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Not all coaches know best.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:40 AM

Not all coaches know best. 


Traditionally speaking, "the coach knows best." However, not in all cases!

Is it only our coach that knows best? Or is this a rule for all teams? Most of us can give several illustrations where key members in administration at our workplace made bonehead decisions. Did our administrators know best when bad decisions were made? Not everyone can qualify as a good parent, exaggeration of illustration; parents who leave young children in the car unattended. Did they know best? I can give thousands of examples where the assigned authority didn't know best.

I'm convinced coach B wants to win. I'm not convinced he knows best just yet. As fans, often expectations and trust is supported on faith, too often a coach is given the out "coach knows best" when failure become reality and people start blaming talent of the athlete. Who put that talent on the field? If it wasn't our current coach that knows best, then it must of been the prior coach that was also labeled for knowing best. Right? lol

If every single clipboard carrying, whistle bowing individual wearing an embroidered hat reading "coach" knows best, then the game of football would be played on the 50 yard line and all games would end 0-0. Folks, I hate to burst your bubble, not every coach knows best, not every coach knows how to recruit, not every coach calls the right play, etc.

As citizens we bring issues to the table pertaining to how our public officials run our community, State and country. When a new car has mechanical failure someone made a mistake either on the draft board or during the assembly. When a coach is contributing to failure some people actually have the ability to see it more clear than others. Some of us can actually see issue before it develops.

This text isn't focused on hate, it's to remind others that this is a game and people get paid very well. Some of the menu of responsibilities and weight that rest on the shoulders of coaches is public criticism. So when a fan by true definition speaks out, some fans know what they speak of and others don't know a d@%# thing.

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:10 AM

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I'll go one further, the successful  coaches have an intangible factor called chemistry for lack of a better term, and that is far more important than knowledge of the game. I guarantee you, Saban, Broyles, Wilkerson, Rockne, Lombardi etc. all had the ability to get the players to respond and exert 100%. X's and O's are not very important, a million people understand the X's and O's but cannot coach a lick. 

For several reasons I think coach Smith at Arkansas had zero of this chemistry with his team.
BP had it despite several faults I think he had. But the players responded and that intangible factor is hard to define and even harder to determine in an interview.

So, IMO, our present coach will be tested this year, he either has it or he has not and it will be apparent I think by the end of this season. Not in wins and losses, but  effort.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:17 AM

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No secret that I don't think CBB is the right coach here, I still believe he's a stop gap. However, I mentioned many times being at the USCe game last year. The team absolutely quit. Everyone can argue, but it was obvious. Even the next week against Bama the commentators referenced the difference. Anyway my point is, he got them to respond, maybe they didn't win but they were trying. The year before they quit and never responded. So as much as I don't think he's the guy we need as HC, obviously the players are buying in to what he's preaching. I'll give him points for that. I think he realized last year that this conference isn't quite as level as the B1G, it is much harder to prove yourself in the mighty SEC.


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I'll go one further, the successful  coaches have an intangible factor called chemistry for lack of a better term, and that is far more important than knowledge of the game. I guarantee you, Saban, Broyles, Wilkerson, Rockne, Lombardi etc. all had the ability to get the players to respond and exert 100%. X's and O's are not very important, a million people understand the X's and O's but cannot coach a lick. 

For several reasons I think coach Smith at Arkansas had zero of this chemistry with his team.
BP had it despite several faults I think he had. But the players responded and that intangible factor is hard to define and even harder to determine in an interview.

So, IMO, our present coach will be tested this year, he either has it or he has not and it will be apparent I think by the end of this season. Not in wins and losses, but  effort.

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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:22 AM

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I don't think a coach is always going to make the right decision.  I know I don't, and I am very good at my job.  Point being, you and any other passer by could observe my work and call me out on a daily basis.  However, those that actually know the inner workings of highway construction, highway contracting, major construction, will know that there are simply too many things going on in the background that the casual passerby or the only lightly involved would never begin to understand the complexities of everyday decisions that go on.  The passerby or lightly involved might wonder why the job wasn't done a certain way that would seem to make more sense and would've appeared to be much easier but the professional knows much more about the intricate details of all of the unseen by the casual observer.
Perhaps it is easier for us to see a failure about to happen when "you need to get so and so out of there and get so and so in", when in fact the coach knows that the person in is the one that has been practicing the best, has been head and shoulders above all others all week.  Hard to make that call, brotha!
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:33 AM

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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:50 AM

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Its of my opinion that X's and O's have the least value in relation to success. It's the execution of the X/O and often the timing of X/O. An ingredient for success that many great coaches have; is "charisma." When the coach walks in, players should instinctively have a form of respect that yields not only the floor, but would never interrupt or question the authority of said coach. When Vince Lombardi walked into the room, all eyes followed, he controlled the emotions of the room. Saban I'm not a fan of, but he demands similar authorty.

Watch people during public events. Some people demand attention and demand a response to their conversation, that usually involves their selfishness. You'll see how people start steering away. A person with charisma can mention a topic and several will feed off it and sparks great conversation. An individual who controls the tempo of a room with less than a subliminal message is the one people will follow. Vince Lombardi wasn't a perfect person, but he was in control.

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:01 AM

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Stay,
Are you questioning the web designer? Web designer knows best. lol (((wink)))

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:24 AM

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Be careful Hip, the mods are lurking more than usual.


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Stay,
Are you questioning the web designer? Web designer knows best. lol (((wink)))

BHH,

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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:34 AM

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Wish I had a agree button. I would agree with ya.

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:45 PM

But sock puppets always know best 




 

Sometimes they argue, and sometimes they pat each other (or their handler) on the back.  biggrin

Keep a light on some patrols are still out! tribute to Over50Hog

Last edited 7/24/2014 1:46 PM by RamblinRazorWreck

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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:46 PM

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So YOUR the one to blame for slow highway construction!  Now I know! biggrin
HawgnDos wrote: I don't think a coach is always going to make the right decision.  I know I don't, and I am very good at my job.  Point being, you and any other passer by could observe my work and call me out on a daily basis.  However, those that actually know the inner workings of highway construction, highway contracting, major construction, will know that there are simply too many things going on in the background that the casual passerby or the only lightly involved would never begin to understand the complexities of everyday decisions that go on.  The passerby or lightly involved might wonder why the job wasn't done a certain way that would seem to make more sense and would've appeared to be much easier but the professional knows much more about the intricate details of all of the unseen by the casual observer.
Perhaps it is easier for us to see a failure about to happen when "you need to get so and so out of there and get so and so in", when in fact the coach knows that the person in is the one that has been practicing the best, has been head and shoulders above all others all week.  Hard to make that call, brotha!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:52 PM

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Stay within rules and you have no worries. Also shows more going on than all know - we aren't lurking any more than normal.
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Be careful Hip, the mods are lurking more than usual.


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Stay,
Are you questioning the web designer? Web designer knows best. lol (((wink)))

BHH,

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Teach a man to fish? What's he been doing all these years?!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:58 PM

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I-530 has been my home away from home for 1.5 years now and after yesterday will be for another 399 days after say labor day (and $65M later...).

GregHog wrote: So YOUR the one to blame for slow highway construction!  Now I know! biggrin
HawgnDos wrote: I don't think a coach is always going to make the right decision.  I know I don't, and I am very good at my job.  Point being, you and any other passer by could observe my work and call me out on a daily basis.  However, those that actually know the inner workings of highway construction, highway contracting, major construction, will know that there are simply too many things going on in the background that the casual passerby or the only lightly involved would never begin to understand the complexities of everyday decisions that go on.  The passerby or lightly involved might wonder why the job wasn't done a certain way that would seem to make more sense and would've appeared to be much easier but the professional knows much more about the intricate details of all of the unseen by the casual observer.
Perhaps it is easier for us to see a failure about to happen when "you need to get so and so out of there and get so and so in", when in fact the coach knows that the person in is the one that has been practicing the best, has been head and shoulders above all others all week.  Hard to make that call, brotha!
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:59 PM

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Did he stop knowing best when he left Wisconsin?

I've been impressed with the way he handled how last year went, the improvement in the classroom, the fact we don't have guys in trouble with the law all the time, and the staff he's put together. I think that all counts towards charisma and moving in a good direction. Like BHH more than X's and O's. Just gotta give time, I believe.

Been doing a lot of reading/studying on presuppositions, I think thoughts on out me coach really illustrate the impact of those. If you thought Coach was not the right hire, you prob aren't as excited about all the other stuff and see 3 wins. If you think he is the right guy, you're not excited about 3 wins but are excited about the rest.
Teach a man to fish? What's he been doing all these years?!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:59 PM

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Yeah, I think everybody has been very good for awhile now.  No problems here...

cool

broeric wrote: Stay within rules and you have no worries. Also shows more going on than all know - we aren't lurking any more than normal.
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Be careful Hip, the mods are lurking more than usual.


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--- BaldHeadedHippy wrote:

Stay,
Are you questioning the web designer? Web designer knows best. lol (((wink)))

BHH,

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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:26 PM

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I saw that contract award in the paper today.  Didn't know that was where you worked.
HawgnDos wrote: I-530 has been my home away from home for 1.5 years now and after yesterday will be for another 399 days after say labor day (and $65M later...).

GregHog wrote: So YOUR the one to blame for slow highway construction!  Now I know! biggrin
HawgnDos wrote: I don't think a coach is always going to make the right decision.  I know I don't, and I am very good at my job.  Point being, you and any other passer by could observe my work and call me out on a daily basis.  However, those that actually know the inner workings of highway construction, highway contracting, major construction, will know that there are simply too many things going on in the background that the casual passerby or the only lightly involved would never begin to understand the complexities of everyday decisions that go on.  The passerby or lightly involved might wonder why the job wasn't done a certain way that would seem to make more sense and would've appeared to be much easier but the professional knows much more about the intricate details of all of the unseen by the casual observer.
Perhaps it is easier for us to see a failure about to happen when "you need to get so and so out of there and get so and so in", when in fact the coach knows that the person in is the one that has been practicing the best, has been head and shoulders above all others all week.  Hard to make that call, brotha!
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:43 PM

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Things have changed since I was younger.  I remember in December of 1967 driving to Little Rock from Georgia when I got into Mississippi they had started the Ross Barnett Parkway to replace US78 from Memphis to Birmingham.  They had a mile here and a mile there done and the rest was two lanes. It took Mississippi over 20 years to finish it to the Alabama line and another 20 years and it is almost done in Alabama. 

Of course they had to drop Ross' name from the project and I think it will be I-27 soon.

I hope that new Interstate from Louisiana to Missouri does not take that long to build. I'd like to drive on it once before I kick the bucket.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 6:18 PM

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Greg, I will start that project but likely not finish it. I have already given notice that at or near the end of this year is it for me at AHTD.  October marks 35 years there for me.  I told them that very likely anywhere from the end of football season to just past new year will be it.  I am basing that on some financials so it could waver just a bit, but it is pretty good right now in Mark's world!  :)
I will leave the project in good shape and in good hands before I leave though.  It's only right.

GregHog wrote: I saw that contract award in the paper today.  Didn't know that was where you worked.
HawgnDos wrote: I-530 has been my home away from home for 1.5 years now and after yesterday will be for another 399 days after say labor day (and $65M later...).

GregHog wrote: So YOUR the one to blame for slow highway construction!  Now I know! biggrin
HawgnDos wrote: I don't think a coach is always going to make the right decision.  I know I don't, and I am very good at my job.  Point being, you and any other passer by could observe my work and call me out on a daily basis.  However, those that actually know the inner workings of highway construction, highway contracting, major construction, will know that there are simply too many things going on in the background that the casual passerby or the only lightly involved would never begin to understand the complexities of everyday decisions that go on.  The passerby or lightly involved might wonder why the job wasn't done a certain way that would seem to make more sense and would've appeared to be much easier but the professional knows much more about the intricate details of all of the unseen by the casual observer.
Perhaps it is easier for us to see a failure about to happen when "you need to get so and so out of there and get so and so in", when in fact the coach knows that the person in is the one that has been practicing the best, has been head and shoulders above all others all week.  Hard to make that call, brotha!
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:46 PM

However, 


1--He is always the coach

2--your not the coach

3--He is closer to his players that any of us.

4--Has knowledge about them that we do not know

5--He knows the plan going forward
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Posted: 7/24/2014 8:10 PM

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1--He is always the coach - he is not always the coach

2--your not the coach - true

3--He is closer to his players that any of us. -true

4--Has knowledge about them that we do not know - true

5--He knows the plan going forward - I doubt it.

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