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Posted: 6/8/2014 8:19 AM

USA Today's analysis.... 


gets a level-headed analysis from Doc Harper.

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Posted: 6/8/2014 11:25 AM

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Where the heck does Doc come off trying to lay a little factual knowledge on the kind of folks who follow USA Today?  After reading three or four consecutive points that sounded fairly accurate and reasonable, I nearly stopped reading for fear that I might learn something.  Nothing screws with conventional wisdom more than a few well founded conclusions based upon facts that evolve from newly acquired information.

I didn't really see the issue about Collins, though.  I realize that many observers feel he made less progress in the off season than Williams or Marshall, but I still think he has the biggest upside, both as a Razorback and at the next level. Plus, since he was such a high profile recruit (the kind we haven't always gotten in places like Florida), his ultimate success could establish a pipeline to more players of that caliber.

I think there is a chance the offense could be productive enough to give all our running backs quality touches, including by catching passes out of the backfield, hopefully without asking too much too soon from Allen.  A little confidence on his part could go a long way. A little bit of a Gus/HDN hybrid offense, like the kind that produced the 10 game win streak with McFadden, Jones, and Hillis, could help win several more games this year.

By the way, when we evaluate the kind of talent Petrino won with, it is crazy not to consider the incredible Arkansas talent that passed through during his time here. Warren and CAC alone produced 5 wide receivers and tight ends that eventually signed an NFL contract, but the state just does not produce that kind of talent on a regular basis, especially concentrated in such a particular area. Combined with Mallett and Wilson, those players formed a potent nucleus of what Coach Bielema says he expected to find more of when he got here. I think it  is fair to say we have missed every single one of them.

So when people say Petrino could do more with the 3 stars he brought in at certain positions, I'm not sure he has coached anywhere long enough to establish anything, except that he was not a major recruiter on a national level.
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Posted: 6/8/2014 11:19 PM

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And all without mentioning the offensive line. The conventional wisdom has always been that the offensive line must be sound and deep for success, no matter what type of offense is being run. Bielema has been bringing in consistently better talent than we have ever seen, at least for the relatively small sample so far (two recruiting classes with one pending). With great o-line play an average quarterback has a chance, as long as he doesn't dive into the endzone on his shoulder, rendering it unusable.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:18 AM

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Good read.  Some valid points.  The Gus to Bret comparison is simply ridiculous.  It only works if you are really not interested in being intellectually honest at all.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 7:22 AM

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NostraHOGus wrote: Where the heck does Doc come off trying to lay a little factual knowledge on the kind of folks who follow USA Today?  After reading three or four consecutive points that sounded fairly accurate and reasonable, I nearly stopped reading for fear that I might learn something.  Nothing screws with conventional wisdom more than a few well founded conclusions based upon facts that evolve from newly acquired information.

I didn't really see the issue about Collins, though.  I realize that many observers feel he made less progress in the off season than Williams or Marshall, but I still think he has the biggest upside, both as a Razorback and at the next level. Plus, since he was such a high profile recruit (the kind we haven't always gotten in places like Florida), his ultimate success could establish a pipeline to more players of that caliber.

I think there is a chance the offense could be productive enough to give all our running backs quality touches, including by catching passes out of the backfield, hopefully without asking too much too soon from Allen.  A little confidence on his part could go a long way. A little bit of a Gus/HDN hybrid offense, like the kind that produced the 10 game win streak with McFadden, Jones, and Hillis, could help win several more games this year.

By the way, when we evaluate the kind of talent Petrino won with, it is crazy not to consider the incredible Arkansas talent that passed through during his time here. Warren and CAC alone produced 5 wide receivers and tight ends that eventually signed an NFL contract, but the state just does not produce that kind of talent on a regular basis, especially concentrated in such a particular area. Combined with Mallett and Wilson, those players formed a potent nucleus of what Coach Bielema says he expected to find more of when he got here. I think it  is fair to say we have missed every single one of them.

So when people say Petrino could do more with the 3 stars he brought in at certain positions, I'm not sure he has coached anywhere long enough to establish anything, except that he was not a major recruiter on a national level.
I said last year that I would like Marshall and Williams to get more touches.  I still want that.  But even if Collins doesn't improve at all, we're talking about a guy that rushed for over 1000 yards and averaged 5.4 yards a carry as a freshman in the SEC.  He'll be fine.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:02 AM

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The only issue that I really had with the USA Today piece was that they had us at #89.  I would put even money up that we would have won the Sun Belt last season so how they have a Sun Belt team ahead of us is nonsense.  Not all 3-9s are created equal.  Most of the other stuff was about what I would expect from an outsider looking in.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 6:37 PM

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I will disagree with you about Gus and Bret. It is difficult to try to compare except to try and put them both in the exact same situation. Clearly Gus walked into a situation somewhat set up for him by his own previous recruiting at Auburn and that helped a great deal with his success. Bret on the other hand stepped into a conversely disastrous situation. 
If Gus were given the same situation here and same recruits I believe he would have much the same difficulties Bret had. We certainly wouldn't have been playing for a NC. I don't think we would even be bowling. JMHO.
broeric wrote: Good read.  Some valid points.  The Gus to Bret comparison is simply ridiculous.  It only works if you are really not interested in being intellectually honest at all.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 8:01 PM

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HawgnDos wrote: I will disagree with you about Gus and Bret. It is difficult to try to compare except to try and put them both in the exact same situation. Clearly Gus walked into a situation somewhat set up for him by his own previous recruiting at Auburn and that helped a great deal with his success. Bret on the other hand stepped into a conversely disastrous situation. 
If Gus were given the same situation here and same recruits I believe he would have much the same difficulties Bret had. We certainly wouldn't have been playing for a NC. I don't think we would even be bowling. JMHO.
broeric wrote: Good read.  Some valid points.  The Gus to Bret comparison is simply ridiculous.  It only works if you are really not interested in being intellectually honest at all.

I think maybe you guys are agreeing with one another.
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Posted: 6/9/2014 11:23 PM

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hawg66 wrote:
HawgnDos wrote: I will disagree with you about Gus and Bret. It is difficult to try to compare except to try and put them both in the exact same situation. Clearly Gus walked into a situation somewhat set up for him by his own previous recruiting at Auburn and that helped a great deal with his success. Bret on the other hand stepped into a conversely disastrous situation. 
If Gus were given the same situation here and same recruits I believe he would have much the same difficulties Bret had. We certainly wouldn't have been playing for a NC. I don't think we would even be bowling. JMHO.
broeric wrote: Good read.  Some valid points.  The Gus to Bret comparison is simply ridiculous.  It only works if you are really not interested in being intellectually honest at all.

I think maybe you guys are agreeing with one another.

Yep. wink 

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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:39 AM

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You know preachers always like to twist words around...I guess I was cornfused...  confused

broeric wrote:
hawg66 wrote:
HawgnDos wrote: I will disagree with you about Gus and Bret. It is difficult to try to compare except to try and put them both in the exact same situation. Clearly Gus walked into a situation somewhat set up for him by his own previous recruiting at Auburn and that helped a great deal with his success. Bret on the other hand stepped into a conversely disastrous situation. 
If Gus were given the same situation here and same recruits I believe he would have much the same difficulties Bret had. We certainly wouldn't have been playing for a NC. I don't think we would even be bowling. JMHO.
broeric wrote: Good read.  Some valid points.  The Gus to Bret comparison is simply ridiculous.  It only works if you are really not interested in being intellectually honest at all.

I think maybe you guys are agreeing with one another.

Yep. wink 

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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:27 AM

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HawgnDos wrote: You know preachers always like to twist words around...I guess I was cornfused...  confused

Is that in Nebraska?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:29 AM

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broeric wrote:
HawgnDos wrote: You know preachers always like to twist words around...I guess I was cornfused...  confused

Is that in Nebraska?
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Posted: 6/10/2014 1:09 PM

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Finally seeing some levelheadedness on this board.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 1:14 PM

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byates21 wrote: Finally seeing some levelheadedness on this board.
So the board is levelheaded when they post something you agree with...color me surprisedrolleyes.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 2:13 PM

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Yeah that's exactly what I mean geez, some people. What I mean is no one is saying we should fire CBB after 1 season anymore and people are stating more positive issues instead of negative ones. Why is it people have to read so much into one statement. 
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Posted: 6/10/2014 7:57 PM

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cool

Welcome to my world

byates21 wrote: Yeah that's exactly what I mean geez, some people. What I mean is no one is saying we should fire CBB after 1 season anymore and people are stating more positive issues instead of negative ones. Why is it people have to read so much into one statement. 
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Posted: 6/11/2014 12:03 AM

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EuroHog wrote: And all without mentioning the offensive line. The conventional wisdom has always been that the offensive line must be sound and deep for success, no matter what type of offense is being run. Bielema has been bringing in consistently better talent than we have ever seen, at least for the relatively small sample so far (two recruiting classes with one pending). With great o-line play an average quarterback has a chance, as long as he doesn't dive into the endzone on his shoulder, rendering it unusable.
Whoever the current coach is, he is the best recruiter until he leaves and then he leaves us with nothing so he was a poor recruiter.  When Petrino arrived, it was said, Nutt left him nothing, However, every year he improved over the prior year which most fans claimed proved Petrino was an outstanding recruiter. However, after Petrino left the claim is he left us without talent.  Therefore, Petrino was a great recruiter with great recruiting classes while he was here but a lousy recruiter with poor recruiting classes after he left.
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Posted: 6/11/2014 11:41 AM

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What a boring world we would live in if everyone's opinion was the same. Possibly that is why HI is so slow these days.devil
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Posted: 6/11/2014 6:23 PM

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HawgnDos wrote: cool

Welcome to my world

byates21 wrote: Yeah that's exactly what I mean geez, some people. What I mean is no one is saying we should fire CBB after 1 season anymore and people are stating more positive issues instead of negative ones. Why is it people have to read so much into one statement. 

OH - so now it's YOUR world.  I guess the rest of us are just living in it.  Guess we should just be grateful to be in YOUR world. 

like that?

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Posted: 6/11/2014 7:00 PM

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I could tell you why but I would get attacked again...
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