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Tony Stewart --what do you guys think?

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:56 AM

Tony Stewart --what do you guys think? 


What happens next?

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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:07 PM

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I don't think anything is going to come of it. Ward's best friend, who is also another Sprint Car driver, was in the stands, right about the same area as the video and he says he didn't think Smoke intentionally hit the kid.


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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:19 PM

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Why bother with sprint cars?  That's what I wonder.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:33 PM

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To break the constant strain of Nascar. Saw Dale Jarrett and Ricky Craven (both former Nascar drivers turned analysts) say that a lot of drivers run events like that because they love racing and it's not as strenuous as Nascar and they can have fun doing it. It also helps the small tracks to have someone like Stewart at the race and attracts more fans than usual.

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Why bother with sprint cars?  That's what I wonder.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:56 PM

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Some reports make it sound like there's some fault there on the part of Stewart. From what I get from numerous reports, Tony was dodging the guy. Those Sprint carts apparently don't have a cruising slow speed. IMO the bottom line is that he should never have left his car.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:12 PM

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I did not see any film, but it strikes me kinda like getting out of your car on a busy expressway, dangerous and foolish.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:35 PM

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Hummmm, watch the video


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Some reports make it sound like there's some fault there on the part of Stewart. From what I get from numerous reports, Tony was dodging the guy. Those Sprint carts apparently don't have a cruising slow speed. IMO the bottom line is that he should never have left his car.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:32 PM

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The sheriff has said there's no grounds for action on his part. Looked to me like the guy came charging out into Tony's path to give him what for and it was a regrettable decision on his part.






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Posted: 8/10/2014 4:04 PM

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HogLaw91 wrote: Some reports make it sound like there's some fault there on the part of Stewart. From what I get from numerous reports, Tony was dodging the guy. Those Sprint carts apparently don't have a cruising slow speed. IMO the bottom line is that he should never have left his car.

Yeah, he shouldn't have but those guys do it all the time.  And going after a known aggressor/hot head like Stewart, well, is nothing short of suici, er, nuts....
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Posted: 8/10/2014 6:56 PM

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The first thing I thought was that a guy getting out of his wrecked car and cursing somebody (still in his car) who was moving at a high rate of speed sounded like a potential nominee for the Darwin awards.  But anybody with any say in the matter should look at this extremely closely to dispel any notion that a top flight driver may have contributed to a competitor's death in the heat of the moment (like that's never happened before).

If Stewart is cleared, that's fine, but to just gloss it over invites conduct that is far more malicious than it appears.  Racing is dangerous enough without creating the circumstances in which running over somebody is the equivalent of an inside pitch to the hip.
This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.”  - Charles Dickens
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:06 PM

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I'll say this, Smoke has a temper. I've seen the video, I didn't see anything that led me to believe Stewart aimed his car at him, but at the same time I didn't see him go out of his way to avoid him either. Seen several people say he didn't see him because it was dark and he was wearing black. I'm not sure he didn't see him, but I don't think he hit him on purpose.

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The first thing I thought was that a guy getting out of his wrecked car and cursing somebody (still in his car) who was moving at a high rate of speed sounded like a potential nominee for the Darwin awards.  But anybody with any say in the matter should look at this extremely closely to dispel any notion that a top flight driver may have contributed to a competitor's death in the heat of the moment (like that's never happened before).

If Stewart is cleared, that's fine, but to just gloss it over invites conduct that is far more malicious than it appears.  Racing is dangerous enough without creating the circumstances in which running over somebody is the equivalent of an inside pitch to the hip.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:51 AM

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I am a Nascar fan and have been for quite some time. 1st things 1st, this is tragic event across the board for motorsports racing. And it has its grand ole days just like others sports do. That is why rule changes are put in place over time in ALL SPORTS. I don't need to go in detail about any football, basketball, baseball changes here.
However in Nascar and Sprint and Indy and Formula 1, etc. when there is a wreck and a caution flag,
Rules;
 Drivers: in wrecked cars are to stay in their cars, unless a fire is imminent, for their own safety and safety personell can extract them safely.
 Drivers: in moving cars stay to low side of track if it is clear at minimal speed unless all cars have been stopped by officials for safety reasons.

It appears in this case both were at fault to some degree
 Mr Ward got out of his car walking into traffic to show his displeasure to Tony while wearing dark firesuit & helmet and narrowly missing one car that was in front of Tony. Major no no in motorsports
Tony Stewart appears to move up toward the center of the track and may or may not have tried to just slightly speed by Ward to just get past him or possibly to dust him with a little mud, only Tony knows his intentions there. 

I'm 100% sure Tony never intended to hit him when his car fishtailed slightly striking Ward, it is possible Tony didn't see him in time not knowing he was that close due to a car in front of him.

Race car drivers are as tightly wound as any in other sports.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 4:02 PM

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I don't think Stewart did it intentionally. No way I believe he would do that. The young man put himself in a dangerous situation and he payed for it with his life. He should have never gotten out of the car and he certainly shouldn't be moving towards a moving car.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:18 PM

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It looks to me that he tried to fish tail his end to throw dirt at the guy, but the other racer just kept running at him and they met in tragic fashion.  There was no reason for Tony to gun it like he did other than to intentionally fish tail his car....there was a yellow flag out and nobody else was revving their engines...especially at the wreck site.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:30 PM

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It's my opinion, no way a prosecutor can feel comfortable with pressing charges not honestly knowing intent.

My logic says;
All forms of racing need to police this up and suspend drivers for protesting on the track, period! Ward put himself in jeopardy in an enviroment that's fast. Mr. Ward was standing on a high bank made of packed mud. T. Stewart must be given benefit of doubt.

The first mistake was protesting in a dangerous setting.

* Ok... T. Stewart had a history of anger, guess what folks? More drivers have shown their butts in the racing world than T. Stewart has. It's wrong to judge his history of borderline conduct in conjunction with the unfortunate death of Mr. Ward.

If you don't want to get kicked by the bull, don't stand behind the bull. It's harsh, but I was asked what I thought.

I hope the Ward family, Stewart family and those involved with both families and fans who witnessed the incident can find peace and comfort.

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:39 PM

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I'll disagree Hip. I don't believe Stewart meant to kill the kid, but Stewart was intentionally trying to either warn him by throwing dirt or hit him with the fins of the vehicle. Problem was as you said the kid was still moving toward him. To many Sprint car racers witnessed it and said Stewart was sending him a warning and unfortunately he was to close.


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It's my opinion, noway a prosecutor can feel comfortable with pressing charges not honestly knowing intent.

My logic says;
All forms of racing need to police thus up and suspend drivers for protesting on the track, period. Ward put himself in jeopardy in an enviroment that's fast and was Mr. Ward was standing on a high bank made of packed mud. T. Stewart must be given benefit of doubt.

The first mistake was protesting in a dangerous setting.

* Ok... T. Stewart had a history of anger, guess what folks? More drivers have shown their butts in the racing world than T. Stewart has. It's wrong to judge his borderline conduct in conjunction with the unfortunate death of Mr. Ward.

If you don't want to get kicked by the bull, don't stand behind the bull. It's harsh, but I was asked what I thought.

I hope the Ward family, Stewart family and those involved with both families and fans who witnessed the incident can find peace and comfort.

BHH,

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Posted: 8/11/2014 6:49 PM

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I'm not sure how you KNOW that for sure. I'm saying allow civil penalty to play it's course, but I'm against the idea of criminal charges with what I've seen.

I'm amazed how you KNOW he was wanting to warn Ward or throw mud.

Do we judge others with "speculation" and pursue charges from a hunch?

BHH,
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:23 PM

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One thing for sure, if the kid would have stayed in his car, like he was supposed to do, he would be alive today!
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:43 PM

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I agree with you 100%.


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One thing for sure, if the kid would have stayed in his car, like he was supposed to do, he would be alive today!

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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:45 PM

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They should have headed this off years ago by applying significant fines and suspensions to drivers who go onto the track, including Mr. Stewart himself several years ago at Bristol. Whether that would have helped across different racing disciplines is debatable, but the rules could be applied. So I find myself in agreement with BHH. I don't know if there is enough evidence to bring criminal charges, but suppose a lawyer can be found who would be happy to work for a contingency, betting he can win a civil case. One condition; this wasn't in Indiana was it? Stewart probably wouldn't lose there.
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