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ONE OF THESE DAYS ALICE-POW!-RIGHT IN THE KISSER.
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NostraHOGus wrote: As somebody who has a foot planted in both eras, I don’t think we can even compare the challenges today to the success we had during “The Glory Years.” The first Razorback game I remember getting excited about was the Cotton Bowl against Georgia. That was a great introduction to Razorback football.I believe the season after that was Frank's last year, and it was a down year. I remember they broadcast one of the last games on ABC because the game was his swan song.That was what, 5 years or so after teams in the South began regularly recruiting and playing African American players?By the time Lou Holtz took over, there were usually only two meaningful games...Texas and one of the other three or four teams that happened to be up in any given year. The usual suspects included Houston, SMU, and Texas A&M. Arkansas had the terrible habit of losing to one of those teams whenever we managed to beat Texas. The essence of life was beating Texas.Even so, one loss and we could still finish in the top 10 and play in a major bowl. The Orange Bowl was glorious. There was nothing like being a double digit underdog and spanking the other team on national TV. That #3 ranking felt like a national championship.The ‘79 Sugar Bowl, though, was another thing. Bear Bryant's teams were the class of college football by that time, and we just couldn't quite hang in there. The difference in talent was obvious.While we competed very favorably in the Hatfield years, the SWC without SMU was already in decline. We could run the table in the SWC, but struggle against teams like Miami and Oklahoma. Those old Arkansas coaches were ahead of the game in recruiting athletes from South Florida and metropolitan Texas.We put up our best fight when Atwater dropped the interception that could have sealed a victory and an 11-0 season against Miami. Still, I don't think we were in a position at that point to contend for the national championship. It was just as well, considering how UCLA's defense had their way with us in the Cotton Bowl. Another team with a metropolitan recruiting base had us out matched.We entered the SEC in a time of turmoil. Had we not had the dustup with Coach Hatfield, the impulse hire of Jack Crowe, the interim Joe Kines, and the consultant turned head coach, Danny Ford, I think we would have probably won the Western division early on (more than once and not by default) because Alabama and LSU were slipping into the deep funk caused by coaching change and probation.During the super power slide, Ole Miss and MSU took advantage of their population base and made the west almost even from top to bottom. Houston Nutt arrived at that time, and if he had been judged only on his ability to win the big one, he would still be coach. The problem was, he had trouble winning some of the games we should have won in the West, and we could not win a game against the Beasts of the East to save our lives.Except for the rubber match against Tennessee the year after we flirted with the national championship, and the game in Fayetteville with D-Mac, have we yet to win another game against Tennessee, Georgia or Florida? There was Greg Childs miracle catch in Athens, but lord we owed them that after we scored a thousand points at home against the Dogs and still figured out a way to lose. But the SEC championship thumping by Georgia after the Miracle on Markham was probably more representative of our relative strength.Meanwhile, instead of playing musical chairs with its coaches, South Carolina hired two former national championship winners and actually stuck with the last one. It took five or more years, but Spurrier finally turned the Cocks into consistent winners.Add in Missouri and Texas A&M, and what we have here is a challenge unparalleled in program history. No coach at any time has ever faced a schedule like the schedule we face now.This program is at a turning point where it will either hang on for dear life to the middle tier of teams that occasionally competes for a title, or it will compete with Kentucky for the bottom. Given the demographics, the population base, and the available talent in the region, it would be very easy to let the latter happen. It doesn't help that Central Arkansas high school football has slipped over the years.Now as much as I loved the last two years under BP, he never demonstrated one time in his tenure that we were any where close to being competitive with the top tier teams in our conference or around the country. Our best victory was BP's last one against an unexciting Kansas State team.Other than that, we didn't score a rushing touchdown against Alabama during his entire coaching tenure. We lost five games in 2010 and 2011, all against every single top ranked team we played. Only two were close. Both of those ended in interceptions being thrown to the other team as we desperately attempted to pass the ball against some of the best secondary and linebacking talent that we’ve ever faced.The efforts against LSU and Alabama in 2011 were probably some of the most underwhelming I can remember as a Razorback fan. We didn't even seem like we belonged on the same field, when we had managed to beat both of those teams at times when we were supposedly mediocre. Heck, old Hootie beat LSU the year the Tigers won the crystal football.So, while I remember the end of the glory years fondly and I love reading and hearing about the greatness of the 1960s, the times were a changin', and there is no comparison from that time to the challenges we face now. The demographics and the talent bases are entirely different, and the changes did not all work in our favor. The overall quality of the teams we face on a regular basis is just astounding.The best we can do, IMO, is seek stability under a coach that has a reputation for putting players in the NFL and who hires highly regarded position coaches and recruiters who can reach beyond the Ozark Hills and the Arklatex to find the type of talent we desperately need to win on a consistent basis. Even then, it may take five years to return to consistent competitiveness. (Then again, it may not).At the end of the day, it is not about the system that a coach runs or whether he gets the most out of mediocre talent. Smoke and mirrors will not hold up on a long term basis to putting the best, most well prepared, and best conditioned athletes on the field on game day.As Forrest Gump would say, "That's all I have to say about that."
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NostraHOGus wrote: …Meanwhile, instead of playing musical chairs with its coaches, South Carolina hired two former national championship winners and actually stuck with the last one. It took five or more years, but Spurrier finally turned the Cocks into consistent winners.…The best we can do, IMO, is seek stability under a coach that has a reputation for putting players in the NFL and who hires highly regarded position coaches and recruiters who can reach beyond the Ozark Hills and the Arklatex to find the type of talent we desperately need to win on a consistent basis. Even then, it may take five years to return to consistent competitiveness. (Then again, it may not).At the end of the day, it is not about the system that a coach runs or whether he gets the most out of mediocre talent. Smoke and mirrors will not hold up on a long term basis to putting the best, most well prepared, and best conditioned athletes on the field on game day.As Forrest Gump would say, "That's all I have to say about that."
Posted: 8/21/2014 11:34 AM
southhillcougfan wrote: 1954 to 1989The Hawgs had only two losing seasons in that 36 year period.Record: 284-111-9Finished the Season in the Top 20: 22 Times13 Top Ten Finishes11 Won or Shared SWC Championships23 Bowl Games, 14 Major Bowls (equivalent to BSC bowls).To put it in perspective the Hawgs were going to an elite bowl every 2.5 years and Conference title every three years, had they continued that run in the SEC they could have had:At least 6 BCS Bowl appearancesAs many as 8 SEC ChampionshipsAnd had there been a bowl for 75% of the teams, as there is today, the Hawgs would have gone to 34 bowls, instead of 23. A bowl actually used to mean something.This is why those of us that grew up with Razorback football in the 60's, 70's and 80's can be so frustrated, yet hopeful. We know it can happen again.WPS
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NostraHOGus wrote: . Smoke and mirrors will not hold up on a long term basis to putting the best, most well prepared, and best conditioned athletes on the field on game day.As Forrest Gump would say, "That's all I have to say about that."
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Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.Albert Einstein
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LC Porkwood wrote: Our best victory was against Kansas State. How can you say that? I can think of several victories far more important than that one. We beat Georgia there once. We owned South Carolina and the old ball coach. Yes, Alabama and LSU beat us handily but both of those games were at their places. Forget all of Petrino's behavioral contortions, the man could coach and his teams were winning big when he was asked to leave. Do I want him back? No. Do I want the winning back? Yes. It's time for Razorback fans to be able to feel pride in their football program. We have been tortured long enough. Tired maxims like "we are building a foundation" do nothing for me. I am glad that our players are well behaved, making decent grades and volunteering in the community. But winning is where it is at. Like it or not, it allows us to feel good about ourselves. It raises our spirits and unites us as Razorback fans. WE had hope. Today - not so much! It's time for that to change starting August 30. I am just not sure you feel that way when you say that Kansas State was our greatest victory under Petrino.
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