Free Trial Ad
Why Subscribe?
  • Player/Prospect News
  • Exclusive Insider Info
  • Members-Only Forums
  • Exclusive Videos
  • Subscribe Now!
InboxChat RoomChat Room (0 fans in chatroom)
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >

Wrong question being asked by people

Posted: 8/24/2014 4:49 PM

Wrong question being asked by people 


How many games will we win is not the question.

The question that matters is can we beat Auburn!!!


Yeah, we can.  It will not be easy, but we have a chance.  A good chance.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Don't quit, don't quit, don't quit, if the STARS FALL FROM HEAVEN, DON'T QUIT"

 

 

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/24/2014 7:29 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


How we play against them could very well set the tone for the rest of the season. There will definitely be a lot of discussion, one way or the other, after this game is done.
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/24/2014 8:40 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Yes we can!
WPS!
I like FCJ so sue me!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/24/2014 8:44 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


I agree that Auburn is important, but it is highly unusual to have this kind of game to kick off the season, and I don't think the performance by either team will necessarily provide an accurate barometer for the rest of the season.  Playing well for the Hogs would be a massive boost, but a game that goes more like the pundits predict would not be a reason to issue a flash flood warning for the season.

There's nothing wrong with taking an umbrella when the forecaster's predict rain.  And the rain falling as predicted on a hot afternoon in August does not mean that the forecast will be the same for a cooler night in October.

For some reason, I cannot shake the feeling that this game will NOT be "normal."  I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but I had a lengthy dream today that involved illegal play, bad referees, and an indignant Arkansas coaching staff.  I won't say exactly what happened because it was just a dream, but the folks on this board would have a field day deciding whether we did the right thing or not, or dare I say, Coach Shannon did the right thing or not. ( If you are asking yourself where Coach B was, let's just say he had seen all he could stand...think Nolan in Austin).

It could just be the anxiety of a season opener, but the dream might also reflect my suspicion that college football is going to resemble professional wrestling more and more as time goes by.  The notion that we leave everything to the chance effort of these young men might seem awfully risky to some.
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."

Last edited 8/24/2014 8:45 PM by NostraHOGus

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/24/2014 9:18 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


So your saying that the NCAA is gonna institute the "shadow rule" to protect these young from injury. Under the "shadow rule" there is no tackling or touching allowed, that would be a penalty. The referees decide whether or not a player could have been tackled or not and the benifit always goes to the offense. Time, down and distance, the three controlling factors in football is all at the discretion of the refs. In the future all refs with be from the Candor fraction.
I like FCJ so sue me!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/25/2014 2:44 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


That's an interesting scenario, but you missed my point.  If you ever watched professional wrestling, the scripts usually included scenarios in which the protagonist lost due to some controversy that involved cheating by the opponent or ineptitude by the officials. This allowed the matches to be staged for ultimate effect and maximum drawing power.  The participants never decided the outcome.

Furthermore, I have no doubt, that if winning required Gus Malzahn to pull glass out of his tights and grind it into one of his own players' foreheads to simulate an injury, he would.  He might even grind it into Rhett Butler's forehead (or Jake Lashley, or whoever that other Shiloh coach is) All this big sweetie, "I'm a good man" staff evaporated the minute his contract with Auburn was dry.


hogfanwalkin wrote:
So your saying that the NCAA is gonna institute the "shadow rule" to protect these young from injury. Under the "shadow rule" there is no tackling or touching allowed, that would be a penalty. The referees decide whether or not a player could have been tackled or not and the benifit always goes to the offense. Time, down and distance, the three controlling factors in football is all at the discretion of the refs. In the future all refs with be from the Candor fraction.
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."

Last edited 8/25/2014 2:44 PM by NostraHOGus

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/25/2014 3:46 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 



LanceA wrote: How many games will we win is not the question.

The question that matters is can we beat Auburn!!!


Yeah, we can.  It will not be easy, but we have a chance.  A good 25% chance.

I think  the Hawgs would win 1 out of 4 against my Tigers in JH.... A  lot will have to go wrong for AU. Lots of untimely and costly turnovers, some special team sanfu's and sloppy penalties will lead to an Arky win. If AU plays a good game with little mistakes, it will win fairly easily...
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/25/2014 3:48 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Or sometimes dreams foreshadow the truth. ;)

I disagree with the flash flood warning. I believe AR can and will win this game. However, if this game goes as the pundits believe and AR gets blasted by 30 points or more, I think the team may not respond the way we, or CBB for that matter would want. On the flip side, if we win, and win the way I think we will (14+) I think it will boost us to win 8. But a major loss could indeed be catastrophic.

And by the way, if what you dreamed happens and CBB pulls a Nolan in Austin he will get a new fan.


---------------------------------------------
--- NostraHOGus wrote:

I agree that Auburn is important, but it is highly unusual to have this kind of game to kick off the season, and I don't think the performance by either team will necessarily provide an accurate barometer for the rest of the season.  Playing well for the Hogs would be a massive boost, but a game that goes more like the pundits predict would not be a reason to issue a flash flood warning for the season.

There's nothing wrong with taking an umbrella when the forecaster's predict rain.  And the rain falling as predicted on a hot afternoon in August does not mean that the forecast will be the same for a cooler night in October.

For some reason, I cannot shake the feeling that this game will NOT be "normal."  I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but I had a lengthy dream today that involved illegal play, bad referees, and an indignant Arkansas coaching staff.  I won't say exactly what happened because it was just a dream, but the folks on this board would have a field day deciding whether we did the right thing or not, or dare I say, Coach Shannon did the right thing or not. ( If you are asking yourself where Coach B was, let's just say he had seen all he could stand...think Nolan in Austin).

It could just be the anxiety of a season opener, but the dream might also reflect my suspicion that college football is going to resemble professional wrestling more and more as time goes by.  The notion that we leave everything to the chance effort of these young men might seem awfully risky to some.

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/25/2014 6:13 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Yes I sorta misunderstood it on purpose just so I could say what popped into my head when I read you post. LOL!

---------------------------------------------
--- NostraHOGus wrote:

That's an interesting scenario, but you missed my point.  If you ever watched professional wrestling, the scripts usually included scenarios in which the protagonist lost due to some controversy that involved cheating by the opponent or ineptitude by the officials. This allowed the matches to be staged for ultimate effect and maximum drawing power.  The participants never decided the outcome.I

Furthermore, I have no doubt, that if winning required Gus Malzahn to pull glass out of his tights and grind it into one of his own players' foreheads to simulate an injury, he would.  He might even grind it into Rhett Butler's forehead (or Jake Lashley, or whoever that other Shiloh coach is) All this big sweetie, "I'm a good man" staff evaporated the minute his contract with Auburn was dry.


hogfanwalkin wrote:
So your saying that the NCAA is gonna institute the "shadow rule" to protect these young from injury. Under the "shadow rule" there is no tackling or touching allowed, that would be a penalty. The referees decide whether or not a player could have been tackled or not and the benifit always goes to the offense. Time, down and distance, the three controlling factors in football is all at the discretion of the refs. In the future all refs with be from the Candor fraction.

---------------------------------------------
I like FCJ so sue me!
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/25/2014 6:44 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Well, that's discouraging.  I've enjoyed the 75% win rate during the last four visits to the Plains. It always seemed like the higher Auburn was ranked, the more severe the thrashing we administered. Oh well, those were the days, I guess.

wdeagle wrote:
LanceA wrote: How many games will we win is not the question.

The question that matters is can we beat Auburn!!!


Yeah, we can.  It will not be easy, but we have a chance.  A good 25% chance.

I think  the Hawgs would win 1 out of 4 against my Tigers in JH.... A  lot will have to go wrong for AU. Lots of untimely and costly turnovers, some special team sanfu's and sloppy penalties will lead to an Arky win. If AU plays a good game with little mistakes, it will win fairly easily...
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/25/2014 10:42 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Ok to answer the question is yes. IMO Arkansas is a better program. We went through some stuff. It's over. I fully expect to win and will be mad as heck if we don't (as every good Razorback fan should feel like) mmmmmm. More Kook aid please.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

Albert Einstein

Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/25/2014 11:33 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


In a "Dumb and Dumber" "so your saying there is a chance" kind of way, sure we could win.  Strange things happen from time to time.  But to expect Arkansas, a team that went 3-9 and 0-8 to beat an Auburn team that played in the National Championship game, at Auburn, is just not very likely.  1 chance in 1,000?  Probably.

So, with a loss most likely coming, most turn to the season as a whole for possible comfort.  A false hope, IMO, but kind of the only one we have right now.
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/26/2014 12:26 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


I understand the sentiment.  Realism is often beneficial in these circumstances.

BUT

The Auburn fan himself allowed for 1 in 4.  1 in a 1000 might be pushing it a bit.

We just won't know until we see. 

The last time Arkansas opened with a highly rated opponent, we came out with authority and seized the initial momentum.  Then we began dropping the ball inside our own twenty yard line.

Limiting turnovers and big plays will help keep the game competitive.  I like competitive.


GregHog wrote: In a "Dumb and Dumber" "so your saying there is a chance" kind of way, sure we could win.  Strange things happen from time to time.  But to expect Arkansas, a team that went 3-9 and 0-8 to beat an Auburn team that played in the National Championship game, at Auburn, is just not very likely.  1 chance in 1,000?  Probably.

So, with a loss most likely coming, most turn to the season as a whole for possible comfort.  A false hope, IMO, but kind of the only one we have right now.
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."
Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/26/2014 4:50 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/26/2014 6:57 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."

Last edited 8/26/2014 6:58 AM by NostraHOGus

Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/26/2014 7:51 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


This one was about as improbable as this Saturday's contest would be if we upset the Tiggers (sorry to bring in the GT reference on the Hawg Lounge, but I think it is relevant... season opener... read the first few paragraphs of the recap):

http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=252460002


NostraHOGus wrote: You sure don't!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=262800002

Just1Hog wrote: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=222850002


pirate


Ya just never know.

Keep a light on some patrols are still out! tribute to Over50Hog

Last edited 8/26/2014 7:51 AM by RamblinRazorWreck

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/26/2014 8:00 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 



NostraHOGus wrote: Well, that's discouraging.  I've enjoyed the 75% win rate during the last four visits to the Plains. It always seemed like the higher Auburn was ranked, the more severe the thrashing we administered. Oh well, those were the days, I guess.

wdeagle wrote:
LanceA wrote: How many games will we win is not the question.

The question that matters is can we beat Auburn!!!


Yeah, we can.  It will not be easy, but we have a chance.  A good 25% chance.

I think  the Hawgs would win 1 out of 4 against my Tigers in JH.... A  lot will have to go wrong for AU. Lots of untimely and costly turnovers, some special team sanfu's and sloppy penalties will lead to an Arky win. If AU plays a good game with little mistakes, it will win fairly easily...
I'm not saying y'all haven't been an pain in the ass for us. I also think Arkansas is a good program that is capabale of making noise in the SEC and will win it one day. Based on last year's season results, the coaching on each side, and the players coming back, I'd have to give y'all a 25% chance of winning this Saturday.

I will never forget y'all ruining our MNC's hopes on 2006. Gus had an offensive game plan that destroyed us. I am glad he is on our side now. (Eventhough, in full disclosure, at the time he was hired as OC as Arkansas, I thought it was a terrible hire and he would have no idea how to handle SEC defenses. I also thought, and still do, that he was hired byt CHN to get his HS players; Mustain(sp) and the others).  Arkansas will be back to making noise soon. It can be done there. I just don't believe CBB is the guy. He still could prove me wrong.

I know your response was somewhat tounge-in-cheek, but do you think CBB is the guy to lead y'all back to competeting for the SECW? If so, why? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just maybe missing something that you aren't.

What chances do you give yout Hawgs on Saturday, if both teams play well?

I think the main reason that I am so high on AU's chances is that, with the exception of one game (LSU), CGM was able to get my Tigers to play very well and motivated for each game. The only let downs were the first half of the LSU game (really would have loved to have had that onsides kick called correct, I think AU might have pulled off a major comeback), the last quater of the UGA game, even if Murray didn't score on that 4th down, and the 3rd quarter and last drive of the BCSNCG.

Also, just like everyone says, the greatest improvement usually takes place for a football team from the 1st game of the season the to 2nd game. I think the greatest improvement of a coache's program takes place between the 1st and 2nd season of the coach's tenure. Given how succesful CGM was last year, I expect to see some really good things year. However, what is good for the goose is good for the gander, so we could also see a major improvement in CBB's squad this season.

Last edited 8/26/2014 8:13 AM by wdeagle

Reply | Quote

Posted: 8/26/2014 9:16 AM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


I don't think you realize how close AUB was to being a 6-6 team last year, or how close we were to being 6-6. There isn't that much of a gap between both teams. Last year the ball bounced in their favor quite a bit.

Against us, we had 4 TD drops and a missed FG. That's why I said I believed that was Allen's best game. Two of those dropped TD's were Small and Henry, and Hocker's only miss. No one really played a "good" game except Allen.
Against GA, they had a ball bounce off the defender in what appeared to be a sure fired int, WR just happened to be where the ball bounced to.
Against Bama, Bama's kicker (like Hocker) missed his only FG's of the year, then they actually returned the final one for a TD.

That's just three examples, you take out their bounce and they are never in the NC game. So to say they are way better than us is just kind of crazy, especially when they lost several players vital to their run.


---------------------------------------------
--- GregHog wrote:

In a "Dumb and Dumber" "so your saying there is a chance" kind of way, sure we could win.  Strange things happen from time to time.  But to expect Arkansas, a team that went 3-9 and 0-8 to beat an Auburn team that played in the National Championship game, at Auburn, is just not very likely.  1 chance in 1,000?  Probably.

So, with a loss most likely coming, most turn to the season as a whole for possible comfort.  A false hope, IMO, but kind of the only one we have right now.

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/26/2014 3:25 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


I'm not sure your estimate is off.  If I was guessing, which is hard not to do for a season opener, I'd say that a new defensive coordinator couldn't help but make some improvements in our secondary, and our QB is healthy.

With the exception of a couple of drives in the second half, we hung in there last year when Auburn was beginning to get on a roll.  Meanwhile, we were starting the slide to the bottom because our defense couldn't stop big plays and our QB was still limited, either physically or mentally.

One question I have about this year is how long your QB sits.  I think not long.

My guesstimation is that we are a few points better and Auburn might be a few points worse because it's an opener and you did lose some gifted athletes.

What I don't know is  if that's enough to equal a Hog victory.

Under normal circumstances, I would expect Auburn to overlook this one a little bit, but with Gus at the helm and the Auburn fans' memories of previous seasons ruined by the Razorbacks,  I doubt that will be the case.

If the fans wanted to do their part, they would start this game right where the last play left off last season at that stadium.  It will be interesting to see how a very young team responds to that environment.

Bielema can win in the SEC.  We just don't know how much excavation the rebuilding requires.  He is starting at the ground up, and we have bigger, more athletic offensive lineman than at any time in recent memory.  They are young and fairly inexperienced, however.

I truly just hope for a competitive game without controversy, serious injury, or bad officiating.  The replay booth during your national championship year featured one of the most conservative officials I've seen since the inception of replay.  It sort of left a bad taste for what was otherwise a very exciting game.

wdeagle wrote:
NostraHOGus wrote: Well, that's discouraging.  I've enjoyed the 75% win rate during the last four visits to the Plains. It always seemed like the higher Auburn was ranked, the more severe the thrashing we administered. Oh well, those were the days, I guess.

wdeagle wrote:
LanceA wrote: How many games will we win is not the question.

The question that matters is can we beat Auburn!!!


Yeah, we can.  It will not be easy, but we have a chance.  A good 25% chance.

I think  the Hawgs would win 1 out of 4 against my Tigers in JH.... A  lot will have to go wrong for AU. Lots of untimely and costly turnovers, some special team sanfu's and sloppy penalties will lead to an Arky win. If AU plays a good game with little mistakes, it will win fairly easily...
I'm not saying y'all haven't been an pain in the ass for us. I also think Arkansas is a good program that is capabale of making noise in the SEC and will win it one day. Based on last year's season results, the coaching on each side, and the players coming back, I'd have to give y'all a 25% chance of winning this Saturday.

I will never forget y'all ruining our MNC's hopes on 2006. Gus had an offensive game plan that destroyed us. I am glad he is on our side now. (Eventhough, in full disclosure, at the time he was hired as OC as Arkansas, I thought it was a terrible hire and he would have no idea how to handle SEC defenses. I also thought, and still do, that he was hired byt CHN to get his HS players; Mustain(sp) and the others).  Arkansas will be back to making noise soon. It can be done there. I just don't believe CBB is the guy. He still could prove me wrong.

I know your response was somewhat tounge-in-cheek, but do you think CBB is the guy to lead y'all back to competeting for the SECW? If so, why? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I just maybe missing something that you aren't.

What chances do you give yout Hawgs on Saturday, if both teams play well?

I think the main reason that I am so high on AU's chances is that, with the exception of one game (LSU), CGM was able to get my Tigers to play very well and motivated for each game. The only let downs were the first half of the LSU game (really would have loved to have had that onsides kick called correct, I think AU might have pulled off a major comeback), the last quater of the UGA game, even if Murray didn't score on that 4th down, and the 3rd quarter and last drive of the BCSNCG.

Also, just like everyone says, the greatest improvement usually takes place for a football team from the 1st game of the season the to 2nd game. I think the greatest improvement of a coache's program takes place between the 1st and 2nd season of the coach's tenure. Given how succesful CGM was last year, I expect to see some really good things year. However, what is good for the goose is good for the gander, so we could also see a major improvement in CBB's squad this season.
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."
Reply | Quote
Avatar

Posted: 8/26/2014 4:22 PM

Re: Wrong question being asked by people 


Hope you are right.
bakedog19741 wrote: I don't think you realize how close AUB was to being a 6-6 team last year, or how close we were to being 6-6. There isn't that much of a gap between both teams. Last year the ball bounced in their favor quite a bit.

Against us, we had 4 TD drops and a missed FG. That's why I said I believed that was Allen's best game. Two of those dropped TD's were Small and Henry, and Hocker's only miss. No one really played a "good" game except Allen.
Against GA, they had a ball bounce off the defender in what appeared to be a sure fired int, WR just happened to be where the ball bounced to.
Against Bama, Bama's kicker (like Hocker) missed his only FG's of the year, then they actually returned the final one for a TD.

That's just three examples, you take out their bounce and they are never in the NC game. So to say they are way better than us is just kind of crazy, especially when they lost several players vital to their run.


---------------------------------------------
--- GregHog wrote:

In a "Dumb and Dumber" "so your saying there is a chance" kind of way, sure we could win.  Strange things happen from time to time.  But to expect Arkansas, a team that went 3-9 and 0-8 to beat an Auburn team that played in the National Championship game, at Auburn, is just not very likely.  1 chance in 1,000?  Probably.

So, with a loss most likely coming, most turn to the season as a whole for possible comfort.  A false hope, IMO, but kind of the only one we have right now.

---------------------------------------------
Reply | Quote
Reply to TopicPost New Topic
  Page of 2  Next >