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Evans signing

Posted: 2/8/2013 8:41 AM

Evans signing 


I'm sure the kid is good. but maybe he is insurance for the AC ordeal. thoughts?
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:22 AM

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Only coach B can answer that question but we did lose three tailbacks after this season and you need more that one new body.  Hope Evans and Collins are both great, run Hogs run.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:40 AM

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Am I remembering correctly that he excels on the defensive side of the ball, too? Just can't remember at this point. I don't think he was merely insurance, though, cuz CBB just flat out told a couple recruits that if X player doesn't come, we'll give you an offer.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:22 AM

CBB said he planned to sign two RB's this class all along 


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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:39 AM

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No the physical style that Coach Bielema likes to run requires at least 2 backs if not more. If he is successful at running the ball he will not throw it is what I am reading. He will make you stop him from running.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 12:42 PM

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hawgjaws wrote: No the physical style that Coach Bielema likes to run requires at least 2 backs if not more. If he is successful at running the ball he will not throw it is what I am reading. He will make you stop him from running.
That might be overstating Bielema's position  just a little bit, but I believe that he thinks a team that can get 500 yeards of offense in a game and only throw 10 times is a good thing.

I posted this about Evans the other day.  The first few plays show what he can do defensively, but he looks pretty darn good at running back.  His size is impressive, and his high school competes at a high level.

I believe he was recruited first and foremost to replenish our stable of running backs.  If the opportunity arises for him to play another positition, he has the strength and size to do well.  This was an EXCELLENT get by Arkansas.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:05 PM

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NostraHOGus wrote:
hawgjaws wrote: No the physical style that Coach Bielema likes to run requires at least 2 backs if not more. If he is successful at running the ball he will not throw it is what I am reading. He will make you stop him from running.
That might be overstating Bielema's position  just a little bit, but I believe that he thinks a team that can get 500 yeards of offense in a game and only throw 10 times is a good thing.

I posted this about Evans the other day.  The first few plays show what he can do defensively, but he looks pretty darn good at running back.  His size is impressive, and his high school competes at a high level.

I believe he was recruited first and foremost to replenish our stable of running backs.  If the opportunity arises for him to play another positition, he has the strength and size to do well.  This was an EXCELLENT get by Arkansas.

Agreed. And I remember CBB saying he wouldn't be afraid to open it up a tad more with the speed he thinks he'll be able to get at the skill positions at an SEC school like Arkansas. That was way back in December and I can't even begin to guess when he said that, perhaps someone else remembers? I don't think it was his presser, maybe an ESPiN interview or something like that.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:47 PM

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Also, if we had been planning to go even heavier on the run than he did at Whisky (They definitely threw more than 10 a game, more like 20+ attempts per game), then I just don't believe he would have hired Chaney. I sort of feel the 60 rushes-10 passes was the Alvarez strategy, 50 rushes-20 passes with Russell Wilson was CBB straining at the leash. It's going to be an interesting ride, I think.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:56 PM

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I woudl like 45-25 better that would be a ruff time of possesion of 26:25 for rushing plays and 4:16 for passing plays giving us a TOP of 30:41 give or take 5 to 10 minutes a game. All that means is we have to get better D play to make that TOP mean something.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 2:02 PM

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maybe but rest assure if we are ripping 4 and 5 yards a carry off the ball is not going into the air until we spike if for a TD.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 2:08 PM

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hawgjaws wrote: maybe but rest assure if we are ripping 4 and 5 yards a carry off the ball is not going into the air until we spike if for a TD.

I could live with that biggrin
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Posted: 2/8/2013 2:14 PM

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And CBB/Chaney might well end up at about that ratio. There are obviously contradictions that will only be clarified with time, but I think a) both CBB and Long noted that you can't put a physical D on the field if you don't practice against a physical rushing offense. I think we're clearly going to try to install this first (CBP wanted a physical run game, but he always worked on the passing game first). b) As I implied, CBB's passing ratio climbed in his last few years at Whisky, but it seems balance for him was NOT necessarily more passing plays, but rather equivalent yardage from both the rushing and passing plays. I think his last three Whisky teams were pretty balanced in terms of yardage, and the ypa on passing plays was, at times, very good. High percentage of completions AND downfield throws and catches - a pretty good combination. c). Having Chaney as OC (and a few of CBB's comments regarding using speed athletes) really seems to me that he's going to open up things more than he did at Whisky (under Alvarez's watchful eye). I have to believe, however, that the physical rushing game is going to be installed first, and Evans may be the best Tailback we will have to do that (unless Kody Walker drops enough weight to regain some speed, quickness, agility).

While we're wishing, how about 50-30?

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I woudl like 45-25 better that would be a ruff time of possesion of 26:25 for rushing plays and 4:16 for passing plays giving us a TOP of 30:41 give or take 5 to 10 minutes a game. All that means is we have to get better D play to make that TOP mean something.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 3:38 PM

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I believe you are thinking about Korliss Marshall, from Osceola. He is expected to play on defense, safety I think. Evans is a power back, between the tackles. Collins is a speed back.
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Am I remembering correctly that he excels on the defensive side of the ball, too? Just can't remember at this point. I don't think he was merely insurance, though, cuz CBB just flat out told a couple recruits that if X player doesn't come, we'll give you an offer.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 3:46 PM

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See the video referenced in a post above. Evans was definitely a standout on both sides of the ball. Korliss, too, but also Evans. Normal for High School standouts.

bocephus5 wrote:
I believe you are thinking about Korliss Marshall, from Osceola. He is expected to play on defense, safety I think. Evans is a power back, between the tackles. Collins is a speed back.
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Am I remembering correctly that he excels on the defensive side of the ball, too? Just can't remember at this point. I don't think he was merely insurance, though, cuz CBB just flat out told a couple recruits that if X player doesn't come, we'll give you an offer.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 4:14 PM

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Agree he won't run a 3 yard and a cloud of dust offense but I still think if where winning and running it down folks throat we will do so.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 4:16 PM

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Gotcha, just feeding you a little info from people in the know, and I don't mean me.

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See the video referenced in a post above. Evans was definitely a standout on both sides of the ball. Korliss, too, but also Evans. Normal for High School standouts.

bocephus5 wrote:
I believe you are thinking about Korliss Marshall, from Osceola. He is expected to play on defense, safety I think. Evans is a power back, between the tackles. Collins is a speed back.
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--- FoxMan2099 wrote:

Am I remembering correctly that he excels on the defensive side of the ball, too? Just can't remember at this point. I don't think he was merely insurance, though, cuz CBB just flat out told a couple recruits that if X player doesn't come, we'll give you an offer.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 8:10 PM

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I can remember when Nutt was the coach folks called for his head because we ran it 9 out of 10 times but now it is ok because we have a different coach? We had 3 of the best backs in the country and still couldn't win. Coach BP had the right idea with a balanced attack. If you can't keep them honest with the long ball or at least the threat of it they will stack the line of scrimmage and stop you. Look at Texas AM's stats.... 4114 passing and 3147 rushing. I honestly believe they at the end of the year were the best team in the SEC and would have had a much better shot of beating Bama again in the NC game. I am all for lining up and whipping them at the line of scrimmage but this is the sec.. everyone has great big buys on the line. The difference is how deep you can go at every position. I am hoping Chaney will be able to duplicate coach BP's ability to move the ball all over the field. Very excited about this year!!!
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:02 PM

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WhooPigSooie wrote: I can remember when Nutt was the coach folks called for his head because we ran it 9 out of 10 times but now it is ok because we have a different coach? We had 3 of the best backs in the country and still couldn't win. Coach BP had the right idea with a balanced attack. If you can't keep them honest with the long ball or at least the threat of it they will stack the line of scrimmage and stop you. Look at Texas AM's stats.... 4114 passing and 3147 rushing. I honestly believe they at the end of the year were the best team in the SEC and would have had a much better shot of beating Bama again in the NC game. I am all for lining up and whipping them at the line of scrimmage but this is the sec.. everyone has great big buys on the line. The difference is how deep you can go at every position. I am hoping Chaney will be able to duplicate coach BP's ability to move the ball all over the field. Very excited about this year!!!
Running the ball is fine but to keep pounding it inside when there are no holes to run thru, that is just plain hard-headed in my opinion; especially when everyone in the stadium knows what the next play is before it's run !  Wearing the opponent down is great but pounding your own head against the wall seems like the ludicrous method of accomplishing that end.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 12:55 AM

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Petrino's offense was anything but balanced.  The balance of an offense should be judged by output instead of attempts.  In terms of attempts, Petrino's offenses were actually pretty balanced:

2011
Season Attempts P/R 471/412
Average Yards per Game P/R 300/137

2010
SeasonAttempts P/R 465/421
Average Yards Per Game P/R 333/148 

2009
SeasonAttempts P/R 435/395
Average Yards Per Game P/R 295/89

As you can see, however, our rushing output averaged about 29% of our total offense.
The most telling statistic for me in assessing whether we had peaked under Petrino is the stat line for our rushing attack against Alabama for the last five years. (I know some get defensive when I discuss our efforts against the behemoth Crimson Tide, but like it or not, Alabama is the standard by which we are judged in the SEC West).

The following numbers include our total rushing output against the Tide during the five year Petrino era (I include this year because it actually helps a little in terms of yards per game).

133 Total Number of Carries
294 Total Number of Yards
26.6 carries per game
59 yds per game
2.2 yards per carry
0 Rushing touchdowns

I believe that these numbers demonstrate a fatal flaw in Petrino's approach to competing against the elite teams in our division.

By the way, any team that runs the ball will have a certain number of plays where the yardage gained is minimal.  Sometimes, the defense simply gets it right.  Other times, plays are run with full knowledge that the gain will be minimal, but other factors (such as running time off the clock, keeping the defense honest, or pounding the life out of the opposition) make these smart play calls.

A little more sophistication in these areas will be welcome.  I just hope the fans can keep up.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 3:11 AM

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I'm with ya Nostra...
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