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BREAKING: Oral Roberts BACK to Summit League

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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:20 PM

BREAKING: Oral Roberts BACK to Summit League 


BREAKING: Oral Roberts will return to the Summit League starting July 1, 2014

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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:22 PM

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ELMHURST, Ill. – The Summit League announced the addition of Oral Roberts University as its ninth full-time member Thursday. ORU’s membership officially begins July 1, 2014, and all 16 Golden Eagle athletics programs will compete in The Summit League starting with the 2014-15 academic year.

“We are excited to have Oral Roberts University join The Summit League for the 2014-15 season,” said Summit League Commissioner Tom Douple. “ORU brings very strong and well-rounded athletic and academic programs to our league.”

“The Presidents Council unanimously supported Oral Roberts University’s return to The Summit League,” said Dr. Dean L. Bresciani, North Dakota State University President and Chair of The Summit League’s Presidents Council. “It is an indication of the enthusiasm the council has for the opportunity to enhance our membership.”

“ORU is excited about returning to The Summit League and its distinguished member institutions,” said Oral Roberts University Director of Athletics Mike Carter. “We look forward to renewing the rivalries we developed during our 15 years in the conference and to continuing the proud tradition of The Summit League.”

ORU was a member of The Summit League from 1997-2012 and has continued to compete as an affiliate member in men’s soccer each of the past two years. During its 15 years in the league, the Golden Eagles won nine Commissioner Cups, awarded to the league’s top overall athletics program, 91 league championships and 49 regular season crowns.

The ORU men’s basketball program captured three consecutive Summit League Tournament titles from 2006-08 and won or shared six regular season championships. The Golden Eagles won 15 consecutive Summit League women’s golf championships and 15 straight baseball tournament championships, the top two team streaks in league history.

A pair of ORU athletes combined to win three individual NCAA Track and Field Championships for The Summit League over the past decade. In 2008, Andretti Bain won both the Indoor and Outdoor 400-meter Championships. Four years later, Jack Whitt won the NCAA Outdoor Pole Vault Championship.

Founded in 1963, Oral Roberts University has an enrollment of 3,403 and offers more than 60 undergraduate majors, as well as 13 master's-level programs and two doctoral degrees. Based in Tulsa, Okla., ORU becomes the fourth Summit League institution located in top 60 U.S. metro populations.

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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:38 PM

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What the hell?

So.....
Why'd they leave in the first place?

Anyway, there goes the raid the summit after the Big East dominos fall strategerey.  The WAC is still safe for now, even if one school left (which doesn't seem imminent at all) the WAC could invite NJIT to meet numbers if they have to.

WWU, Metro State, UAA, one of those schools down the line.  And I still think APU is a realistic possibility in a few years.  Maybe some school in Tejas we've never heard of?

Wonder if raiding the SLC is realistic?  Kind of doubt it.  Who are the basketball onlys besides New Orleans in that league?

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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:41 PM

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I think ORU was spooked by realignment and realized the Summit was vulnerable. Now that things have settled down, who knows. Still don't see why they came back. I can't imagine playing the Dakotas is all that attractive.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:51 PM

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CPSLOGRAD wrote: What the hell?

So.....
Why'd they leave in the first place?

Anyway, there goes the raid the summit after the Big East dominos fall strategerey.  The WAC is still safe for now, even if one school left (which doesn't seem imminent at all) the WAC could invite NJIT to meet numbers if they have to.

WWU, Metro State, UAA, one of those schools down the line.  And I still think APU is a realistic possibility in a few years.  Maybe some school in Tejas we've never heard of?

Wonder if raiding the SLC is realistic?  Kind of doubt it.  Who are the basketball onlys besides New Orleans in that league?
You want your school to travel all the way out to NJ every year, if we invite NJIT? I see D2 invites before them.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 6:51 PM

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spartypants wrote: I think ORU was spooked by realignment and realized the Summit was vulnerable. Now that things have settled down, who knows. Still don't see why they came back. I can't imagine playing the Dakotas is all that attractive.
Weird.  The whole thing's been weird.  DU moving to the Summit on the timeframe it did made no economic sense, and UMKC moving to the WAC didn't make any sense.

ORU leaving the Summit for the SLC didn't really make sense.  And ORU going back to the Summit doesn't really make any sense.

Rearranging the chairs on the deck.

One possibility for the WAC might be TAMU CC.  Them and UNO are the only basketball onlys left in the SLC.

Nothing says sexy like TAMU-CC either.

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Posted: 12/5/2013 7:49 PM

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I think we should go after TAMU-CC. UNO too if they don't start up football.

The Islanders have a nice arena. They play baseball too, not sure about soccer.
Seattle U - WAC 2012-13!
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Posted: 12/5/2013 8:27 PM

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Me too. But the nice thing about NJIT being out there is that there is an emergency option. The D2s have to go through transition and don't count for a couple years.


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CPSLOGRAD wrote: What the hell?

So.....
Why'd they leave in the first place?

Anyway, there goes the raid the summit after the Big East dominos fall strategerey.  The WAC is still safe for now, even if one school left (which doesn't seem imminent at all) the WAC could invite NJIT to meet numbers if they have to.

WWU, Metro State, UAA, one of those schools down the line.  And I still think APU is a realistic possibility in a few years.  Maybe some school in Tejas we've never heard of?

Wonder if raiding the SLC is realistic?  Kind of doubt it.  Who are the basketball onlys besides New Orleans in that league?
You want your school to travel all the way out to NJ every year, if we invite NJIT? I see D2 invites before them.

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Posted: 12/5/2013 8:39 PM

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This seems weird but the SLC fancys itself as a football conference. Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word were added because they played it. Houston Baptist got an invite only after they started a program, and New Orleans has promised to start one.

Maybe the future of the league is more football schools. I heard a rumor awhile back that Tarleton State (d2 outside of Ft Worth) might be on deck for the move up. Maybe they are pushing out the basketball schools. Corpus could be open and travel partner for UTPA
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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:12 AM

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NJIT is started lax, which is a pretext to joining America East.   NJIT will have an invite shortly. 

The Summit has to be concerned about the Summit and Southland poaching teams:  if NMSU leaves or UTPA or UMKC leave, its all over.  There isn't enough time for a DII.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:41 AM

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overly dramatic. You always think the summit or wac is "about to die" like the elf in Gauntlet. I'll believe it when I see it.
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NJIT is started lax, which is a pretext to joining America East.   NJIT will have an invite shortly. 

The Summit has to be concerned about the Summit and Southland poaching teams:  if NMSU leaves or UTPA or UMKC leave, its all over.  There isn't enough time for a DII.

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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:57 AM

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SO ORU didn't get entrance and exit paid by the Summit?
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overly dramatic. You always think the summit or wac is "about to die" like the elf in Gauntlet. I'll believe it when I see it.
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NJIT is started lax, which is a pretext to joining America East.   NJIT will have an invite shortly. 

The Summit has to be concerned about the Summit and Southland poaching teams:  if NMSU leaves or UTPA or UMKC leave, its all over.  There isn't enough time for a DII.

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Posted: 12/6/2013 1:43 AM

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ORU's return probably keeps Denver from coming back to the WAC.  But is it enough to keep the WAC from poaching Nebraska-Omaha?
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Posted: 12/6/2013 2:46 AM

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This seems weird but the SLC fancys itself as a football conference. Abilene Christian, Incarnate Word were added because they played it. Houston Baptist got an invite only after they started a program, and New Orleans has promised to start one.

Maybe the future of the league is more football schools. I heard a rumor awhile back that Tarleton State (d2 outside of Ft Worth) might be on deck for the move up. Maybe they are pushing out the basketball schools. Corpus could be open and travel partner for UTPA

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I don't think it sounds weird at all. The Southland is a "football conference", and non-football schools are almost always at odds with the overall direction, goals and agendas. It's why the Big East broke up, the Missouri Valley is actually seperate conferences, and you see many schools become major outliers instead of joining a conference with multiple regional rivals (though many times its because they simply aren't wanted).

The Summitt has multiple football playing members, but they do so in another conference. This allows the Summitt to focus its efforts and promotions towards basketball, soccer and baseball, the sports ORU places importance on. I'm willing to guess they felt almost second-tier not being a football member. I agree they probably left due to the pending instability, and fear of further conference departures. Now that things have stabilized, and the Summitt appears to have survived, and they were able to return to a conference containing members the are more familiar with and have more in common with.

My initial reaction to this announcement was fear for potential future WAC departures, but I think it was just a knee-jerk one. Omaha could still be in play, but I doubt it. I like the idea of TAM-CC, and I think there are several DII cantidates the WAC could pursue. But any talk of WAC expansion is nothing but fan speculation. With this conference, expect the unexpected.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 7:53 AM

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Unfortunately I think this is a big win for the Summit and a big blow to the WAC. It pretty much eliminates the possibility of the WAC prying loose any more Summit members, and could even put the WAC at risk of losing UTPA if the Southland decides to backfill for ORU and is willing to pair TAMU-CC with another non-football school.

Under the circumstances the WAC had better take a hard look at adding more D-2 move-ups, if any (UAA? Metro State?) are willing to come.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 10:27 AM

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SLC does not want UTPA. They will remain in the WAC until they are successful. Bringing in TAMUCC should be the WAC's #1 priority.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 11:31 AM

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SLC does not want UTPA. They will remain in the WAC until they are successful. Bringing in TAMUCC should be the WAC's #1 priority.

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We shall see. Keep in mind that UTPA won't be UTPA much longer. It will be merged with UT Brownsville, given a new "South Texas" brand (the specific name is still to be determined), and funded to build a new medical school. An initial check from the Permanent University Fund, for $196 million, was just presented to the presidents of UTPA and UT Brownsville last month:

www.utsystem.edu/news/2013/11/...ity-south-texas

The newly-combined university and medical school, with its enhanced supply of PUF cash, will serve a Rio Grande Valley metro area of over a million people.

IMHO the SLC will view this neo-UTPA as a much more attractive addition than the UTPA of old, even without football. And given a choice, I think neo-UTPA would leave the WAC for the SLC without hesitation, preferring easy travel and regional rivals to the brand equity the WAC offers. That doesn't bode well for the WAC landing TAMU-CC.
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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:09 PM

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This might be the start of something big. Denver President stated when UMKC left the Summit that the WAC was in talks with merging with one or two conferences. The WAC is the only option for FCS schools to move up. Their are a lot of talk about fcs schools moving up together. I do not think it will be any merging. I think if this happens it will be trading schools among the conferences. I know their a lot of people on this board do not like me. Get over it. I am just looking at this realingnment at a different view. I hate all of this realingnment but in a way it is kind of fun talking about it.

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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:25 PM

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HawaiiMongoose wrote:

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SLC does not want UTPA. They will remain in the WAC until they are successful. Bringing in TAMUCC should be the WAC's #1 priority.

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We shall see. Keep in mind that UTPA won't be UTPA much longer. It will be merged with UT Brownsville, given a new "South Texas" brand (the specific name is still to be determined), and funded to build a new medical school. An initial check from the Permanent University Fund, for $196 million, was just presented to the presidents of UTPA and UT Brownsville last month:

www.utsystem.edu/news/2013/11/...ity-south-texas

The newly-combined university and medical school, with its enhanced supply of PUF cash, will serve a Rio Grande Valley metro area of over a million people.

IMHO the SLC will view this neo-UTPA as a much more attractive addition than the UTPA of old, even without football. And given a choice, I think neo-UTPA would leave the WAC for the SLC without hesitation, preferring easy travel and regional rivals to the brand equity the WAC offers. That doesn't bode well for the WAC landing TAMU-CC.
As the others have mentioned, the SLC is seeking to become a premier football conference in the FCS. From an outsider perspective, who could blame them? Football is king in Texas, and the Southland passed over a local and stable UTPA for a mess of a school (in sports, academics and finances) in the University of New Orleans. The only reason? Football. Unless the new UT school starts football, they will not be on the radar for the SLC.

What the WAC needs to do is be calling TAMU-CC daily. Give them a sweetheart deal similar to Kansas City. As CC has only been in the Southland for five years or so, they shouldn't have too many rivalries entrenched in the SLC, so I don't see too many alumni throwing a fit in moving to the WAC. Since the SLC is rather bloated, call them. They may be willing to let them go with a simple forfeiture of media dollars for the year.

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Posted: 12/6/2013 12:35 PM

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I don't think ORU leaving the SLC makes UTPA to the SLC any more likely either.

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