The more I watch Mickelson on the court, the less impressed I am with his play. He is a soft inside player who is always being pushed around . He spends way too much time around the three point line both offensively and defensively. He mades average inside players look like All-SEC players. If both of the new bigs coming in next year are as good as advertised, Mickelson will spend alot of time on the bench the next two years.No way was he a four star.

Mickelson is a forward not a center not accustomed to all the time in the paint.

He is an enigma.

True, but his coordination is more like a center!

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Mickelson is a forward not a center not accustomed to all the time in the paint.

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He can be an enigma, a parable, a simule or a metaphor. I don't care what he is as long as starts scoring more and rebounding more.

I think everyone agreed last year that until we get a big man in the middle, he was gonna be it and that we would have to be patient.

I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

Agree he wasn't recruited for this type of offense.

firestroud wrote: I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

Yeah, let him go to Butler, with your other favorite player.

firestroud wrote: I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

That said, Mickelson still has tremendous upside.  He is playing out of position.

40MOH wrote:

firestroud wrote: I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

Yeah, let him go to Butler, with your other favorite player.

 Hate much? Root against Rotnei? Wonder why Mickelson don't click in our "system"? What's your problem? Do you have a point other than snark?

NostraHOGus wrote:

firestroud wrote: I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

I agree, average players without a lot of athletic ability do much better in Butler's system.  Look at Rotnei....

That said, Mickelson still has tremendous upside.  He is playing out of position.

 A lot of great players played for Guy V Lewis, but lost to players that played in positions coached by better coaches. As long as the lines and basket height stays the same, I reckon the better coached team stands the better chance.

firestroud wrote:

40MOH wrote:

firestroud wrote: I feel he would have benefitted better from almost any other "system", were he allowed to thrive in one.  Maybe Butler.

Yeah, let him go to Butler, with your other favorite player.

 Hate much? Root against Rotnei? Wonder why Mickelson don't click in our "system"? What's your problem? Do you have a point other than snark?

Do you have a point?  I like Rotnei....and Butler.  But I don't follow their every exploit.  You're the hater; stop trying to flip the script.

Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

Dubs42 wrote: Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

This is really Hunter's problem.  He's not built to bang.  It's not his game to play his back to the basket.  He really shouldn't be in the post.  He has the size to be, but the game style of a three.  Unfortunately, he's not fast enough to guard 3's.  That said, he's improved in his post game this season from last. 

The rest of us this is not in response to Dubs, but others in the thread:

In many ways, he reminds me of Steven Hill.  He's better in help defense than on his man.  Though, he's not quite the shot blocker, Hill was.  But other than that, like Hill, he's going to get you 6-8 points a game and about 4-6 rebounds a game, although Hill actually seemed more like to get you 3-5 a game.  Mickleson is actually a better rebounder than Hill. 

We need to remember the kid is just a sophomore.  He's improving.  He's also busting his butt out there.  If you can't appreciate that, that seems more like your problem than his.

bocephus5 wrote: True, but his coordination is more like a center!

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Mickelson is a forward not a center not accustomed to all the time in the paint.

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Michelson can shoot the ball with accuracy and he does have the ability to drive to create his own shot; he did it just the other night where he caught the interior pass, spun down the lane and layed the ball in the basket.  He may not be a glider but he's nothing compared to some of the laziness (D. Abron) we've had, in fact we had one that is now at TCU; he at least adds value and will add more when able to play his natural position.

Bro, I agree about the not having the speed to guard the 3, Williams however does, which is why I said let him play that position next year. As for HM, I think moving him to the 4 with Portis or Kingsley at the five will elevate his game.

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Dubs42 wrote: Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

This is really Hunter's problem.  He's not built to bang.  It's not his game to play his back to the basket.  He really shouldn't be in the post.  He has the size to be, but the game style of a three.  Unfortunately, he's not fast enough to guard 3's.  That said, he's improved in his post game this season from last. 

The rest of us this is not in response to Dubs, but others in the thread:

In many ways, he reminds me of Steven Hill.  He's better in help defense than on his man.  Though, he's not quite the shot blocker, Hill was.  But other than that, like Hill, he's going to get you 6-8 points a game and about 4-6 rebounds a game, although Hill actually seemed more like to get you 3-5 a game.  Mickleson is actually a better rebounder than Hill. 

We need to remember the kid is just a sophomore.  He's improving.  He's also busting his butt out there.  If you can't appreciate that, that seems more like your problem than his.

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broeric wrote:

Dubs42 wrote: Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

This is really Hunter's problem.  He's not built to bang.  It's not his game to play his back to the basket.  He really shouldn't be in the post.  He has the size to be, but the game style of a three.  Unfortunately, he's not fast enough to guard 3's.  That said, he's improved in his post game this season from last. 

The rest of us this is not in response to Dubs, but others in the thread:

In many ways, he reminds me of Steven Hill.  He's better in help defense than on his man.  Though, he's not quite the shot blocker, Hill was.  But other than that, like Hill, he's going to get you 6-8 points a game and about 4-6 rebounds a game, although Hill actually seemed more like to get you 3-5 a game.  Mickleson is actually a better rebounder than Hill. 

We need to remember the kid is just a sophomore.  He's improving.  He's also busting his butt out there.  If you can't appreciate that, that seems more like your problem than his.

Thank you.

Mickelson is simply not a post player.  The weight he has gained is not good weight.  What he needs is lower body strength.  He does not have that now.  He needs to work on that in the off season. Stronger more seasoned post players eat his lunch. I think he should drop 20 pounds.  He would be much more effective if he played the way he did in high school which was constant hustle, free lancing and outside shooting.  He has been forced to play the post simply because of his height and that has affected his shot.  He shoots a fade away that results in a very flat shot.  He never did this in high school.

The idea that he is soft or not trying is false.  He is a square peg in a round hole and none of that is his doing.

And all of this coming from one of the sharpest critics of this team.

MudvilleSwine wrote:

broeric wrote:

Dubs42 wrote: Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

This is really Hunter's problem.  He's not built to bang.  It's not his game to play his back to the basket.  He really shouldn't be in the post.  He has the size to be, but the game style of a three.  Unfortunately, he's not fast enough to guard 3's.  That said, he's improved in his post game this season from last. 

The rest of us this is not in response to Dubs, but others in the thread:

In many ways, he reminds me of Steven Hill.  He's better in help defense than on his man.  Though, he's not quite the shot blocker, Hill was.  But other than that, like Hill, he's going to get you 6-8 points a game and about 4-6 rebounds a game, although Hill actually seemed more like to get you 3-5 a game.  Mickleson is actually a better rebounder than Hill. 

We need to remember the kid is just a sophomore.  He's improving.  He's also busting his butt out there.  If you can't appreciate that, that seems more like your problem than his.

Thank you.

Mickelson is simply not a post player.  The weight he has gained is not good weight.  What he needs is lower body strength.  He does not have that now.  He needs to work on that in the off season. Stronger more seasoned post players eat his lunch. I think he should drop 20 pounds.  He would be much more effective if he played the way he did in high school which was constant hustle, free lancing and outside shooting.  He has been forced to play the post simply because of his height and that has affected his shot.  He shoots a fade away that results in a very flat shot.  He never did this in high school.

The idea that he is soft or not trying is false.  He is a square peg in a round hole and none of that is his doing.

And all of this coming from one of the sharpest critics of this team.

I was not aware of the type of player Hunter was in H.S. so I appreciate your info on that; at least he's not like a Vincent "Stone Hands" Hunter was; that guy was worthless on the court.

...Finally...You can't pack 50 pounds on and play a position you weren't groomed for...I doubt J. Williams would be as quick with 50 extra pounds either...

MudvilleSwine wrote:

broeric wrote:

Dubs42 wrote: Think about next season with Portis and Kingsley. Imagine putting Hunter at the 3 during portions of the game. Run a 2-3 zone with Hunter, Moses, and Portis on the back end of the zone!!! Talk about length and size!

This is really Hunter's problem.  He's not built to bang.  It's not his game to play his back to the basket.  He really shouldn't be in the post.  He has the size to be, but the game style of a three.  Unfortunately, he's not fast enough to guard 3's.  That said, he's improved in his post game this season from last. 

The rest of us this is not in response to Dubs, but others in the thread:

In many ways, he reminds me of Steven Hill.  He's better in help defense than on his man.  Though, he's not quite the shot blocker, Hill was.  But other than that, like Hill, he's going to get you 6-8 points a game and about 4-6 rebounds a game, although Hill actually seemed more like to get you 3-5 a game.  Mickleson is actually a better rebounder than Hill. 

We need to remember the kid is just a sophomore.  He's improving.  He's also busting his butt out there.  If you can't appreciate that, that seems more like your problem than his.

Thank you.

Mickelson is simply not a post player.  The weight he has gained is not good weight.  What he needs is lower body strength.  He does not have that now.  He needs to work on that in the off season. Stronger more seasoned post players eat his lunch. I think he should drop 20 pounds.  He would be much more effective if he played the way he did in high school which was constant hustle, free lancing and outside shooting.  He has been forced to play the post simply because of his height and that has affected his shot.  He shoots a fade away that results in a very flat shot.  He never did this in high school.

The idea that he is soft or not trying is false.  He is a square peg in a round hole and none of that is his doing.

And all of this coming from one of the sharpest critics of this team.

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