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North End Zone enclosure

Posted: 7/14/2014 12:34 PM

North End Zone enclosure 


As I look around at some of the other institutions I feel like we should make the north end zone expansion a higher priority. Kyle Field at A&M looks wicked, and MS State has almost caught up with us. God forbid we let someone like Ole Myth catch up(although that would be a stretch). Heck, even Baylor and Houston have impressive facilities now even though they are smaller. I will gladly pony up more if I need to. We need to stay in the top half of this SEC arms race. The "w"s will come so I say plan ahead.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 1:23 PM

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I have not been through Starksville, MS in about five years, but  they could put the Roman Coliseum there and it would still be a hick town. They did move the highway from the single red light in town to out by the football field, but Hey, it is still Starksville.  I have always wondered how they get any out of state player to go there.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 1:30 PM

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bobrog4 wrote: I have not been through Starksville, MS in about five years, but  they could put the Roman Coliseum there and it would still be a hick town. They did move the highway from the single red light in town to out by the football field, but Hey, it is still Starksville.  I have always wondered how they get any out of state player to go there.

It must be the ice cream they make there.  Of course, its been over 20 years since I've actually been to Starkville.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 3:15 PM

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Planning for this is one thing, actually building it is another.  The plans already exist.  We don't need more luxury facilities, new uniforms or trite hash tag slogans.  We need wins and championships.  If and when we start winning, (then and only then) we should enclose the north end zone. 

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Posted: 7/14/2014 6:36 PM

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I respectfully disagree. I tend to think the wins are coming regardless. It is a cycle for us. I think the only two teams that are more consistent are obvious, and for everyone else its a cycle. If we based our facilities upgrades on 8-9-10 win seasons, we may be waiting a while. We need the extra seats, and the end zone noise that comes along with them. I bet the funds are readily available, and if not, it shouldn't be a problem to raise them.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 6:50 AM

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LC Porkwood wrote:

Planning for this is one thing, actually building it is another.  The plans already exist.  We don't need more luxury facilities, new uniforms or trite hash tag slogans.  We need wins and championships.  If and when we start winning, (then and only then) we should enclose the north end zone. 

That seems to be the plan. We rarely fill the 72k that we have up there (sellout more than fill).  Having the appearance of an empty stadium does nobody any good especially in out of state recruiting.  The PTB will be watching the impact of this season with ticket sales down, the SECNetwork, etc.  If CBB is able to get a few more wins and increase sales a bit then that may get them feeling better about things, otherwise don't look for the NE enclosure anytime soon.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 10:32 AM

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It remains an elite and classy stadium without the the north end zone being closed. Since the economy is stagnant and not poised to get hot again soon, prudence would dictate having plans in place for expansion (which there undoubtedly are) while also taking seriously the possibility that expensive tickets to live sporting events are going to increasingly be seen as a luxury and a hard-to-justify hit in the wallet for average joe out there. 

72K seats seems plenty for now, no?
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Posted: 7/15/2014 11:21 AM

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It's my understanding that donations/contributions are down significantly this year so far.  Some reports have it at $10 million dollars.  If that is the case then we have no business building anything other more than what we have already started.  Winning begats donations and ticket sales better than anything else.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 12:45 PM

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LC Porkwood wrote: It's my understanding that donations/contributions are down significantly this year so far.  Some reports have it at $10 million dollars.  If that is the case then we have no business building anything other more than what we have already started.  Winning begats donations and ticket sales better than anything else.
Those reports are misleading, which is exactly what the ADG wanted to do -- mislead people. That $10 million was a one-time challenge grant toward the construction of the new football building, which was not going to be repeated the next year because we weren't building two football buildings. The same thing would have been true the year after the Reynolds Foundation gave $15 million or whatever it was toward the RRS expansion in 1999.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 4:12 PM

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FoxMan2099 wrote: It remains an elite and classy stadium without the the north end zone being closed. Since the economy is stagnant and not poised to get hot again soon, prudence would dictate having plans in place for expansion (which there undoubtedly are) while also taking seriously the possibility that expensive tickets to live sporting events are going to increasingly be seen as a luxury and a hard-to-justify hit in the wallet for average joe out there. 

72K seats seems plenty for now, no?
Once again, I respectfully disagree. Is it an elite and classy stadium---YES, and we need to stay ahead of the Jones` I hadn't heard that the economy is currently stagnant, as a matter of fact, just the opposite. I know the plans are already in place, so I would go ahead, and get the funds available a.s.a.p. and get the project started, although that may be a year or two down the road, but 5-6 years down the road is too long.

The "W"s and the people are coming.

The bandwagon fans need to sh** or get off the pot. sorry.

Go Hogs!
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Posted: 7/15/2014 4:42 PM

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It may very well be misleading but I stand by my earlier statement that until we win and excitement grows, we have no business building or expanding anything other than what we already have started.
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Posted: 7/15/2014 4:57 PM

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Until we stop getting beat by Alabama 52-0 in 2012 or South Carolina 52-7 in 2013, I am not going to spend a couple hundred bucks of hard earned money to go to DWRRS or War Memorial just to watch us get our brains beat in.  I can stay at home and watch that on the SEC network.  Call me a bandwagon fan but I prefer to believe in the quality of the product before I buy it.  When Eddie Sutton started winning, Frank Broyles found a way to expand Barnhill Fieldhouse into Barnhill Arena.  When Nolan Richardson started winning, he found a way to build Bud Walton Arena.  When John McDonell won National Championships, the Tyson Indoor Facility was built as well as a fabulous outdoor track stadium.  When Houston Nutt's 1998 team thrashed Alabama, JFB knew that Razorback Stadium had to be expanded - and it was.  The point is winning comes first then facilities not the other way around.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 12:15 PM

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You think the economy is fine right now? Everything else you say is invalid lol.

EDIT: It's very childish to suggest folks who disagree with you are bandwagon fans. Sheesh, try to keep it reasonable, man. 

talent1 wrote:
FoxMan2099 wrote: It remains an elite and classy stadium without the the north end zone being closed. Since the economy is stagnant and not poised to get hot again soon, prudence would dictate having plans in place for expansion (which there undoubtedly are) while also taking seriously the possibility that expensive tickets to live sporting events are going to increasingly be seen as a luxury and a hard-to-justify hit in the wallet for average joe out there. 

72K seats seems plenty for now, no?
Once again, I respectfully disagree. Is it an elite and classy stadium---YES, and we need to stay ahead of the Jones` I hadn't heard that the economy is currently stagnant, as a matter of fact, just the opposite. I know the plans are already in place, so I would go ahead, and get the funds available a.s.a.p. and get the project started, although that may be a year or two down the road, but 5-6 years down the road is too long.

The "W"s and the people are coming.

The bandwagon fans need to sh** or get off the pot. sorry.

Go Hogs!
Keep a light on . . . 
(In honor of "Fifty")

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Posted: 7/17/2014 2:14 AM

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I understand the arguments about winning first and filling the seats we have, but I must agree with talent on the ASAP issue, and here is why.

Since before DWRRS was expanded, I have attended the ever decreasing LR slate of games, plus at least two more games in Fayetteville, each year.  The Fayetteville tickets were associated with a friend who married well.  They were locate on the 40 yard line, about 10 rows above the field, right behind the team.  In a word, they were perfect.

I made two observations during that time. One is that some of our long time fans who are accustomed to sitting in the good seats must feel that their loyalty and financial support substitute for vocal support, because their actual participation, whether yelling, clapping, or standing, was just not what I was accustomed to seeing at WMS.

It always seemed odd to me that the loudest game fans of all were the folks from South Arkansas who considered it a privilege to sit at the top of the South endzone of WMS. But, that's just the way it is these days.  We have fans that pay for environmentally controlled seats that prevent any actual participation in the game. The opposition can just pretend they are not there
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The second biggest factor that bothered me about DWRRS was what I came to call "the Hole." From my perspective near the field and behind the team, I got a good sense of how the fan participation appeared to the players.  On my opposite side to the right, we had the band and the students facing us, great seats for the big screen at the other end, and two decks of fully enclosed stadium, complete with fans.

As we crossed midfield, however, all of the competitive advantage would wane.  Since the band faced the opposite side of the field instead of downfield, the fight song grew more faint as the team moved toward the big screen. More importantly,  the opponent's fans were seated on the opposite side of the field down to my left, directly adjacent to the red zone and across from the more sparsely populated segment of the stadium  Beyond that, there was nothing but "the hole."

I recall several games in which the opposing fans were able to provide more noise for their defense than we could generate at that same spot on the field.   It seemed that if bad things were going to happen, they happened in that general area, and the opposing fans behaved like they owned a part of the stadium.  The 10-3 loss to Auburn just after we had waxed Texas in Austin comes to mind.  The Jones fumble and the penalty on the Cobbs run happened near the Hole.  With each consecutive stand by their defense, the Auburn "hole" fans (A-holes), grew louder and louder.

Some may not agree with my views on crowd participation, but I think that fan noise during plays strikes fear in the hearts of great players and coaches and inspires our own players. While getting excited about a score and cheering in appreciation can be fun, the true test of being a fan is making noise in encouragement and anticipation of good things, not cheering after something good happens.

The Hole needs to be closed, or at a minimum, the opposing fans need to be moved somewhere else.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.     - Plato

Last edited 7/17/2014 2:17 AM by NostraHOGus

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Posted: 7/17/2014 9:08 AM

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NostraHOGus wrote: I understand the arguments about winning first and filling the seats we have, but I must agree with talent on the ASAP issue, and here is why.

Since before DWRRS was expanded, I have attended the ever decreasing LR slate of games, plus at least two more games in Fayetteville, each year.  The Fayetteville tickets were associated with a friend who married well.  They were locate on the 40 yard line, about 10 rows above the field, right behind the team.  In a word, they were perfect.

I made two observations during that time. One is that some of our long time fans who are accustomed to sitting in the good seats must feel that their loyalty and financial support substitute for vocal support, because their actual participation, whether yelling, clapping, or standing, was just not what I was accustomed to seeing at WMS.

It always seemed odd to me that the loudest game fans of all were the folks from South Arkansas who considered it a privilege to sit at the top of the South endzone of WMS. But, that's just the way it is these days.  We have fans that pay for environmentally controlled seats that prevent any actual participation in the game. The opposition can just pretend they are not there
.

The second biggest factor that bothered me about DWRRS was what I came to call "the Hole." From my perspective near the field and behind the team, I got a good sense of how the fan participation appeared to the players.  On my opposite side to the right, we had the band and the students facing us, great seats for the big screen at the other end, and two decks of fully enclosed stadium, complete with fans.

As we crossed midfield, however, all of the competitive advantage would wane.  Since the band faced the opposite side of the field instead of downfield, the fight song grew more faint as the team moved toward the big screen. More importantly,  the opponent's fans were seated on the opposite side of the field down to my left, directly adjacent to the red zone and across from the more sparsely populated segment of the stadium  Beyond that, there was nothing but "the hole."

I recall several games in which the opposing fans were able to provide more noise for their defense than we could generate at that same spot on the field.   It seemed that if bad things were going to happen, they happened in that general area, and the opposing fans behaved like they owned a part of the stadium.  The 10-3 loss to Auburn just after we had waxed Texas in Austin comes to mind.  The Jones fumble and the penalty on the Cobbs run happened near the Hole.  With each consecutive stand by their defense, the Auburn "hole" fans (A-holes), grew louder and louder.

Some may not agree with my views on crowd participation, but I think that fan noise during plays strikes fear in the hearts of great players and coaches and inspires our own players. While getting excited about a score and cheering in appreciation can be fun, the true test of being a fan is making noise in encouragement and anticipation of good things, not cheering after something good happens.

The Hole needs to be closed, or at a minimum, the opposing fans need to be moved somewhere else.

EXACTLY
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Posted: 7/17/2014 3:08 PM

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I'm traditionally not in support of spending to keep up with the Joneses. Closing in the North endzone has great benifit by increasing the intensity of the game environment. That's worth a few situational points and many turnovers, which increase time with ball in hand among other benifits.

I suspect an increase in ticket prices would soon follow because the brand of football that's been promised already would be more realistic. If AD Long can get it done without asking the fans to get on all four and milk us dry I'm 100% for it, but if AD Long sounds like somebody asking for more boarder money my is vote NO!

BHH,
Where I come from, you wear your team colors when supporting your team.

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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:32 PM

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See, that's reasonable, is there a way to get it done without pummeling the fans? I pretty much agree with this, Hip. Oh and welcome back sir!!!!

BaldHeadedHippy wrote: I'm traditionally not in support if spending to keep up with the Joneses. Closing in the North endzone has great benifit by increasing the intensity of the game environment. That's worth a few situational points and many turnovers, which increase time with ball in hand among other benifits.

I suspect an increase in ticket prices would soon follow because the brand of football that's been promised already would be more realistic. If AD Long can get it done without asking the fans to get on all four and milk us dry I'm 100% for it, but if AD Long sounds like somebody asking for more boarder money is vote NO!

BHH,
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:08 PM

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Thank you Fox.

Not for agreeing, but for the welcome back.

BHH,
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