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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:51 AM

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To preface - I am not a hater.  I have been a Hog fan for almost 45 yrs.  Just to ask a few questions to spark discussion.

1.  What are the expectations of a Razorback fan?  We are being asked to continually pay higher prices for inferior teams.  We are being told to continue to be patient.  One of the radio shows this morning said it could be another 6 years before we are really competetive?

2.  How do we judge the success of the AD.  Baseball is OK but Van Horn was here when Long came.  Track is track and lets be honest everyone gets a short liv!ed excitement when they win a championship but do they realy follow.  Example - Name 5 current track athletes!

Again - not a hater i will always support but should we continually follow blindly with our suport both financial and presence as the talk shows seem to suggest.

NW AR recently has reached the half million population.  We should realize that part of this is the relocation of a lot of people from other parts of the country that do not and have not been Razorback fans.  We certainly have not put teams on the field to win them over.

3.  If UA wants to continue to blast music over the PA before both footbal and basketball to please the students maybe they should rely on the students for financial support.  In my years of following the hogs the students are above all, most fickle.

Posted: 6/3/2014 8:58 AM

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The students are the only reason Arkansas had a home crowd at Bud Walton for years.

The AD's job is to raise money and hire coaches, basically.  Long has done very well at both.  My expectations are to see a team that competes in the SEC for wins and titles.  Too early to judge Bielema, one way or the other.  I do think Mike Anderson has the basketball program on the upswing.

I don't think we should blindly support the school, but blind support is 100 times better than blind hatred, which seems to be getting all too common.

Posted: 6/3/2014 9:17 AM

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I don't disagree with the hatred comments.  I actually heard a caller yesterday comment on needing to fire Van Horn.  REALLY???

I also recall MANY years that you could not pay students to go to football games.  Now its like the exhibit undying support.

Posted: 6/3/2014 9:50 AM

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It has been my observation that students are the most fickle of all fans. This appears to be universal truth and thus not a major concern.

As an Arkansan  there is a source of great pride when our small states ambassador, the UofA, is not only competitive  but wins championships from time to time.

I think part of the criteria should always be whether the current administration is producing a product which conforms to the ideal, student athlete, who performs well in the classroom, off the field as well as on. Personally I don't think we should sacrifice honor for the sake of winning.

Having said that, it certainly appears that the current administration is attempting to follow these core values. It will take a little time as with all worthy causes to evaluate the results.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 9:52 AM

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I'm not sure this generation of students are big sports fans.  Could be troublesome for the future, when the older groups of givers and goers pass.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 9:56 AM

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You can be a very good Razorback fan and not give them a dime. There are thousands of fans who do not have money to donate or pay for tickets. Being a devoted fan of any team does not require money.

However, all schools need money and that is the job of people like Long, raise the money needed. If you have the money for facilities and salaries, then the coaches must produce winners on the field to be considered a successful program.

So like most things in life, balance is necessary.

And I do think Arkansas is doing fine and has done well since entering the SEC and the future looks good from my viewpoint. But remember schools like Notre Dame have bad streaks, I can remember when Alabama was terrible and Georgia was getting kicked around.  And until Spurrier took over as coach, Florida was a joke.

So I think we, including Long, are on the right track.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:13 AM

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1.  What are the expectations of a Razorback fan?  We are being asked to continually pay higher prices for inferior teams.  We are being told to continue to be patient.  One of the radio shows this morning said it could be another 6 years before we are really competitive?

I expect us to compete and get better until we win a NC period and all of the programs are doing just that. This years Basketball team will be the best we have put on the floor in almost 20 years. The baseball team will be loaded as well. The football team has a bigger hole to dig out of but this years recruiting class looks to be the best in recent memory maybe ever! an I think we go bowling this year!


2.  How do we judge the success of the AD.  Baseball is OK but Van Horn was here when Long came.  Track is track and lets be honest everyone gets a short liv!ed excitement when they win a championship but do they realy follow.  Example - Name 5 current track athletes!

Again - not a hater i will always support but should we continually follow blindly with our suport both financial and presence as the talk shows seem to suggest.

NW AR recently has reached the half million population.  We should realize that part of this is the relocation of a lot of people from other parts of the country that do not and have not been Razorback fans.  We certainly have not put teams on the field to win them over.

We just went to a Sugar bowl what 4 years ago and Cotton Bowl 3 years ago, just knocked out of the regional in Baseball and loading up for next year.  Basketball NIT and looks very good this year for the NCAA.  Like you said that doesn't even count track so you need to review a bit.  Worth complaining about?


3.  If UA wants to continue to blast music over the PA before both footbal and basketball to please the students maybe they should rely on the students for financial support.  In my years of following the hogs the students are above all, most fickle.

Enthusiasm sales and the student provide that plus their your future. They will be the ones that sale the program and add the excitement. Let's face it when they show a game on TV they don't show us old folks clapping they show kids jumping up and down. 

I don't think your a hater just letting a few down years jade your view. There are about 200 schools that would love to have our down years. 




Posted: 6/3/2014 11:02 AM

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I believe that is a correct statement, however this generation is different on a whole host of social traditions probably best discussed on another forum.
hawg66 wrote: I'm not sure this generation of students are big sports fans.  Could be troublesome for the future, when the older groups of givers and goers pass.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:32 AM

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1.    Basketball - probably 2nd tier;   BB - very competitive;  track - wonderful;  Gals sports - average; 

         and FOOTBALL -  on our present course, I expect us to field a strong team after the mold of Alabama & Georgia but not with their caliber of athletes.  

2.   Good hires, good judgment, success with what he has - not dollars that he raises.     

3.   Student athletics are supposed to be about students and alum.    Time to recruit future alum.
       Kinda reminds me of a church - got to appeal to the uncommitted too.   The balancing act is tough.

Posted: 6/3/2014 12:05 PM

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I don't think i'm jaded at all.  Check the records.   More down years than up in the past 20.  You realize it has been 20 years since  Scotty hit the big three to win NC?

Why should we settle for 1-2 good years followed by 4-5 rebuilding.

I have spent thousands over the years supporting.

Don't associate enthusiasm of the student with the desire to be on TV.  Most of them are not even watching the game but they are working their thumbs on their cell phones.  If they are my future then i am in deep trouble!
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Posted: 6/3/2014 12:16 PM

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The big deal to me is that we seem to have some momentum. We poached a football coach from one of the more solid and consistent big time programs over the last two decades, and we poached CMA from a job that has a fine hoops history as well as a hot program when he was there. 

It comes down to this, there is momentum with these hires and potential because of CBB's body of work at Wisky and CMA's consistent improvement (like increasing wins and starting to win on the road a bit). So really Jeff Long's fortunes will rise or fall depending on how this momentum and potential pans out. Sort of like our vehicle, it has 31K miles so I really can't tell you if it's a lemon or an ace for another 70K miles or so . . .
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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:23 PM

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when have we taken 4 or 5 years to rebuild? HDN won 10 4 times was the coach for 10 years, Bobby won 10 twice and was only the coach for 4 years and Bielema just took over his first year was last year. Pelphery went to the the NCAA tourney and he was only the coach for 4 years same with Heath, Anderson will start his 3 year this year and I would be willing to bet we make the NCAA if not the final 8 or sweet 16. The students are your future just like we where the future and yes that statement alone makes you jaded.

Posted: 6/3/2014 9:43 PM

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HDN won 10 games once in 10 years, Anderson will be in year four, Heath was the coach for five years.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:46 PM

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hawg66 wrote: The students are the only reason Arkansas had a home crowd at Bud Walton for years.

The AD's job is to raise money and hire coaches, basically.  Long has done very well at both.  My expectations are to see a team that competes in the SEC for wins and titles.  Too early to judge Bielema, one way or the other.  I do think Mike Anderson has the basketball program on the upswing. I agree Mike has BB team on upswing.   Do you think he is building for top 20 national type teams or just teams that can compete in the SEC?

I don't think we should blindly support the school, but blind support is 100 times better than blind hatred, which seems to be getting all too common.

Posted: 6/4/2014 7:52 AM

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If it wasn't for Heath's players staying, Pelphrey wouldn't have made the dance. If all of Pel's guys would have stayed when CMA first arrived we would have at least went NIT his first year.

As for CMA: his coaching record so far is as follows, 2nd year at UAB (Sweet 16), 3rd year at Missery (Elite Eight). Being his fourth year here I expect a Final Four. However with his past two stops, after his best year he started a decline. Enjoy this year.

I agree with you about the students.


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when have we taken 4 or 5 years to rebuild? HDN won 10 4 times was the coach for 10 years, Bobby won 10 twice and was only the coach for 4 years and Bielema just took over his first year was last year. Pelphery went to the the NCAA tourney and he was only the coach for 4 years same with Heath, Anderson will start his 3 year this year and I would be willing to bet we make the NCAA if not the final 8 or sweet 16. The students are your future just like we where the future and yes that statement alone makes you jaded.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 8:11 AM

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nwahogfan1 wrote:
hawg66 wrote: The students are the only reason Arkansas had a home crowd at Bud Walton for years.

The AD's job is to raise money and hire coaches, basically.  Long has done very well at both.  My expectations are to see a team that competes in the SEC for wins and titles.  Too early to judge Bielema, one way or the other.  I do think Mike Anderson has the basketball program on the upswing. I agree Mike has BB team on upswing.   Do you think he is building for top 20 national type teams or just teams that can compete in the SEC?

I don't think we should blindly support the school, but blind support is 100 times better than blind hatred, which seems to be getting all too common.
I think he'll have Arkansas back as a perennial top 20 program and an NCAA tourney regular.  Beyond that is a crapshoot, for almost any school.

Posted: 6/4/2014 9:20 AM

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hawgjaws wrote: 1.  What are the expectations of a Razorback fan?  We are being asked to continually pay higher prices for inferior teams.  We are being told to continue to be patient.  One of the radio shows this morning said it could be another 6 years before we are really competitive?

I expect us to compete and get better until we win a NC period and all of the programs are doing just that. This years Basketball team will be the best we have put on the floor in almost 20 years. The baseball team will be loaded as well. The football team has a bigger hole to dig out of but this years recruiting class looks to be the best in recent memory maybe ever! an I think we go bowling this year!


2.  How do we judge the success of the AD.  Baseball is OK but Van Horn was here when Long came.  Track is track and lets be honest everyone gets a short liv!ed excitement when they win a championship but do they realy follow.  Example - Name 5 current track athletes!

Again - not a hater i will always support but should we continually follow blindly with our suport both financial and presence as the talk shows seem to suggest.

NW AR recently has reached the half million population.  We should realize that part of this is the relocation of a lot of people from other parts of the country that do not and have not been Razorback fans.  We certainly have not put teams on the field to win them over.

We just went to a Sugar bowl what 4 years ago and Cotton Bowl 3 years ago, just knocked out of the regional in Baseball and loading up for next year.  Basketball NIT and looks very good this year for the NCAA.  Like you said that doesn't even count track so you need to review a bit.  Worth complaining about?


3.  If UA wants to continue to blast music over the PA before both footbal and basketball to please the students maybe they should rely on the students for financial support.  In my years of following the hogs the students are above all, most fickle.

Enthusiasm sales and the student provide that plus their your future. They will be the ones that sale the program and add the excitement. Let's face it when they show a game on TV they don't show us old folks clapping they show kids jumping up and down. 

I don't think your a hater just letting a few down years jade your view. There are about 200 schools that would love to have our down years. 




Throwback uniforms-make it happen, Long!

Posted: 6/4/2014 9:21 AM

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I couldn't disagree more.  The students have been camping out for football games for 5 years now.  They show up hours and hour before even non-conference games to get the good seats.
Throwback uniforms-make it happen, Long!
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:40 AM

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The point is both Pel and Heath went to the NCAA in under 4  actually Heath went twice 4th and 5th year. HDN didonly win 10 once but won 9 4 time was thinking that did not count the bowl games but he did go to 3 Cotton bowls and a Capital one Bowl the point was there was no rebuilding for 5 years!  Mike is starting his 4 season this coming season.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 9:42 AM

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You can have an opinion either way but the fact is there was no 5 year rebuilding.
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