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“a cartel that creates a price-fixing scheme among its members”

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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:10 PM

“a cartel that creates a price-fixing scheme among its members” 


Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....

Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about

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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:23 PM

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NCAA sets the price at zero...ouch.  The truth does hurt.

MudvilleSwine wrote: Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:51 AM

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MudvilleSwine wrote: Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....
What happens around this?

$20M Settlement
Keep a light on some patrols are still out! - RIP over50hog
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:18 AM

“a cartel that creates a price-fixing scheme among its members” 


"Noll contends that NCAA members conspire to fix the price for players’ names, images and likenesses at zero. He testified that the NCAA engages in cartel-like behavior by restricting competition, primarily due to the fact that schools cannot be NCAA members unless they agree to abide by the alleged price fixing."


Boy oh boy!  This "ALLEGED" price fixing!  biggrin  That line really cracks me up! 

I guess we could call this a "War on AMATEUR Athletics"!  tongue

Keep a light on some patrols are still out! tribute to Over50Hog

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Posted: 6/10/2014 9:04 AM

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The SEC and the money conferences see the handwriting on the wall.  They know that making arguments about "student athletes" and "integrity of the game" are not going to carry the day.  This is a multi-billion dollar business, and schools like Arkansas are not hurting for cash in their athletic departments.

The best solution I can think of to help the student athlete involves a concept that is already commonly implemented among regular students, and that is basing scholarship awards upon "the actual cost of attendance."

For instance, let's say a student gets a full ride, tuition and room and board, to a school like ASU.  It's pretty reasonable for in-state students.  That scholarship is worth about $56,000.00 over 4 years.

Same student now gets the Governor's Distinguished Scholarship, which is 10k a year, but the state has a rule that says the state gets back any portion of the scuolarship that, when combined with other scholarships, exceeds the "actual cost of attendance."

Both the state and federal government acknowledge that  little Johnny won't make it with just food, a roof, and tuition, so they calculate other items into what it costs to attend a particular school full time.  At ASU, even with full room, board, and tuition approximating $14,000 a year, the state recognizes the actual cost of attendance as $21,500.00 annually.  The biggest item on that list is an allowance for transportation costs.

So, the kid who already had a "full ride" gets to keep $7,500.00 of the GDS, with the rest going back to the state.

The biggest inequity for a student athlete of limited financial means is that there is no possible opportunity to earn some pocket money.  A regular student, on the other had, can work 15 to 20 hours a week and still meet his obligations.

So for schools that can afford it, increasing scholarships to actual cost of attendance would be the easiest approach to letting some of the money flow back to the athletes that are producing the money.
This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.”  - Charles Dickens
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Posted: 6/10/2014 10:57 AM

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HawgnDos wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....
What happens around this?

$20M Settlement
Well, after Mud and Nostra hold out costs and attornies' fees, the class (O'Bannon and etal)
will receive a share of remaining funds, which should come up to about 0.17cents apiece.

 After-which, Mud and Nostra will sue Scout for changing the sites and causing pain and mental anguish to the general fans that visit these boards so we don't have to spend our lives on facebook.eek

Isn't this country great.biggrin
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Posted: 6/10/2014 11:37 AM

This one has more traction 


The O'Bannon case is all well and good but this recent Jeffrey Kessler filing in Jenkins v. NCAA contains an even bigger bomb.  If anything will cause the break up of the NCAA, this is it.  It has legs.  We are just a few months away from the NCAA being a thing of the past and the power conferences forming their own organization.  Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 12:32 PM

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MudvilleSwine wrote: The O'Bannon case is all well and good but this recent Jeffrey Kessler filing in Jenkins v. NCAA contains an even bigger bomb.  If anything will cause the break up of the NCAA, this is it.  It has legs.  We are just a few months away from the NCAA being a thing of the past and the power conferences forming their own organization.  Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.
You know a Complaint is serious when it's 45 pages with no attachments.

Go Hogs.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:20 PM

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DallasRazorback wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: The O'Bannon case is all well and good but this recent Jeffrey Kessler filing in Jenkins v. NCAA contains an even bigger bomb.  If anything will cause the break up of the NCAA, this is it.  It has legs.  We are just a few months away from the NCAA being a thing of the past and the power conferences forming their own organization.  Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.
You know a Complaint is serious when it's 45 pages with no attachments.
Sounds alot like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me.  Reform is needed, but that suit sounds like it wants a remedy of every man for himself.  Might as well remove the schools from the equation.  Let the colleges sell their name for a franchise fee, and run the football and basketball teams as pure business enterprises.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:34 PM

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If I am reading it right, the suit excludes the Military Academies and Ivy League schools and their athletes.

Could we see some (or even many) schools return to that model if this suit progresses to a desirable conclusion for the plaintiffs?

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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:44 PM

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You may well be right but let's not pretend like it hasn't been predicated by the complete ineptitude and down right corruption exhibited by the NCAA over the last 3-4 decades.
hawg66 wrote:
DallasRazorback wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: The O'Bannon case is all well and good but this recent Jeffrey Kessler filing in Jenkins v. NCAA contains an even bigger bomb.  If anything will cause the break up of the NCAA, this is it.  It has legs.  We are just a few months away from the NCAA being a thing of the past and the power conferences forming their own organization.  Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.
You know a Complaint is serious when it's 45 pages with no attachments.
Sounds alot like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me.  Reform is needed, but that suit sounds like it wants a remedy of every man for himself.  Might as well remove the schools from the equation.  Let the colleges sell their name for a franchise fee, and run the football and basketball teams as pure business enterprises.

Go Hogs.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 3:20 PM

OK, Mud.... 


too many whereas, and why fors to read that.  You got the Cliff note version for me, Ramblin, Dos and broeric?redface
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Posted: 6/10/2014 4:07 PM

Re: OK, Mud.... 



worldseriesofPorker wrote: too many whereas, and why fors to read that.  You got the Cliff note version for me, Ramblin, Dos and broeric?redface

Dudes in suits arguing over money.

The best clients on the planet... wink

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Posted: 6/10/2014 5:32 PM

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--- MudvilleSwine wrote:


worldseriesofPorker wrote: too many whereas, and why fors to read that.  You got the Cliff note version for me, Ramblin, Dos and broeric?redface

Dudes in suits arguing over money.

The best clients on the planet... wink

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That's funny right there. I'm still laughing.





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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:37 AM

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HawgnDos wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....
What happens around this?

$20M Settlement
All class action lawsuits are for the benefit of the attorneys. The $20M dettlement means the attorneys receive 10 percent or $2 million and then they are happy and done with the lawsuit. The athletes receive nothing. In order for an athletic to receive part of the so callled $20M settlement, he must file a claim, fill out all the complicated paperwork or hire an attorney which will cost far more than he receives.  Therefore, none will file a claim that requires him to receive payment..

The attorneys love it because they get 10 percent and the other side loves it because the aggrements are written in such a mannor that the 10% for the attorneys is all that is paid out.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 1:16 PM

Re: OK, Mud.... 



MudvilleSwine wrote:
worldseriesofPorker wrote: too many whereas, and why fors to read that.  You got the Cliff note version for me, Ramblin, Dos and broeric?redface

Dudes in suits arguing over money.

The best clients on the planet... wink

And its like the national debt clock. The more they argue the more it racks up coin for Mud.biggrin
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:18 PM

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This whole thing about unionizing, paying players is ridiculous. They already get the benefit of a free education, free room and board, free meal vouchers. If they want to be treated like the NFL, then have the NCAA/NFL do away with the requirement of having to go to college and let them try out right out of high school. I'm sorry I'm just totally against this whole thing.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:38 PM

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Cynical and funny but also incorrect.

The lawyers get 30%.cool
logic wrote:
HawgnDos wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: Strong stuff from Dr. Roger Noll

Famous cartels - OPEC, Los Zetas, the NCAA....
What happens around this?

$20M Settlement
All class action lawsuits are for the benefit of the attorneys. The $20M dettlement means the attorneys receive 10 percent or $2 million and then they are happy and done with the lawsuit. The athletes receive nothing. In order for an athletic to receive part of the so callled $20M settlement, he must file a claim, fill out all the complicated paperwork or hire an attorney which will cost far more than he receives.  Therefore, none will file a claim that requires him to receive payment..

The attorneys love it because they get 10 percent and the other side loves it because the aggrements are written in such a mannor that the 10% for the attorneys is all that is paid out.

Go Hogs.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 3:45 PM

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The Defendants and their member institutions have lost their way far down the road of commercialism, signing multi-billion dollar contracts wholly disconnected from the interests of “student athletes,” who are barred from receiving the benefits of competitive markets for their services even though their services generate these massive revenues.

The author of the lawsuit Mud mentioned writes wonderfully, IMHO.  While short and plain declarative sentences, written in standard subject-verb form, hold an important place in the world of effective communication, the appropriate use of modifying phrases can take the elegance of a simple truth and drive it home like a hypodermic needle delivering a desperately needed antidote.

While we may argue over just how "lost" the NCAA and its member institutions have become or the legal significance of their current location, there is not much disputing the accuracy of the overall sentiment expressed by the sentence quoted above. I think this is why the power conferences are interested in seeking relief from NCAA rules that prevent  providing benefits that other schools cannot afford.  They might as well be saying, "Please let us feed the goose that lays the golden egg!"
This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased.”  - Charles Dickens
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Posted: 6/11/2014 5:17 PM

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hawg66 wrote:
DallasRazorback wrote:
MudvilleSwine wrote: The O'Bannon case is all well and good but this recent Jeffrey Kessler filing in Jenkins v. NCAA contains an even bigger bomb.  If anything will cause the break up of the NCAA, this is it.  It has legs.  We are just a few months away from the NCAA being a thing of the past and the power conferences forming their own organization.  Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen.
You know a Complaint is serious when it's 45 pages with no attachments.
Sounds alot like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me.  Reform is needed, but that suit sounds like it wants a remedy of every man for himself.  Might as well remove the schools from the equation.  Let the colleges sell their name for a franchise fee, and run the football and basketball teams as pure business enterprises.
Have you been cheating? Like using a time machine or something?

Seriously though, that scenario is not as far fetched as some would like to believe.  What keeps college athletics alive is the support of the alumni, alienate enough of the alumni then the fruit will die on the vine.
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