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Posted: 6/29/2014 6:07 AM

Another Auburn Article-Keep it Simple 


Getting ready for the first game, ready to overcome the 24 point spread and go 1-0.  Here's another article on Auburn.  Reminds me of how Tex A&M ran off the same play about five times in a row against the Hogs last year.  
 

http://www.al.com/sports/index...lroy_break.html
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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:18 AM

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Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 

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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:16 AM

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When Steve Spurrier first went to Florida, he did exactly that, practice, practice, practice until the offensive unit was excellent. He changed Florida and IMO smart enough to realize when Nebraska overpowered them in what was the MNC of the time, he immediately hired a defensive coordinator to correct things and did and won big time.
Bobby at Arkansas I do believe did the same, practice, practice, practice offense and he did not fix his defense. 

There is no doubt in my mind that it will not be long before the defensive guys catchup and like the split T, Wishbone, Run and shoot and all others, the HUNH will fade into memory or be neutralized. In the end, balance will win.

That is why I loved the last Super Bowl.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:27 AM

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So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:00 AM

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Truth.  It always does.
bobrog4 wrote: When Steve Spurrier first went to Florida, he did exactly that, practice, practice, practice until the offensive unit was excellent. He changed Florida and IMO smart enough to realize when Nebraska overpowered them in what was the MNC of the time, he immediately hired a defensive coordinator to correct things and did and won big time.
Bobby at Arkansas I do believe did the same, practice, practice, practice offense and he did not fix his defense. 

There is no doubt in my mind that it will not be long before the defensive guys catchup and like the split T, Wishbone, Run and shoot and all others, the HUNH will fade into memory or be neutralized. In the end, balance will win.

That is why I loved the last Super Bowl.
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:12 AM

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It is no surprise that the defense is a step or two behind the offense.  It always has been and will be.  It is much, much easier for the offense to set up their plays, and options for plays in advance, so that they know they will run either X or Y depending on defensive set coming up. So all they have to do is run the play, run back to LOS or off the field for sub then line up. Defense has to see who is subbing or if/then sub themselves. By then the O is lining up and they must quickly try to get coverages/blitzes called. Defense will always be behind.  They have to create solid depth and sub via platoon system; bring in an entire DL for a few downs, some DB's maybe, so everyone can get some rest. That will come through solid recruiting, juco maybe.  If we could go 2-3 deep pretty much everywhere we would be in good shape.

IF.....   cool

bakedog19741 wrote: So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:59 AM

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Actually you are incorrect. I understand your point, BUT......
If the offense makes a substitution (even if it's only a WR) the umpire (by rule) has to stand over the ball until the defense is ready, which means they can sub and line up. Once again the rules are fair, the issue is Kirby Smart doesn't get to make his last minute signals after the offense audibles (reason Saban complains) and our coach is just hopping on Saban's bandwagon. The post I responded to basically says if an offense audibles then they shouldn't be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles, again how is that fair?


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It is no surprise that the defense is a step or two behind the offense.  It always has been and will be.  It is much, much easier for the offense to set up their plays, and options for plays in advance, so that they know they will run either X or Y depending on defensive set coming up. So all they have to do is run the play, run back to LOS or off the field for sub then line up. Defense has to see who is subbing or if/then sub themselves. By then the O is lining up and they must quickly try to get coverages/blitzes called. Defense will always be behind.  They have to create solid depth and sub via platoon system; bring in an entire DL for a few downs, some DB's maybe, so everyone can get some rest. That will come through solid recruiting, juco maybe.  If we could go 2-3 deep pretty much everywhere we would be in good shape.

IF.....   cool

bakedog19741 wrote: So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:46 PM

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I appreciate the fact that you like to call me wrong at every opportunity.  However, the rub of Beliema/Saban point was the fact that there was little/no time for defenses to sub when no huddle offenses were in effect also leaving them little/no time to audible their defensive calls.  Are there increased injuries from this?  They could not support that.  Will there be in the near future?  The coaches believe the potential is there.  I believe that was where their heart is.  We shall see where the numbers bear out.
Am I wrong? Frankly, I do not care...

bakedog19741 wrote: Actually you are incorrect. I understand your point, BUT......
If the offense makes a substitution (even if it's only a WR) the umpire (by rule) has to stand over the ball until the defense is ready, which means they can sub and line up. Once again the rules are fair, the issue is Kirby Smart doesn't get to make his last minute signals after the offense audibles (reason Saban complains) and our coach is just hopping on Saban's bandwagon. The post I responded to basically says if an offense audibles then they shouldn't be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles, again how is that fair?


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--- HawgnDos wrote:

It is no surprise that the defense is a step or two behind the offense.  It always has been and will be.  It is much, much easier for the offense to set up their plays, and options for plays in advance, so that they know they will run either X or Y depending on defensive set coming up. So all they have to do is run the play, run back to LOS or off the field for sub then line up. Defense has to see who is subbing or if/then sub themselves. By then the O is lining up and they must quickly try to get coverages/blitzes called. Defense will always be behind.  They have to create solid depth and sub via platoon system; bring in an entire DL for a few downs, some DB's maybe, so everyone can get some rest. That will come through solid recruiting, juco maybe.  If we could go 2-3 deep pretty much everywhere we would be in good shape.

IF.....   cool

bakedog19741 wrote: So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:01 PM

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I appreciate the fact you don't think you're wrong, but we don't know if CBB and Saban are correct, fact is they are using the health issues as an excuse. They're asking the rules committee to ban the next Manning.

Reason I say this, is what they are asking for is if Peyton Manning walks up to the line looks at the defense and audibles, he should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense has time to audible and says we are ready. That is a competitive advantage for the defense. They are using health concerns as an excuse to give the defense an unfair advantage. I know no one on here wants to admit that the coach is WRONG, but he's asking to give the defense a competitive advantage. That regardless of what he claims or what y'all believe is indeed what they are doing.


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--- HawgnDos wrote:

I appreciate the fact that you like to call me wrong at every opportunity.  However, the rub of Beliema/Saban point was the fact that there was little/no time for defenses to sub when no huddle offenses were in effect also leaving them little/no time to audible their defensive calls.  Are there increased injuries from this?  They could not support that.  Will there be in the near future?  The coaches believe the potential is there.  I believe that was where their heart is.  We shall see where the numbers bear out.
Am I wrong? Frankly, I do not care...

bakedog19741 wrote: Actually you are incorrect. I understand your point, BUT......
If the offense makes a substitution (even if it's only a WR) the umpire (by rule) has to stand over the ball until the defense is ready, which means they can sub and line up. Once again the rules are fair, the issue is Kirby Smart doesn't get to make his last minute signals after the offense audibles (reason Saban complains) and our coach is just hopping on Saban's bandwagon. The post I responded to basically says if an offense audibles then they shouldn't be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles, again how is that fair?


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--- HawgnDos wrote:

It is no surprise that the defense is a step or two behind the offense.  It always has been and will be.  It is much, much easier for the offense to set up their plays, and options for plays in advance, so that they know they will run either X or Y depending on defensive set coming up. So all they have to do is run the play, run back to LOS or off the field for sub then line up. Defense has to see who is subbing or if/then sub themselves. By then the O is lining up and they must quickly try to get coverages/blitzes called. Defense will always be behind.  They have to create solid depth and sub via platoon system; bring in an entire DL for a few downs, some DB's maybe, so everyone can get some rest. That will come through solid recruiting, juco maybe.  If we could go 2-3 deep pretty much everywhere we would be in good shape.

IF.....   cool

bakedog19741 wrote: So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 3:45 PM

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It is true that we don't know yet if CBB and Saban are correct. Time will tell. I think they were following their hunches as coaches and their years of experience.  They are trying, in my mind anyway, to be proactive rather than reactive. It is much like Saban telling the Alabama DOT that a particular stretch of highway is dangerous and needs guardrail. They send an engineer out to look it over and maybe do a traffic study. He reports back with his findings and it is determined that no guardrail is needed. A few weeks later a young family dies there that could have been saved by some guardrail. A few weeks after that the Alabama DOT sends a crew out to install guardrail there because it will save further lives.  Is the DOT liable for the deaths of the family? No, can't sue the state. But 99.99 times out of 100 they are reactive, and it usually due to costs, but in this case perhaps the NCAA needs more data, who knows? Does that mean someone or some more need to get hurt?

As far as banning Manning, I don't get it. 
bakedog19741 wrote: I appreciate the fact you don't think you're wrong, but we don't know if CBB and Saban are correct, fact is they are using the health issues as an excuse. They're asking the rules committee to ban the next Manning.

Reason I say this, is what they are asking for is if Peyton Manning walks up to the line looks at the defense and audibles, he should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense has time to audible and says we are ready. That is a competitive advantage for the defense. They are using health concerns as an excuse to give the defense an unfair advantage. I know no one on here wants to admit that the coach is WRONG, but he's asking to give the defense a competitive advantage. That regardless of what he claims or what y'all believe is indeed what they are doing.


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--- HawgnDos wrote:

I appreciate the fact that you like to call me wrong at every opportunity.  However, the rub of Beliema/Saban point was the fact that there was little/no time for defenses to sub when no huddle offenses were in effect also leaving them little/no time to audible their defensive calls.  Are there increased injuries from this?  They could not support that.  Will there be in the near future?  The coaches believe the potential is there.  I believe that was where their heart is.  We shall see where the numbers bear out.
Am I wrong? Frankly, I do not care...

bakedog19741 wrote: Actually you are incorrect. I understand your point, BUT......
If the offense makes a substitution (even if it's only a WR) the umpire (by rule) has to stand over the ball until the defense is ready, which means they can sub and line up. Once again the rules are fair, the issue is Kirby Smart doesn't get to make his last minute signals after the offense audibles (reason Saban complains) and our coach is just hopping on Saban's bandwagon. The post I responded to basically says if an offense audibles then they shouldn't be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles, again how is that fair?


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--- HawgnDos wrote:

It is no surprise that the defense is a step or two behind the offense.  It always has been and will be.  It is much, much easier for the offense to set up their plays, and options for plays in advance, so that they know they will run either X or Y depending on defensive set coming up. So all they have to do is run the play, run back to LOS or off the field for sub then line up. Defense has to see who is subbing or if/then sub themselves. By then the O is lining up and they must quickly try to get coverages/blitzes called. Defense will always be behind.  They have to create solid depth and sub via platoon system; bring in an entire DL for a few downs, some DB's maybe, so everyone can get some rest. That will come through solid recruiting, juco maybe.  If we could go 2-3 deep pretty much everywhere we would be in good shape.

IF.....   cool

bakedog19741 wrote: So, let me understand you. It's unfair for an offensive mind to play fast pace and not let the defensive mind have a chance to respond. Yet it'll be fair to impede the offense in order to let the defensive mind show off his ability? Isn't that still unfair? I'll bet you'll say no.


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--- Hogredblood wrote:

Several months ago there was another article posted about Malzhan's  genious . It described practices as repetition of a play again and again until the execution was flawless. This same principle is used in martial arts where muscle memory is honed by  perfecting forms. That level of precision given good athletes is hard to slow down much less stop. 

I am on board wuth CBB and CNS regarding a rules change to equalize the matchup between off/def. The defensive coordinators need the time between plays to display their preparation and genious.
 


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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:55 PM

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I think there are two philisophical camps that would declare the 10s rules change to be either fair or unfair.

Bakedog used a Peyton Manninig audible as an example. Rich Rodriguez stated that an offense has two advantages, knowing where the balls going and when. The defense has the advantage of moving all 11 men prior to the snap. The 10s proposal doesn't necessarily take the latter advantage away fron the offense. The when could take place anytime after the 10s.

It would only add (assuming 140 play average) about 12 minutes to the game.

I am of the camp that would say  the 10s rule change is fair. I don't care for trick plays. It's like pitching a baseball in the middle of a batters practice swing. A fair contest is where your best 11 players aline with my best 11 players using the stategies of their respective coaches with the outcome to be determined. 

Having said that , I think player safety may well be a concern.

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Posted: 6/29/2014 10:53 PM

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How did this thread get off track from the original post...lol?
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Posted: 6/30/2014 3:24 PM

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bakedog19741 wrote: 

They're asking the rules committee to ban the next Manning.

Reason I say this, is what they are asking for is if Peyton Manning walks up to the line looks at the defense and audibles, he should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense has time to audible and says we are ready. That is a competitive advantage for the defense.


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What is the competitive advantage for the defense? Banning Manning?  

Surely you are not saying that giving the D a couple of seconds to get set, gives them the advantage, are you?

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Posted: 6/30/2014 3:47 PM

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scootriteby wrote: How did this thread get off track from the original post...lol?

It was posted in the Lounge?noidea
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:06 PM

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scootriteby wrote: How did this thread get off track from the original post...lol?

It was posted in the Lounge?noidea

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Posted: 6/30/2014 6:15 PM

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Yes. Let me explain since some on here didn't get the Manning thing (your concentrating to much on Manning and not what I'm saying). Here we go:

I've been very critical of the coaching staff since the USCe game. I've said on here a number of times I was able to call the offensive plays on both teams to the point I pissed everyone around me off. This is why I'm saying it's an unfair advantage for the defense. I'll use one of the plays from that game. USCe was using a basic offense. They'd line up 8 men on the line, they'd have the 5 linemen, 2 TE's, then bring a RB up to behind the TE (in this case the right). They'd ran the same play for gains about 5 times, each time they ran and gained yardage. Well on this particular play they lined up and Gaines ran up to the OLB and told him to shift left. Gaines took a step back, and prepared for a run. Shaw audibled and threw a pass to right where Gaines had been prior to the defensive audible. Result TD Gamecocks. Now what Saban and CBB are saying is that was unfair and what should occur, is that when Shaw audibled, the offense should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles again. If you allow that to happen, it nullifies anything the offense tries. The result would be no one would ever score. Basically every game ends in a 0-0 tie.

This is why I used Manning as an example: this would mean that anytime Manning sees a weakness in a defense and tries to exploit it, he shouldn't be allowed to until the defense adjusts to his reads and says ok we are prepared for his audible now, let him snap it. That is a unfair advantage for the defense. That's what Saban and CBB are pushing for.


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bakedog19741 wrote: 

They're asking the rules committee to ban the next Manning.

Reason I say this, is what they are asking for is if Peyton Manning walks up to the line looks at the defense and audibles, he should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense has time to audible and says we are ready. That is a competitive advantage for the defense.


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huh.gif 

What is the competitive advantage for the defense? Banning Manning?  

Surely you are not saying that giving the D a couple of seconds to get set, gives them the advantage, are you?

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Posted: 6/30/2014 8:39 PM

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bakedog19741 wrote: Yes. Let me explain since some on here didn't get the Manning thing (your concentrating to much on Manning and not what I'm saying). Here we go:

I've been very critical of the coaching staff since the USCe game. I've said on here a number of times I was able to call the offensive plays on both teams to the point I pissed everyone around me off. This is why I'm saying it's an unfair advantage for the defense. I'll use one of the plays from that game. USCe was using a basic offense. They'd line up 8 men on the line, they'd have the 5 linemen, 2 TE's, then bring a RB up to behind the TE (in this case the right). They'd ran the same play for gains about 5 times, each time they ran and gained yardage. Well on this particular play they lined up and Gaines ran up to the OLB and told him to shift left. Gaines took a step back, and prepared for a run. Shaw audibled and threw a pass to right where Gaines had been prior to the defensive audible. Result TD Gamecocks. Now what Saban and CBB are saying is that was unfair and what should occur, is that when Shaw audibled, the offense should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles again. If you allow that to happen, it nullifies anything the offense tries. The result would be no one would ever score. Basically every game ends in a 0-0 tie.


Amazing. disbelief

No one is saying offenses can't audible.  They don't need 30 seconds to audible.  What these HUNH teams are doing is hurrying to the line to limit down and distance substitution by the defense, then wasting 20 seconds while they stand at the line, meerkat around and get the call from the sidelines.  If they want to HUNH, they should be required to snap the ball within 10 seconds of getting to the line of scrimmage.  Plenty of time to audible.  The advantage isn't in the audible, it's in the inability of defenses to adjust for down and distance.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:14 PM

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hawg66 wrote:
bakedog19741 wrote: Yes. Let me explain since some on here didn't get the Manning thing (your concentrating to much on Manning and not what I'm saying). Here we go:

I've been very critical of the coaching staff since the USCe game. I've said on here a number of times I was able to call the offensive plays on both teams to the point I pissed everyone around me off. This is why I'm saying it's an unfair advantage for the defense. I'll use one of the plays from that game. USCe was using a basic offense. They'd line up 8 men on the line, they'd have the 5 linemen, 2 TE's, then bring a RB up to behind the TE (in this case the right). They'd ran the same play for gains about 5 times, each time they ran and gained yardage. Well on this particular play they lined up and Gaines ran up to the OLB and told him to shift left. Gaines took a step back, and prepared for a run. Shaw audibled and threw a pass to right where Gaines had been prior to the defensive audible. Result TD Gamecocks. Now what Saban and CBB are saying is that was unfair and what should occur, is that when Shaw audibled, the offense should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles again. If you allow that to happen, it nullifies anything the offense tries. The result would be no one would ever score. Basically every game ends in a 0-0 tie.


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No one is saying offenses can't audible.  They don't need 30 seconds to audible.  What these HUNH teams are doing is hurrying to the line to limit down and distance substitution by the defense, then wasting 20 seconds while they stand at the line, meerkat around and get the call from the sidelines.  If they want to HUNH, they should be required to snap the ball within 10 seconds of getting to the line of scrimmage.  Plenty of time to audible.  The advantage isn't in the audible, it's in the inability of defenses to adjust for down and distance.
66 gets it.  Me thinks that you are so busy trying to beat your own drum and prove anyone and everyone wrong, that you don't get it at all.  CNS nor CBB never complained about the offense  calling audibles, they complaint was the HUNH didn't allow the defense the opportunity to substitute.

I think the HUNH is a misnomer.  The only hurrying is to get to the line of scrimmage and then stand around while the coaches signal in a play, thus preventing the defense from sending in subs for fear of being penalized for too many men on the field.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:26 PM

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Me beat my drum. 66 just proved my point. The defense has plenty of time to sub, and if they don't they have plenty of time to rest between snaps. Thanks 66, you are so busy trying to talk out your arse that you proved my point for me. Bake 1 the lounge 0 (actually it more like 100 to 0) thanks again


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hawg66 wrote:
bakedog19741 wrote: Yes. Let me explain since some on here didn't get the Manning thing (your concentrating to much on Manning and not what I'm saying). Here we go:

I've been very critical of the coaching staff since the USCe game. I've said on here a number of times I was able to call the offensive plays on both teams to the point I pissed everyone around me off. This is why I'm saying it's an unfair advantage for the defense. I'll use one of the plays from that game. USCe was using a basic offense. They'd line up 8 men on the line, they'd have the 5 linemen, 2 TE's, then bring a RB up to behind the TE (in this case the right). They'd ran the same play for gains about 5 times, each time they ran and gained yardage. Well on this particular play they lined up and Gaines ran up to the OLB and told him to shift left. Gaines took a step back, and prepared for a run. Shaw audibled and threw a pass to right where Gaines had been prior to the defensive audible. Result TD Gamecocks. Now what Saban and CBB are saying is that was unfair and what should occur, is that when Shaw audibled, the offense should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles again. If you allow that to happen, it nullifies anything the offense tries. The result would be no one would ever score. Basically every game ends in a 0-0 tie.


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No one is saying offenses can't audible.  They don't need 30 seconds to audible.  What these HUNH teams are doing is hurrying to the line to limit down and distance substitution by the defense, then wasting 20 seconds while they stand at the line, meerkat around and get the call from the sidelines.  If they want to HUNH, they should be required to snap the ball within 10 seconds of getting to the line of scrimmage.  Plenty of time to audible.  The advantage isn't in the audible, it's in the inability of defenses to adjust for down and distance.
66 gets it.  Me thinks that you are so busy trying to beat your own drum and prove anyone and everyone wrong, that you don't get it at all.  CNS nor CBB never complained about the offense  calling audibles, they complaint was the HUNH didn't allow the defense the opportunity to substitute.

I think the HUNH is a misnomer.  The only hurrying is to get to the line of scrimmage and then stand around while the coaches signal in a play, thus preventing the defense from sending in subs for fear of being penalized for too many men on the field.

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No.  No comparison between what you said about "Manning" and what 66 said about the HUNH.  Two complete different situations.  CBB and Saban have never once said a word about the audible, not once.  The current actions of the HUNH, that's another story.
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bakedog19741 wrote: Me beat my drum. 66 just proved my point. The defense has plenty of time to sub, and if they don't they have plenty of time to rest between snaps. Thanks 66, you are so busy trying to talk out your arse that you proved my point for me. Bake 1 the lounge 0 (actually it more like 100 to 0) thanks again


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bakedog19741 wrote: Yes. Let me explain since some on here didn't get the Manning thing (your concentrating to much on Manning and not what I'm saying). Here we go:

I've been very critical of the coaching staff since the USCe game. I've said on here a number of times I was able to call the offensive plays on both teams to the point I pissed everyone around me off. This is why I'm saying it's an unfair advantage for the defense. I'll use one of the plays from that game. USCe was using a basic offense. They'd line up 8 men on the line, they'd have the 5 linemen, 2 TE's, then bring a RB up to behind the TE (in this case the right). They'd ran the same play for gains about 5 times, each time they ran and gained yardage. Well on this particular play they lined up and Gaines ran up to the OLB and told him to shift left. Gaines took a step back, and prepared for a run. Shaw audibled and threw a pass to right where Gaines had been prior to the defensive audible. Result TD Gamecocks. Now what Saban and CBB are saying is that was unfair and what should occur, is that when Shaw audibled, the offense should not be allowed to snap the ball until the defense audibles again. If you allow that to happen, it nullifies anything the offense tries. The result would be no one would ever score. Basically every game ends in a 0-0 tie.


Amazing. disbelief

No one is saying offenses can't audible.  They don't need 30 seconds to audible.  What these HUNH teams are doing is hurrying to the line to limit down and distance substitution by the defense, then wasting 20 seconds while they stand at the line, meerkat around and get the call from the sidelines.  If they want to HUNH, they should be required to snap the ball within 10 seconds of getting to the line of scrimmage.  Plenty of time to audible.  The advantage isn't in the audible, it's in the inability of defenses to adjust for down and distance.
66 gets it.  Me thinks that you are so busy trying to beat your own drum and prove anyone and everyone wrong, that you don't get it at all.  CNS nor CBB never complained about the offense  calling audibles, they complaint was the HUNH didn't allow the defense the opportunity to substitute.

I think the HUNH is a misnomer.  The only hurrying is to get to the line of scrimmage and then stand around while the coaches signal in a play, thus preventing the defense from sending in subs for fear of being penalized for too many men on the field.

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