 152?

If you watched the Bears this year you would instantly see the problem.  The O-Line is not only bad, but it is SCARY bad.  This goes beyond the O-Line that David Carr when he got pummled.

The Browns defense destroyed Cutler so much so that he was bleeding from the mouth by the third quarter.  Honestly, it was incredible just watching that game not because it was a good game but because he got up after each hit.

And that was the BROWNS.....they are terrible .  Just think what Jared Allen will do when the Vikings come into town.

The Bears just cannot protect Cutler.  Orto, on the other hand, benefits from one of the best O-Lines in the league.  Check how many hits Orton has VS Cutler...you will be amazed.

Orton cannot move the ball down the field, you saw that Ravens game...that is what you will see the rest of the way from defenses.  Cover up all the short stuff, and dare Orton to throw it long.  At the end of the year, you all will be beggin for a QB to throw it down the field, heck you already are now.

First of all, I have watched the Bears a few times this year.  I agree that you have a porous offensive line.  That doesn't excuse Cutler's performance against the Packers or his bone headed decisions that result in red zone turnovers that cost his team.  He's been in the league long enough to know how to throw the ball away and he still doesn't do it.  While I give more credit to Cutler this year than some, I'm not blind enough to think that he doesn't share some of the blame for a couple of the Bears losses this year. 

Now, having said that, please explain to me how it is ludicrous that Cutler gets blamed for the beating you took in Cincinati when your D allowed 40 points but Orton gets blamed for the game in Baltimore when we gave up 30?  If YOU would have watched THIS game you would have seen that, in fact, Orton WAS getting pressured by the Ravens.  Our offensive line gave up 2 sacks and was just not able to defeat the pressure the D was bringing all day. The Ravens were a desperate team coming off a bye at home.  You could see this loss coming.  But ya, I forgot your hypocrisy...Cutler gets pressured and loses, it's not his fault. Orton gets pressured and loses, he sucks. 

Finally, nobody around here is begging for a new QB.  If Orton shows he can't handle the job (and he hasn't even approached that point yet this year) then we will be.  In the meantime, you can go on crying about how your franchise QB doesn't have enough time to throw the ball.  It will be interesting to see how you're going to manage to find a left tackle, 2 guards, and a center with no day 1 picks next year.

Orton cannot move the ball down the field, you saw that Ravens game...that is what you will see the rest of the way from defenses.  Cover up all the short stuff, and dare Orton to throw it long.  At the end of the year, you all will be beggin for a QB to throw it down the field, heck you already are now.

Cutler would not have faired much better that day...Orton was constantly harassed and never had time to look downfield.  The running game was anemic so play action wasn't working.  We'll have an answer for the Steelers and we'll move the ball better....it may not be enough though.

AngryBearsFan wrote:

If you watched the Bears this year you would instantly see the problem.  The O-Line is not only bad, but it is SCARY bad.  This goes beyond the O-Line that David Carr when he got pummled.

 

The Browns defense destroyed Cutler so much so that he was bleeding from the mouth by the third quarter.  Honestly, it was incredible just watching that game not because it was a good game but because he got up after each hit.

 

And that was the BROWNS.....they are terrible .  Just think what Jared Allen will do when the Vikings come into town.

 

The Bears just cannot protect Cutler.  Orto, on the other hand, benefits from one of the best O-Lines in the league.  Check how many hits Orton has VS Cutler...you will be amazed.

 

Orton cannot move the ball down the field, you saw that Ravens game...that is what you will see the rest of the way from defenses.  Cover up all the short stuff, and dare Orton to throw it long.  At the end of the year, you all will be beggin for a QB to throw it down the field, heck you already are now.

 

 

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?  Have you even paused a moment to think about it?

Guess what, dummy?  Cutler had all those weapons here last year, and he finished with good numbers and a mediocre record.  THAT WILL NOT CHANGE IN CHICAGO.

And how, exactly, are you going to get him the help he needs without draft picks?  Did you pause in any of your moronic posts, even momentarily, to consider that question?

As for your ****** line, I'm 1,000% sure I called that, on your board, this off season, and was roundly told that I was wrong and just trolling and that I didn't know what I was talking about.  Funny how I was right -- AGAIN -- on that.

No wonder your board bands together to curse me out and demand that I be banned when I come over there now.  You're tired of being embarrassed every single time I write anything on that pathetic excuse for a board.  But then, you asked for it, didn't you RetardBearFan?

Please: Save yourself the embarrassment and go troll some other boards for a while.  Your obsession with Orton is old, REALLY old, and frankly, we're much more concerned about our current playoff run than what your "franchise qb" MIGHT do IF he gets some weapons before the end of his career in Chicago.

Decade!!!!  Youll be lucky to get 8 more years from him...The Diabetes thing is a serious issue.  His career will not be as long as many NFL QB's

frankinphoenix wrote:

Idiot.

bears238 wrote:

hahaha you guys are going to be feeling sick for the next decade!

 

You may think it is all good at the moment with your record, but it is all the D and Marshal and the Oline.

 

Orton will start losing you games soon and you will be wondering how great ur team could have been with Cutler.

 

 

what did you even get with our pick?? Ayers??? lol what has he done???

 

We got 2 1st round talents in Know and Alava anyway so 1st rounders don't matter.

 

 

Thanks again, just remember it may seem ok now - but just wait!

 

That's really true.  I hadn't thought about the diabetes portion of Cutler, but you're absolutely correct.  It could greatly affect the length of his career.

wolverine2601 wrote:

Decade!!!!  Youll be lucky to get 8 more years from him...The Diabetes thing is a serious issue.  His career will not be as long as many NFL QB's

frankinphoenix wrote:

Idiot.

bears238 wrote:

hahaha you guys are going to be feeling sick for the next decade!

 

You may think it is all good at the moment with your record, but it is all the D and Marshal and the Oline.

 

Orton will start losing you games soon and you will be wondering how great ur team could have been with Cutler.

 

 

what did you even get with our pick?? Ayers??? lol what has he done???

 

We got 2 1st round talents in Know and Alava anyway so 1st rounders don't matter.

 

 

Thanks again, just remember it may seem ok now - but just wait!

 

 

I understand what you're saying Buff, but here's the problem: A franchise quarterback doesn't need everything to be perfect for him to win football games. An average/good quarterback -- like Orton -- needs those things. And that's what Cutler is: an average quarterback with an incredible arm. But until he learns to be smarter with the football and not make the same mistakes over and over again, he will only be an average quarterback with an incredible arm.

Chicago fans make this big deal out of Cutler's line being sub-par, and his receivers being great, and his defense being weak. Well, he had a weak defense here last year and better tools on the offense, including a stout offensive line, and he STILL finished 8-8.

My question is this: When are people going to stop making excuses for Cutler? Is it ever going to happen? "Yeah, well, he doesn't have x, y or z." It's a flimsy argument at best.

Thuro wrote:

Orton cannot move the ball down the field, you saw that Ravens game...that is what you will see the rest of the way from defenses.  Cover up all the short stuff, and dare Orton to throw it long.  At the end of the year, you all will be beggin for a QB to throw it down the field, heck you already are now.

 

Cutler would not have faired much better that day...Orton was constantly harassed and never had time to look downfield.  The running game was anemic so play action wasn't working.  We'll have an answer for the Steelers and we'll move the ball better....it may not be enough though.

You do realize that if Cutler was the QB against Baltimore, it is likely 3 INTs would have resulted, compared to the total of ZERO that Orton threw.

You do realize that if Cutler was the QB against Baltimore, it is likely 3 INTs would have resulted

Exactly my point....we didn't lost that game because of Orton.  Cutler would have had problems moving the ball like Orton did...the OL was being dominated.

Our (Bears) O-Line gets totally dominated every play. And I am not overstating this, they get totally dominated.  You sit there and basically pray Cutler does not get injured.  He gets hammered every game, usually about 6 times....really hard hits, the kind that make the guy bleed.

Now, some Bronco fans may actually like the idea of a bleeding Cutler, but for Bear fans it's not a pretty site.  He gets right back up though, so you have to admire his toughness.  But he DOES get hammered like a David Carr.

He won 3 games out of it, the defense won the other game (Browns).  If we had Orton, we would have won the Lions game but no other game.

Face facts.  Orton did NOTHING during that Ravens game.  Nothing.  He threw for nothing, and got sacked.  What you saw was the Orton the Bears had.  22 yards passing for the half kind of Orton.

Cutler may have thrown an INT or two against the Ravens, but you can bet your behind he would have moved the ball and probably scored.  I dont know if he would have won the game, or even it if would have been close but he sure would not have had 22 passing yards by the half.

AngryBearsFan wrote:

Our (Bears) O-Line gets totally dominated every play. And I am not overstating this, they get totally dominated.  You sit there and basically pray Cutler does not get injured.  He gets hammered every game, usually about 6 times....really hard hits, the kind that make the guy bleed.

 

Now, some Bronco fans may actually like the idea of a bleeding Cutler, but for Bear fans it's not a pretty site.  He gets right back up though, so you have to admire his toughness.  But he DOES get hammered like a David Carr.

 

He won 3 games out of it, the defense won the other game (Browns).  If we had Orton, we would have won the Lions game but no other game.

 

Face facts.  Orton did NOTHING during that Ravens game.  Nothing.  He threw for nothing, and got sacked.  What you saw was the Orton the Bears had.  22 yards passing for the half kind of Orton.

 

Cutler may have thrown an INT or two against the Ravens, but you can bet your behind he would have moved the ball and probably scored.  I dont know if he would have won the game, or even it if would have been close but he sure would not have had 22 passing yards by the half.

Man, I'm getting tired of setting your know-nothing ******** straight.

You claim on the one hand that Orton "didn't win" the Cowboys, Chargers or Pats game.  But when he finally loses a game, a game in which our offensive line was terrible, we were completely outcoached and lost to a good team that had lost three straight in their house, in the early time slot, on the east coast... it's all Orton's fault.

You're a hypocrite.  Plain and simple.  And worse, you do not know what you're talking about.

You may be angry, but you're none too smart.

Thuro wrote:

You do realize that if Cutler was the QB against Baltimore, it is likely 3 INTs would have resulted

 

Exactly my point....we didn't lost that game because of Orton.  Cutler would have had problems moving the ball like Orton did...the OL was being dominated.

 

 

Thuro, sorry I meant to reply to the post you were replying to, but I was too lazy to go and look for the original post and just quote that.

AngryBearsFan wrote:

Our (Bears) O-Line gets totally dominated every play. And I am not overstating this, they get totally dominated.  You sit there and basically pray Cutler does not get injured.  He gets hammered every game, usually about 6 times....really hard hits, the kind that make the guy bleed.

 

Now, some Bronco fans may actually like the idea of a bleeding Cutler, but for Bear fans it's not a pretty site.  He gets right back up though, so you have to admire his toughness.  But he DOES get hammered like a David Carr.

 

He won 3 games out of it, the defense won the other game (Browns).  If we had Orton, we would have won the Lions game but no other game.

 

Face facts.  Orton did NOTHING during that Ravens game.  Nothing.  He threw for nothing, and got sacked.  What you saw was the Orton the Bears had.  22 yards passing for the half kind of Orton.

 

Cutler may have thrown an INT or two against the Ravens, but you can bet your behind he would have moved the ball and probably scored.  I dont know if he would have won the game, or even it if would have been close but he sure would not have had 22 passing yards by the half.

ABF you totally choose to ignore the two games that he lost on his own, but of course your response is that it is all the fault of the rest of the team for his INTs and fumbles and most importantly, his red zone TOs.  Yet somehow he wins games on his own.  That is ridiculous.  And if Cutler throws his two INTs against the Ravens, we lose by even more.

I have got to hand it to Cutler today. He said that the Bears have been working with his procilivity to throw picks in the red zone..... basicailly to throw the ball away when there is no one open........duh !

And he did not throw any picks in the red zone against Arizona. Good job Jay !

In fact Cutler looked pretty impressive in two second half drives. Something we Bronco fans have seen before.

Today, Cutler chose another way to help lose a game.... and something Bronco fans have seen before.... throwing a pick in a come from behind attempt.

One of these days, maybe Cutler's confidence in his arm will not get in the way of his ability to get the job done.

Cutler is basically the second coming of Jeff George..