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Top 5 QB's

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Posted: 8/17/2014 4:57 PM

Top 5 QB's 


I know this has been debated before but who do you guys feel are the top 5 QB's to lace it up for the Hogs during their college career?
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Posted: 8/17/2014 5:16 PM

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Well I go back to Bill Montgomery days

1. Matt Jones..... Most electrifying player at QB

2. Bill Montgomery....... Loved him as a kid

3. Clint Stoerner..... Probably. As sound as any QB we've had

4. Ryan Mallet....... What an arm!

5. Barry Lunney...... For being the first to beat Bama

5b. Ron Calcalgni......thought he was a solid QB
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Posted: 8/17/2014 5:50 PM

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I was thinking:

1. Matt Jones:  Man I would have loved to see him play with DMac and Felix! He is literally, a human highlight reel.

2. Ryan Mallett: The best passer for the Hogs, in my opinion, in my 45 years of watching Razorback football.

3. Bill Montgomery:  Hard to argue with the longtimers who swear by this guy. And from what i have read and some of
                                   the old fottage I have saw I will take em at their word.

4.Clint Stoerner:  Were it not for one play.............(sigh). One of the best.    

5.Quinn Grovey:  Led the hogs to back-to-back SWC Titles in '88 and '89. Few can forget the shootout with Andre Ware
                              and Houston where Grovey threw for 3 TD's and rushed for 2 more in a 45-39 win.        


Honorable Mention:

Ron Calgagni
Steve Creekmore
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Posted: 8/17/2014 5:55 PM

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Players that I've seen play:

1) Stoerner - toughest, most reliable QB I've ever seen play

2) Mallett - not his biggest fan, but what he did against Georgia his first year as a Hog changed my whole outlook on Razorback football

3) Jones - freak (OT legend)

I think better defenses would have resulted in championships for all three of the above.

While I did not see these players play in college, I am guessing they should be on the list by reputation:

4) Bill Montgomery

5) Joe Ferguson

Lunney, Grovey, Brad Taylor, Calcagni, and a healthy Wilson are closes misses.
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."

Last edited 8/17/2014 5:57 PM by NostraHOGus

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Posted: 8/17/2014 6:24 PM

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1. Lamar McHan - our highest Heisman vote getter before DMac,
2. Ryan Mallett - I wish we had had more than two seasons.
3. Joe Ferguson - the talent around him weakened as his career continued.
4. Ron Calcagni - I never would have thought I would have said this when he was playing, but he was a great quartertback in the offense he ran.
5. Bill Montgomery - not the best passer, not the best runner, but may have been a better quarterback than the four above.

Honorable mention. Quinn Grovey (hard to compare triple option quarterbacks with passers), Jack Robbins (before TV, so forgotten), Jon Brittenum (a separated shoulder from a undefeated season and NC), Clint Stoerner, Matt Jones (enigma)
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Posted: 8/17/2014 6:29 PM

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I can't argue with these selections , except I don't remember Jack Robbins.

BaconsRebelion wrote: 1. Lamar McHan - our highest Heisman vote getter before DMac,
2. Ryan Mallett - I wish we had had more than two seasons.
3. Joe Ferguson - the talent around him weakened as his career continued.
4. Ron Calcagni - I never would have thought I would have said this when he was playing, but he was a great quartertback in the offense he ran.
5. Bill Montgomery - not the best passer, not the best runner, but may have been a better quarterback than the four above.

Honorable mention. Quinn Grovey (hard to compare triple option quarterbacks with passers), Jack Robbins (before TV, so forgotten), Jon Brittenum (a separated shoulder from a undefeated season and NC), Clint Stoerner, Matt Jones (enigma)
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Posted: 8/17/2014 7:07 PM

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All good selections, but I think Billy Moore deserves at least a mention.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 7:46 PM

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In no particular order:

Mallett

Jones

Grovey

Ferguson

(Tie) Stoerner
and 
Brad Taylor

I am almost hesitant to include Stoerner be cause he was so BAD his first year. But a year of practice and a new coach really helped him. His first year I think he may have had more INT's than completions...  :)
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 8/17/2014 8:46 PM

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1) Stoerner - toughest, most reliable QB I've ever seen play

Well, except for that one play against Tennessee, I might agree he could get into the top 5.  But, that one play gave Tennessee a National Championship and ruined what was going to be an undefeated season for the Hogs.  So, I don't think "reliable" is a good description and I don't think he belongs in the Top 5, let alone the first.  
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:15 PM

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PossumFan wrote: All good selections, but I think Billy Moore deserves at least a mention.
Very good point. Billy Moore falls into a netherland between my living memory and history. I unfairly associate his teams with disappointing losses (Texas on Brabham's "fumble", Tommy Bell's field goal and bowl games.)
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:18 PM

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HawgnDos wrote: 
I am almost hesitant to include Stoerner be cause he was so BAD his first year. ...
I am taking heart in that for this season.
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:26 PM

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What about Bull?
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Posted: 8/17/2014 9:46 PM

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1a Mallett

1b M. Jones

3 Stoerner

4 Ferguson

5 Grovey
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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:07 PM

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Here's why your frustration with Stoerner is misplaced.  (That sounds nicer than "Here's why your wrong").

I didn't realize anybody faulted Stoerner for that play.  It was an aggressive play call by HDN to run out the clock and avoid any possibility of a last minute Tennessee score.  An experienced QB was expected to run a bootleg to the left and look for the tight end and a first down on a play where everybody expected run.  If the tight end wasn't there, Stoerner could eat the ball and avoid stopping the clock.


Nobody counted on Burlsworth (I think it was Burlsworth) stepping on Stoerner's foot. Knowing that pass protection to the left was the play call, Burlsworth probably took a deep step with his foot to get himself set. They had probably run the play dozens of times without a hitch.

I suppose Stoerner could have just fallen down with the ball, but he had it in his passing hand as he did the stumbling pirouette  to the grass.  I don't think there was much time to think through his options.

Stoerner could almost always convert a third down, and he never threw interceptions that cost football games. Mallett did that twice, or he might be higher on my list.

The Fayetteville Police Department, specifically Officer Tolley, cost us the MSU game and a shot at a rematch with Tennessee.


That was my favorite team from the last twenty years. There was never an issue of competitiveness against anybody we played.  The teams from 2006 and 2010 were the only other times we flirted with a legitimate SEC/national championship.

Funny how people remember things.

bikehog23 wrote:

1) Stoerner - toughest, most reliable QB I've ever seen play

Well, except for that one play against Tennessee, I might agree he could get into the top 5.  But, that one play gave Tennessee a National Championship and ruined what was going to be an undefeated season for the Hogs.  So, I don't think "reliable" is a good description and I don't think he belongs in the Top 5, let alone the first.  
"Someone once told me, 'Time is a flat circle.' Everything we've ever done or will do, we're gonna do over and over and over again."

Last edited 8/17/2014 10:11 PM by NostraHOGus

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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:27 PM

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1. Bill Montgomery
2. Joe Ferguson
3. Jon Brittenum (Quarterbackin' Man)
4. Clint Stoerner
5. Quinn Grovey

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Last edited 8/17/2014 10:34 PM by georgeuremovich

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Posted: 8/17/2014 10:44 PM

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bikehog23 wrote:

1) Stoerner - toughest, most reliable QB I've ever seen play

Well, except for that one play against Tennessee, I might agree he could get into the top 5.  But, that one play gave Tennessee a National Championship and ruined what was going to be an undefeated season for the Hogs.  So, I don't think "reliable" is a good description and I don't think he belongs in the Top 5, let alone the first.  
Stoerner was tough, and talented, loved the way he played. Throw out that one play, and he was the best overall.
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Posted: 8/18/2014 1:42 AM

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1.Clint Stoerner
2.Matt Jones
3.Joe Ferguson
4.Bill Montgomery
5.Kevin Scanlon

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Posted: 8/18/2014 2:10 AM

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jimbeau77 wrote: 1.Clint Stoerner
2.Matt Jones
3.Joe Ferguson
4.Bill Montgomery
5.Kevin Scanlon

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Posted: 8/18/2014 6:13 AM

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Here's a stat for you.  Comparing Clint Stoerner's first full year (Sophomore) as a starter to Brandon Allen's first full year, looking only at passing stats, not wins-losses, rushes, or other stats:

Stoerner:  11 games, 48.5% completion, 2347 yards, 12 TDs, 13 INTs

Allen:  11 games, 49.6% completion, 1552 yards, 13 TDs, 10 INTs

Interesting stats available at this site:  http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/

Based on how Stoerner did his Junior/Senior years and extrapolating for Allen, the Hogs should be a much better team in 2014/15.  When you go back and look at other great Arkansas QBs and look at where they placed in their conference in terms of passing stats, Bill Montgomery, Joe Ferguson, Ryan Mallett, and Tyler Wilson all looked good.  I prefer to measure the worthiness of a QB in wins-losses.  If you measure in terms of excitement to watch, it would be hard to top Matt Jones.

Last edited 8/18/2014 6:14 AM by bikehog23

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Posted: 8/18/2014 6:40 AM

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BaconsRebelion wrote:
HawgnDos wrote: 
I am almost hesitant to include Stoerner be cause he was so BAD his first year. ...
I am taking heart in that for this season.
Bacon, there are striking similarities with Stoerner and Allen. Stoerner never really had a cannon and neither does Allen.  If Allen is healed up as we are hearing and he doesn't HAVE to make long downfield throws and the rest of the team comes around a bit, things may start looking up.
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